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Geek Culture / TGC's Firefox Points

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 02:54 Edited at: 11th Jul 2005 02:55
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=user/view/979

Not sure if you can get to that without being logged into spreadfirefox.com, but I just thought I'd let people know..

Rich - maybe you could put the firefox link more prominently on the page Hehe...

EDIT: Btw Rich, good luck in the Zend exam

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Eddie B
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 03:34
Quote: "Rich - maybe you could put the firefox link more prominently on the page Hehe..."


Bottom right corner..

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 11:53
I love me tabbed browsing Although that is supposed to be in the next IE. Also, there are virus' that can go through IE and not Firefox (or so they say, I'm not an expert on the matter)

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JoelJ
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 11:59
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And there is this thing about "wiggleing your mouse" to click a link. I really don't understand the point of that. Why not just click it. I can get anywhere in my screen without ever lifting, what purpose does "wiggling" serve?
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what wiggleing?... i dont wiggle to click a link, but i do use mouse gesters to open new tabs and close windows and stuff, and i do use mouse rockers (leftclick then rightclick to go FORWARD, right then left to go back) but i dont wiggle to open a link.

Quote: "I guess what I am trying to say is, is there any real functions in firefox that does anything? I don't mean I want to change the webpages to circus colors, but is there anything that is useful when it comes to actually surfing the web?"


Tabs, various plugins, mouse gesters, there are TONS of usefull plugins

Quote: "Another was about how Firefox formats the webpage to your screen... Bad Programming is all that comes to mind. I mean you are suppose to propperly format your webpage by yourself. Some low level people are now making wacked out table formats to FORCE you to use firefox."


IE is bad programming, Microsoft didnt even keep their own standards, FF keeps the standards, IE doesnt.
I personally wouldnt randomly go ranting about software if you dont know anything about it, or if you havnt even USED it.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 12:06
Quote: "Why can't Bill stop stealing..."

it's not stealing...he's giving people what they want.

tabbed browsing is opening the a differnt site in the same window but in a differnt tab rather than opening a whole new window for it

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 14:56
yup keeps your taskbar nice and clean but suprisingly enough i havent seen anything that comes WITH windows that used tabbing,msn dont, ie dont, notepad dont, wordpad dont, or paint. and this can end up in very cluttered task bars i mean when im developing i usually have 4 windows open, command prompt to compile, folder to test run it, a source file editor, and a help window or a webpage(btw there is a utility included with advanced system optimizer which lets u minimize ANY window to the tray and lets u turn them transparent if u like)(that is developing my os anyway) not to include things im doing when i want to take a break for a few secs and if i had as many windows open as i do tabs i would have 6 more windows open since when im browsing the forum i click the middle mouse button for every post that looks intresting in that board then i look through them and close tabs when im done then i go to the next board

also dont forget about the extensions and themes ffx has and why most ftp servers request that u dont use ie as your ftp client cause it attempts to create 1 connection for browsing then i think ti has a leak or something cause even after u have uploaded it still keeps that connection open which well most ftp servers dont like

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It only gets more logical from here(sigh)
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 17:21
Quote: "Can someone explain why people are so apt to firefox. I've read things on it, most of what is said is nonsense, or useless. But I still wonder why people like it."


I gues because it just works? It renders X/HTML about as perfectly as you can at the moment, without the need for hacks and work-arounds, IE specific "features" or semantically incorrect mark-up. Those for me are the best reasons, but I do agree, there is a strange fanboy mentality associated with it. It's probably because of the "It's cool to hate Microsoft" thing, which is kinda weird. I don't hate Microsoft - I love XP, I love Word, I love Excel - I just don't like IEs flagrant inabilities Perhaps IE7 will fix these, I'll find out soon enough as we (TGC) received our official MS Longhorn Beta logins on Friday.

Quote: "I mean, someone once made a BIG fuss over that he stares at the computer screen all day and words are too small to read only firefox fixes this."


Well he's got a point, to a degree. In FF (and Opera I hasten to add) you can re-size all fonts to any scale you want, up or down. In IE you cannot and if the designer has used a fixed pixel sizing in the CSS then you can't even adjust the tiny amount it does allow. So yeah, for some people this IS an issue. For most people with 20/20 vision it's not so vital imho.

Quote: "Another was about how Firefox formats the webpage to your screen... Bad Programming is all that comes to mind. I mean you are suppose to propperly format your webpage by yourself. Some low level people are now making wacked out table formats to FORCE you to use firefox."


Formats it to your screen? Sounds like a bogus claim to me. It formats it to whatever the mark-up has been set to do, no more.

Quote: "And there is this thing about "wiggleing your mouse" to click a link. I really don't understand the point of that. Why not just click it. I can get anywhere in my screen without ever lifting, what purpose does "wiggling" serve?"


Mouse gestures are common in *lots* of software packages (including Windows itself), not just Firefox. I think Opera did it first, but then I've seen a gestures plugin for IE too. Personally I don't use them and don't really see the need, but that doesn't mean they're useless for some.

Quote: "I guess what I am trying to say is, is there any real functions in firefox that does anything? I don't mean I want to change the webpages to circus colors, but is there anything that is useful when it comes to actually surfing the web?"


As someone who spends all day developing for the web, FF is a breath of fresh air. The plugins are superb, extremely powerful. Tabbed browsing a god-send. Built-in RSS feeds are very useful. Fully skinable, neat Download manager, *smaller* memory footprint (IE with the 2 sites I'm viewing now open takes up 37MB of memory, FF with 3 open only 30MB - the exact same pages, plus 1 extra site). Rendering wise FF can actually handle CSS correctly and heck there are loads of other reasons, but I've been over them many times before. The new TGC site will work flawlessly on FF and IE, but if you use FF, you'll get some nice graphical extras, simple as that.

Cheers,

Rich

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 17:24
Quote: " I'll find out soon enough as we (TGC) received our official MS Longhorn Beta logins on Friday."


Ah cool, so what I was reading was true (not about TGC having beta access, about Longhorn hitting beta this month). Anyway... return to your conversation.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 19:18
I'm a web developer. I always develope in Firefox first so I get to see how the page should look - its just much easier. I then go through an apply lots of hacks to make it work in IE. Thats the way it works!

I love the theming, tabbed browsing, mouse gestures are quite usefull once you've learned them.. Loads of things...

What I dont like is that M$ have decided to go out on their own and develop the web for microsoft - not the web as set out by W3. The problem here is that by the time W3 have decided whether it was a good idea or not, everyone has started using the feature as a standard and W3 have very little choice but to make it a standard.

I also tend to find firefox browses a little faster too... Might be my anti-M$, Firefox-Fanboy attitude though Hehe...

Rich - how's the Zend qualification going?

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 19:26
What is "Zend" ?

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 19:42
Quote: "Ah cool, so what I was reading was true (not about TGC having beta access, about Longhorn hitting beta this month)."


Well all we have so far is access to Microsoft Connect, the beta test zone and the Download area. There are no downloads yet though But they must be gearing up for it, or they wouldn't have sent through our IDs and passes.

Quote: "Rich - how's the Zend qualification going?"


It's fine, have been too busy to really revise so am forcing myself to take some time in the evenings to get through the revision material, but hopefully it won't be too bad (especially considering how expensive the exam was!). It's quite neat because I am reviewing the Zend Exam book for PHP Mag, so they paid for it for me, it will all go towards a Zend Exam related article in the end. That and it's just a cool thing to have. Powersoft - Zend are the company who make the core guts of PHP (the Zend Engine) from PHP 3 onwards.

Cheers,

Rich

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 19:47
Ah thanks for clearing that up, good luck.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 21:17
Good luck Rich, let me know if its any good. I do a lot of work with PHP and am generally looking to get myself qualified in it as currently all I know in it is from personal project work. I'm sure there are more efficient and secure ways of doing nearly everything I do!

Also rich, dont know if you're interested or not, but I have made a DBPro parser for my site. Basically, you provide it with a keyword list which I have made from the ones provided by the default IDE, and it will output the program as a set of text with <SPAN>'s used for the highlighting (along with CSS)...

For example:
http://www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk/new/index.php?page=dbchallenge&subpage=code&id=73

That was one of the code entries I did for the Challenges thread in the DBPro forum. The problem I'm working on getting around atm is making it so when you copy and paste it, you dont get the line numbers from the HTML Ordered List... any idea's?

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 21:28
Very nice - BTW when I copy and paste the code, I don't get any line numbers at all - maybe it's just an IE thing?

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 21:54
Do you use IE, cos I dont.. Althought my test was copying and pasting into Notepad! I'll try DBP's IDE later..

Once the parsing code is finalised, I'm hoping to make it open source. Was wondering if you wanted to use it in the next version of the forums?

Also - how are code boxes going to work in the new forums? Are they still gonna be expandable blocks or are they going to be IFRAME's - like on my site? Each have their own advantages..

I am also aware that the IFRAME on my site does not work properly in IE.. When I tell it to be 100% width, IE makes its 100% width of the page them positions it.. But doesn't resize it thus it sticks out the right of the screen untill you resize the entire window forcing IE to redraw itself.. Grrr...

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Posted: 11th Jul 2005 21:58
Another reason to use FireFox
FF 100
IE n/a

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