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billy the kid
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Posted: 15th May 2005 07:42 Edited at: 15th May 2005 07:44
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Is there a need to post on this forum? Is there a need to make games? Is there a need to buy fast food? Is there a need to live?

I could go on forever. The answer to all those questions is NO! But that doesnt mean there isnt a market for this stuff. And yes XBox 360 is light years ahead of all the currently available consoles. Its more powerful than top of the line desktops, well supposedly. However that doesnt make the current consoles obsolete. The original Nintendo is still the best console in my opinion.

In the end, the real question is if you need the next wave of consoles.
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I agree with Billy. MS will apparently keep supporting the original Xbox until 2007 (hard to believe though)


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Posted: 15th May 2005 07:51 Edited at: 15th May 2005 07:51
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Excuse me, you agree with me? LOL!
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Only because the X-Box 360 isn't 100%-Compatible. So they're covering thier bases.

Guess that's more than can be said for Sony and thier Playstation 2.
I still have to get my PSOne out everytime I want to play FF7/8.. as the PS2 will randomly screw up graphics.

I also don't see many gamers switching right away. So why force people to upgrade when you can regain ground with your old user-base.
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Posted: 15th May 2005 08:09 Edited at: 15th May 2005 08:12
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Actually XNA is compatible both with PCs, XBox 360 and possibly XBox. Thats the major selling point of XNA. So any PC game made with XNA will automatically work on XBox 360 too, or should. Pretty slick huh?
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Billy the Kid, let me explain what I mean further.

I'm not saying "There is no need for a new system" in the same way that we "need to eat" or "need to post on this forum".

I love video games as much as the next guy on this forum. We all love games here, no doubt about it.

But it seems to me that people are all pretty excited by this "Hype" that Microsoft is creating with a new system. I'm not excited at all.

The market is completely saturated with video games and consoles right now.

I think it would be better for the markets to let the current systems live by themselves for a few more years. For instance, programmers are still finding new ways to push the limits of the PS2, and it's been out for almost five years now. And I seriously doubt that the current XBox has been pushed to its full potential yet.

It seems to me to be a real waste to just "move on to something new" when there is still a lot of potential for the current consoles to do what they were intented to do, which is to make fantastic video games.

I'd like them to make new consoles in perhaps 3-5 years from now. By then, technology will be more advanced, and the world will really thirsty for new video game technology.

Are they really thirsty today for new video game technology? No. There is still much more to be gotten out of the current consoles.
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What I think they should do, instead of putting out new systems every year and bringing up the hype and only having really one or two good games (X-box) is bring out a console that you can program, or for people who dont want to program, a simple drag and drop system, now wouldant that be fun, because the only thing wrong with a pc is all of the crap you need to run a simple game on it.

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Yea, but IMO I'd rather be playing 10x better graphics NOW, and then 10x better graphics again in 5 more years, than playing 20x better graphics in 10 years. The same consoles are not going to get a whole lot better graphically, and can't do NEAR as much as the the next gen consoles.

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That would be great to play on a system this year that has 10x better graphics!

But alas ... If you take a screen shot of the best XBox game and compare it to the best XBox 360 game, graphically they would be similar.

There would not be a 10x better difference between the two. There probably wouldn't even be a 2x difference between the two.

Yes, the new 360 is more powerful, but the current XBox already has what it takes to make breath-taking graphics and unreal visual effects.
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Quote: "But alas ... If you take a screen shot of the best XBox game and compare it to the best XBox 360 game, graphically they would be similar."


Guess we've been looking at difference screens of games. Cause from where I've been sitting the last 4years the X-Box graphics can't even live up to the GameCube. Let alone the PC, which the X-Box 360 just blows away in one foul swoop.

Quote: "What I think they should do, instead of putting out new systems every year and bringing up the hype and only having really one or two good games (X-box) is bring out a console that you can program,"


What the hell are you people talking about?
PS2 - Mid 2000
GameCube / X-Box - Early 2001

All of the replacements are being released basically 2006 (X-Box 360 in November which really most people won't have it until 2006)

This would be the unwritten 5year Generation mark, that Sega & Nintendo have instituted. All of the consoles on the market are becomming beyond age-ed.

FGS the X-Box is considered the TOP-END system, yet are you all forgetting it is STILL running on Shader 1.1/1.3 which quite frankly is a pain in the arse to get the modern effects on.
It's processor runs at 733MHz.. most modern PCs are running at 2.6 Equivilant if not faster!

You people demand heaven & earth from your games.. which fine for the PC you can just run out and buy a new processor.
How exactly do you expect to have hundred and hundred of Physics Bodies running at a decent framerate on an X-Box; PLUS have that goreous landscape and amazing visuals.

All of the games with the best graphics on the X-Box are limited in other areas. Honestly the current most powerful solution is the Gamecube, but noooooooooooooooooo no one wants that console.. because it's no X-Box or PS2.

Yeah both of those consoles haven't evolved jack all in the last 5 years... all they've done is provide the same-old, same-old. Just with new graphics. Oh wow well give them a medal for having the arbitry Sequals and stealing franchises away from the PC.

pfft! it's about time both brands were overhauled and rather than focusing on providing gamers with the status quo they need to shake up the industry again.

X-Box and PS2 fanboys piss me off.. god knows why the hell they've sold so well over the last 5years. No one ever talks about the GameCube or what Revolution could mean for the industry.

It's like Nintendo have been given a Failiar certificate on this new system before it's even released.

Oh you seen Resident Evil 4 on the X-Box and PS2 news recently? No? You know why? Cause no matter how the hell inventive developers are, they're never getting them to look the same on those aging hunks of plastic.
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Check this out: http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/982/Test-Drive-Unlimited/p1/

Make sure you check out the screens and video.

Tobias - The original XBox does not have the ability to come anywhere close to the graphics quality in that game. Plus good luck running Havok physics on an XBox in a full blown game like Half Life 2.
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Quote: "Guess we've been looking at difference screens of games. Cause from where I've been sitting the last 4years the X-Box graphics can't even live up to the GameCube. Let alone the PC, which the X-Box 360 just blows away in one foul swoop."


You've got to be on something. I know as of right now the PC beats Xbox all the way downtown, but the only Gamecube title I can think of that has the gaphics to overthrow the Xbox is Resident Evil 4, and that is easily beaten by Chaos Theory. A couple of shots from 360 look pretty junky in comparison to existing Xbox titles, mainly that zombie one.

The whole point is we dont need a whole new set of consoles to crank out top-notch graphics, you just have to work a little on the existing ones. It's kind of like that thing that says we only use 32% of our brain, how many developers push these consoles to their limits to pump out those awesome graphics they want?

Unfortunately that then becomes a matter of business, because what publisher in hell wants to wait 2+ years for every game to have awesome graphics on existing consoles when they can just a new console and get the same thing done without writing a bunch of optimization?

That's why Microsoft is pushing their whole XNA idea, they're betting that publishers will think "Hmmm...faster development, more games in a given time period=more money".

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Quote: "No one ever talks about the GameCube or what Revolution could mean for the industry."


Thats because there was none, it failed completely, no internet support or dvd player and you had two little disks instead of one regular disk that you could put in a real case.

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Quote: "You've got to be on something. I know as of right now the PC beats Xbox all the way downtown, but the only Gamecube title I can think of that has the gaphics to overthrow the Xbox is Resident Evil 4, and that is easily beaten by Chaos Theory. "


oh for [censored] sake. you've got to be kidding me!
yeah... perhaps you should actually PLAY Resident Evil 4 rather than looking at screenshots or low-quality video.

Furthermore, Pikmin 2, Mario Sunshine, Starfox Adventures, and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles are not even close to argueably the best looking games on the consoles currently.

Quote: "Thats because there was none, it failed completely, no internet support or dvd player and you had two little disks instead of one regular disk that you could put in a real case."


Oh so you need your console to have Internet Support (which btw neither the PS2 or X-Box have, they only have Online Play.. last time I checked the GameCube ALSO has), and a DVD-Player which quite frankly I don't see the point in. Why do you need that on a games console?

Oh and having 2 discs over a single disc... Big [censored] whoop!Most of my Playstation games game on several discs, I don't see what the hell the big problem with swapping discs is.

MGS on the PS1 came on 2 discs. MGS on the GameCube game on 2 discs.
What, you can't move a few feet to swap a disc now? after what 10-12hours of gameplay. Jesus Christ how lazy are you!
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@Tesio

You do raise some valid arguments.

The age between the XBox and the 360 will be a perfect 4 years, not 5. But that is a minor point.

You are quite right about the 733MHz processor of the XBox. I guess it is true that newer technology has advanced enough to make a difference.

@billy the kid

That is quite an amazing screenshot you linked to.

But does that mean that the current XBox graphics are not amazing? I don't think so.

No matter what I think or say or do, the industry will move on without me. The new XBox 360 will come out wheather I like it or not.

I wish them well. I'm sure that lots of money, fame and fortune will be in their future.
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RE4 does have the best graphics a console game has to offer right now. Its especially shown in the great architecture later in the game, the way the area are built and the amount of detail in them. I was suprised.

That is, till Wanda and Colossus, or is it Shadow of colossus now? They sure do like changing names. That game just looks, graphicly great.

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Quote: "Plus good luck running Havok physics on an XBox in a full blown game like Half Life 2."


Um, HL2 is coming out for the Xbox this year.


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67. Duke Nuke em:Forever!
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70. Stalker
71. Indigo: Poperacy
Another big issue is the handheld market at e3. I mean, Nintendo is doing terrible! And Sony is killing them!
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http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9594f668-5342-4b38-8eb1-d6bf479c4139&page=other

While not a tremendous amount of info, Nintendo has released new details about the Revolution!

It will use 12cm discs, and will be backwards compatible with the NGC! GOOD It will also be the size of just 3 DVD cases, making it the smallest Nintendo console ever! It is also following in the footsteps of the PS2 and Xbox 360 as it will be able to stand up vertically.


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Quote: "oh for [censored] sake. you've got to be kidding me!
yeah... perhaps you should actually PLAY Resident Evil 4 rather than looking at screenshots or low-quality video.

Furthermore, Pikmin 2, Mario Sunshine, Starfox Adventures, and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles are not even close to argueably the best looking games on the consoles currently."


Dno't fret yourself, I played it at a friend's house overnight with an s-video hookup. I did not mention any of those other games, and I certainly do not consider them to be the standard for Gamecube.

Have you played Chaos Theory? Perhaps it is a matter of personal taste, but everything just seems more solid and smooth in Chaos Theory, whereas I could still see some edges in some RE4 models. Not saying it's bad graphics, it's all beautiful in fact, but the disucssion is about top-notch graphics, and I'm just offering my opinion on which product is superior in that sense.

That racing video was okay, but the only thing setting it apart from games of today was the super shiny surface of the car. Reflections don't make quality game graphics.

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Agreed... Shiny surfaces do make things look neat and give the oooh and ahhh effect, but wouldnt it be nice if they made games where the cars got dirty as you drove them and then the shine factor slowly decreases until you get it polished up?



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Yes! That would be awesome. And maybe some of it could get cleaned up if you drove in the rain or something like that. That is a sexy, marketable, billion dollar idea.

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Well there is already a game like that, so...

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XBox DOES NOT have as good of graphics as the XBox 360.

You'd be a fool to tell me that the XBox can run these graphics:

http://www.gamespot.com/x360/action/2daystovegas/screenindex.html?part=rss&tag=gs_all_games&subj=6123372

in real time. I'm sorry, not gonna happen. These are WAY better than the rendered movies in Halo 2 or any other XBox game I've played.

Oh, and I agree that XBox and PS2 fanboys are annoying. Myself, I own both an XBox and a Gamecube. Both have amazing games, and neither should be put ahead of the other. However, one thing I do really like about the Xbox over the GameCube is XBox Live, because I don't usually have lots of people to play with.

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Of course you can achieve more with 360, but I guess the question to ask at this point is: Is it all really necessary to advance games?

I have a friend who is addicted to Halo2, biggest Xbox fanboy you'll ever meet, yet for the past month and a half he's been addicted to something else, it's taken away from his Halo 2 time and become a legitimate obsession: Tetris for the Ti83. He's also got several other people addicted to it, instead of playing HalfLife 2, or Doom 3, or World of Warcraft they're getting together and trying to beat each other's Tetris high scores.

What I'm proposing is that, instead of fixing it so game's graphics don't suck, how about we fix it so that games' gameplay and creative environments don't suck? New consoles foster a love for photo-realistic graphics and crummy gameplay is forgiven because there's a new console and the graphics are oh so pretty.

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Damn straight the graphics are oh-so pretty! AND I LIKE IT!

heh, I'm just joking, I agree in some instances a little gameplay tweaking could go a LONG way in making games more fun rather than just better graphics.

Sadly though, the market caters to the majority rather than the minority. And the majority says amazing graphics and mediocre gameplay sell.

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I hear ya there man. I love pretty graphics as much as the next guy, but it makes me wonder when the majority is going to stop looking at the game and just play it.

They must be edumacated in the ways of the fun!

(Gotta love these threads' ups and downs)

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Quote: "http://www.gamespot.com/x360/action/2daystovegas/screenindex.html?part=rss&tag=gs_all_games&subj=6123372"


Just a question---- what makes you so sure those screens are in real-time? The screenies were most likely taken from a high-end PC. Don't assume.


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Sony's making their moves:
[/href]http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/16/technology/personaltech/e3_sony/index.htm[/href]

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has anyone saw the price for the xbox360 games! it's 59.99!
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URGENT!
The new legend of zelda game is TWLIGHT PRINCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...and it looks absolutely FANTASTIC.

Facts are meaningless.
You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
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on gamecube? yea it looks awsome! oh no i sell my gamecube 1 year ago...

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86. Kirby adventure GC
87. The unveling of the game boy micro!
89. Marvel nemis(Make spiderman powerful! Oh! it is a fighting game!)
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I hope the werewolf Zelda things turns out well, it's just too awesome looking to have people piss and moan about a new game element.

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i have a question, why all the next gen console games costing 59.99? but lets continue
93. Battlion wars(aka advance wars for the GC)
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95. Mark eckos getting up
I am extremly dissapointed in nintendo this year . You can defend nintendo all yo want but you got to admitt the only thing they have there is the new legend of zelda game. By the way, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHATS A ABOUT!
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never mind about the storyline.
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98. Metal Gear Solid 3.5(they change the camera view and online mutliplayer)
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100. YEAH!!!!!!!! THIS IS THE 100TH GAME I MENTION!
Anyway the game is Okama(it is a inotavitive game in which your able to kill you enemy artisticly)
more might come. And this is the last day of e3
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well thats it. see you next year.
Oh wait! I need to tell you the top 5 titles Im looking forward to.
1. The Legend of Zelda:Twllight Princess
2. Kingdom hearts 2
3. Metal gear solid 3.5(and I hated 3)
4. Soul cailber 3
5. And last but not least Okami
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