Quote: " you learn nowt with tools, they do thier job; you don't have to think. so that argument is flawed right there."
Uhmm...what? Those tools are very good for system and network security testing. Some of the best that are free in that case. If you would like to show me a better, quicker, easier way, than I would like to hear it. Of course those tools do their job...hence the reason why they are considered "good". As for the rest of you so called argument, well...im not even going to go there. Even if any of it had made any sense...it has no relavence at all.
Seriously now...what are you trying to prove?
Don't look at me like that!