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Geek Culture / USA Patrols The Internet?

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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 27th May 2005 14:32 Edited at: 27th May 2005 14:42
After reading an article about how the US was cracking down on BitTorrent users, I had to check it out. This site was based in the Netherlands from what I understand...so just how did the US use it's laws to take over this site? Last time I checked, US laws ONLY applied on US land. Hmmm....


http://www.elitetorrents.org/




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Posted: 27th May 2005 14:46
They only apply to others when they allow illegal content to be distributed to the US. Then international treaties come in to play.

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Posted: 27th May 2005 15:48
Meh. I don't always believe it when the government so-called "shuts down" a torrent site. Just look what happened to lokitorrent.com --- everyone was freaked out when the MPAA apparently took hold of it and changed the site. They apparently had the IPs of all the downloaders, etc.

Just checked the ownership of lokitorrent.com and it's still under the same original owner's name, NOT the MPAA or the RIAA. Everyone knows it was a scam (the author took the donation cash and ran).


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Eric T
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Posted: 27th May 2005 16:00 Edited at: 27th May 2005 16:13
Yeah, he ran quickly and far it seems

Elitetorrents was a smallfry (compared to some others) anyway. I never actually used the site or any of its trackers, as they sucked.


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http://www.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel05/bittorrent052505.htm

Theres the press release. Funny thing is though, they're trying to scare the endusers, but yet, they really can't do anything to us. Server Admins and Huge Releasers, yeah, they can whack them. But as a End User, all your recieving and uploading is a string of data... your not really uploading or downloading a full program/movie/app/tvshow/pr0n, just a bit of data. What that data belongs too? Who knows... then all those "bits of data" that you have recieved get (as the clients call it) allocated into one large (or many large) file. So your really never uploading or downloading anything, just sending and recieving random bits of data.

(I'm not suggesting trying that arguement in court btw, that'd be just stupid... ).

They're not gonna go after the leechers anyway, they're only gonna whack Server Admins and Releasers till the end of time. Not like you can stop a problem if you try going after the people taking advantage of the problem and not the creators of the problem if ya catch my drift. Blame bad typing on tiredness.

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Posted: 27th May 2005 21:12
The stupid government has been scowering the internet since it came up, they just announced it publicly when the patriot act came out, which allowes them to do really anything to anyone they want without a warrent, they just have to say, "hey your a terrorist...get 'em" and your going to dissappear for a while, read they act its scary of what they can do.

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Posted: 28th May 2005 00:38
Quote: "The stupid government has been scowering the internet since it came up"


The government is the organization that made the internet possible.
Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 28th May 2005 01:05
Quote: "The government is the organization that made the internet possible."


How Ironic.


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Posted: 28th May 2005 01:21
It's easier to just turn a blind eye to it now. Government doesn't do half the things it promises so what are the odds they're gona start getting serious with torrenting?

It's the internet we're talking about.

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David R
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Posted: 28th May 2005 05:04
If the governent etc. knew about the problems the web would cause (viruses, torrenting, spam email) then it probably wouldn't be here today.....

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Jeku
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Posted: 28th May 2005 05:08
I'm curious to see what will happen to the author of Bit Torrent's new torrent search page. There was an article about it recently on Slashdot and it has a large amount of legitimate uses. I used it the other day to get a torrent for the new Ubuntu distribution. I won't post the link but you can find it pretty easily.


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Posted: 28th May 2005 05:39
Um yes sir...I'm planning to uh...download family videos & photos...

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Posted: 28th May 2005 09:58
the thing that tiggles me is that they go after the downloaders/tracker sites and not releasers. there's far easier ways of getting stuff than bittorrent. many places are still untapped by the aa's. they are only attacking it because it's the easiest method of sharing new files to people.

notice how a high profile movie like star wars to get leaked makes the mpaa interested in bittorrent suddenly? every other movie that gets released, the release groups never get caught. they never found out who leaked lord of the rings, return of the king dvd almost 2 months before it's retail release.

the lokitorrent owner scammed tons of donators and probably got away with it. one bittorrent tracker site uses lawsuit paper as toilet paper just to prove that they cant be touched currently.

but at the end of the day if the mp/riAA caught up with the internet, piracy wouldnt be this bad as it stands.

i give that bittorrent search engine a month maybe two before they close it.

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Ian T
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Posted: 28th May 2005 11:27
Fact police time

Quote: "they just announced it publicly when the patriot act came out, which allowes them to do really anything to anyone they want without a warrent"


No, it doesn't-- it specifically allows certain departments to investigate organizations with criminal backgrounds without reporting to other government agencies, and the government to do specific checkups on individuals without logging their activities. The patriot act would have absolutely no affect on FBI piracy activities, and furthermore it has no international significance so couldn't be used in other countries.

Quote: "read they act"


No offense, but you clearly haven't read it yourself . Since the entire act is available to read in summary and in full online, please check your facts next time

Laggy-

Quote: "there's far easier ways of getting stuff than bittorrent. many places are still untapped by the aa's. they are only attacking it because it's the easiest method of sharing new files to people."


Same deal as censorship advocates attacking the game industry. Movies and even books are both far more uncontrolled; the game industry has the most rating systems and rating system enforcements of any entertainment business, at least in the US, but nevertheless it's always the poster child for 'negative material'. Because it's new, and they think they have a chance at taking it down. As annoying as that tactic is, it makes sense.

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Posted: 28th May 2005 11:49
Truth Police Time:

Quote: "Mouse"


Apparently knows too much.




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Posted: 28th May 2005 12:59
I'm a genius. Here's my Certificate of Genius, see? Deal with it

Benjamin
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Posted: 29th May 2005 00:08
You're just a boring old fart, thats what you are


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