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Phaelax
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 05:28 Edited at: 13th Jul 2005 05:29
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I opened a small, 38mb XML file in IE. Aside from my system coming a hault, here's how much memory it took:


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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 05:33
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IE is a failure.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 05:45
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add that to your list of why FF is better than IE

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 05:48
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Use firefox
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 06:09
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Surely its the IE application + the file you want to open...

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 09:26
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Quote: "add that to your list of why FF is better than IE"


Funny you should mmention Firefox and memory usage. A recent experiment done in PC Pro (uk mag) found that with 30 windows open the mmeory usage was something like

IE: 470mb
Opera: 440mb
Firefox: 600mb

Firefox also hung onto all its memory until the last window was closed. Hence in FF you can get one window taking 600mb of memory.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 09:45
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Except Firefox has tabbed browsing, so it's actually going to take up 400mb less than IE

If I looking for blog
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 12:30 Edited at: 13th Jul 2005 12:32
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EricTomassetti/FF.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EricTomassetti/ff2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EricTomassetti/IE.jpg

I rest my case...

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 12:43
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Quote: "I couldn't help noticing that you are also running millions of background programs, some of which are probally spyware"


You might wanna look at Win2k processes before you state that. The marjority of those are system processes. "jusched" is part of my java stuff. Most of the things starting with "C" have to do with my sound card, and "sfmgr" I believe is part of Brazil but I'm not positive on that. Which ones do you believe are spyware?


Quote: "I've opened up larger XMLs with IE, but those were on my computer. Perhapes the bug is online."

I suppose I should've said the XML file was located on my computer. It's the iTunes file actually. I'm planning on supporting the file in my own iTunes clone, which now plays music finally.


FF is ok, its more stable thats for sure. But IE still responds quicker. I switch between them depending on what I'm doing actually.

I'm gonna open the file in FF and see what it shows.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 12:49 Edited at: 13th Jul 2005 12:51
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im on my older g4 while reading this and so its 10.3.9 with safari open with one page provides these results.



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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 14:53 Edited at: 13th Jul 2005 14:54
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Inetinfo is not spyware. Its used by IIS. Next...
WinMgmt is not spyware. Windows Management scripts etc...Its commonly found on server setups. Next...
OverClk, IIRC, is part of the Asus motherboard setup. Next...
Zlclient is Zone Alarm Next...
Jusched is part of java. Next...
Ipodservice is part of Itunes IIRC.

No spyware in any of them processes. By the way Merranvo, you never did respond when I disproved your statement:

Quote: "Also except tabbed browsing is the equivalent of opening a new window (not a new session) of ie. Except without the tabs."


With my links... so I take that as I win?

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 17:03 Edited at: 13th Jul 2005 17:06
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IIS = Internet Information Service
It's MS's web server junk, which I run.
OverClk = Over-clock, as in over-clocking your pc. I have an Asus board

Windows Managment (the translation is obvious, but why is it running? I can be connected to other things but it NEVER runs on my computer

Do you run a server, such as IIS? Well then no, you won't see it.

Ipod service always installs automatically when i've installed iTunes, and I cannot close the process. 224k is nothing for me to even worry about, have 1gb of ram .

As for IE, if you minimize the browser window, you'll see that its memory usage in the processes drops to almost nothing.

When you guys talk about new sessions, you mean an instance of the existing browser?


I loaded the XML file in FF. Immediately it took up over 200mb, no surprise. I left it to finish loading as I watched some tv. When I came back, my computer was locked up. So I won't be trying that again.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 17:12 Edited at: 13th Jul 2005 17:18
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EricTomassetti/ie2.jpg

I pressed ctrl-N 37 times. It mighta been 38, or it mighta been 36

Still... I'm seeing firefox managing better yet.

But, Using the 64bit edition of IEXPLORER, I get much different results.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/EricTomassetti/ie64bit.jpg

This is after 58 windows opened (+/- 1).

So whats the morale of the story? 64bit kicks ass, 32bit is for suckers.

Quote: "I loaded the XML file in FF. Immediately it took up over 200mb, no surprise. I left it to finish loading as I watched some tv. When I came back, my computer was locked up. So I won't be trying that again.
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Bad XML file maybe? Never had that happen in either IE or Firefox.

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Quote: "So whats the morale of the story? 64bit kicks ass, 32bit is for suckers."

And you only just realised that ? We should have been using 64-bit processors years ago - although to be honest, we should really skip 64-bit and go straight to 128-bit.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 21:50
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Well, it took the availability of an OS and some apps that take advantage of 64bit for me to realize it

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 00:49
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Quote: "Funny you should mmention Firefox and memory usage. A recent experiment done in PC Pro (uk mag) found that with 30 windows open the mmeory usage was something like

IE: 470mb
Opera: 440mb
Firefox: 600mb"


I'm sure those figures are wrong - I have a recent issue of PC Pro and I remember that the figures were in the tens of megabytes, not hundreds!

FireFox *does* free memory promptly when windows are opened and closed, the issue is with tabs - where memory is not released for any of the tabs until they are all closed.


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woot for us 64bit users although i still use mozilla often bacause of all the advanced options i can turn off like:
download images (useful for 56k, which i am not when at home but on a laptop on hols it's good)
allow site to install applications
allow java
allow javascript etc..

with options like these turned off it is much harder to get a virus, just turn it on for the short time when you need it and you know it is secure.
unfortunately i can't find a 64bit flash player so i can't see flash in 64bit linux with 64bit FF or 64bit xp with ie-64bit.

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@eric
u got xp pro 64bit
grrr u lucky *$%@#%

cant wait till i buy a new pc with a 64bit cpu in it

and yea bouncey is right
why not go rioght to 128bit
of course i also dont understand the inner workings of a cpu(besides the basics)

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Quote: "I'm sure those figures are wrong - I have a recent issue of PC Pro and I remember that the figures were in the tens of megabytes, not hundreds!"


I was sure they were in the hundreds - didn't he open loads of windows? I'll get it out when I'm home. We looking at he same bit - RWC q&a section, somebody asked about mem usage, and he gave the results?

But opening something like 50 windows would use in the hundreds, I'd guess?

One thing's for sure: firefox did use more than opera and IE.

Quote: "Except Firefox has tabbed browsing, so it's actually going to take up 400mb less than IE "


Well, the test showed firefox took more memory them ie. I don't know if the tabbed stuff doesn't show up on taskman or what, but...

You can actually get tabbed ie with the latest MSN toolbar. Not that I'm letting the msn toolbar on my system

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g5s are 64 bit yummy

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do i even bother to reply to a troll like that?

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Flamebait, do your research, and see how similar MacOs and Linux are. Then look through the issues linux has too, they become very apparent when developing for it.

Nothing wrong with either Windows, MacOS, or Linux, its all a matter of preference

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Quote: "But Macs do have their own issues. Windows has more, but it is in difrent placed. So go with Linux, reported as more stable then the lot of them.
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You are aware MacOS is based off the Unix platform, right? Right? Please for the sake of any unborn children I may have!!!

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Quote: " Windows = High System Resource Usage. Bugs and Holes here and there.

Mac has some compatability issues... Macs are the type of machine that is better for some things Windows is the same only Bill is so greedy that he basically trys to fit windows to everything.

Linux is really just a shell, and that is why it is associated to be more stable. They don't spend time making interfaces, but improving thier software. You make your interface (or download it.)"

Yah. Flame you moron. Do research. No offense, but the software on linux sucks. There is a reason major companies make software on Mac/Windows. They are good. I am a techy, and I say a Big fat NO to Linux. I downloaded it. Have a partition, have a 1337 live disk, but it sucks. Software just isnt the same. g4 here... 1.4. I dont use it, as I cant be bothered to spend years to buy all the software I have on my NICE COMPATIBLE USABILE NONE ERRORED HOLY 64bit Windows. Dont nag on about how "0/|\GZ \|/1/|/|)0\|/z $uXz" You most likely are using it. Most people use it. Then eric T seems to have good taste 64bit is very nice. IE runs pretty nice. And Games run at a slightly higher performance. I am upgrading my processor as soon as I get $500-1000 to a better processor (pref amd 64b FX, I only have a AMD 64 3400+)
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Quote: "I was sure they were in the hundreds - didn't he open loads of windows? I'll get it out when I'm home. We looking at he same bit - RWC q&a section, somebody asked about mem usage, and he gave the results?

But opening something like 50 windows would use in the hundreds, I'd guess?

One thing's for sure: firefox did use more than opera and IE."


It was in the hundreds for IE... I bought the magazine while i was on holiday... So ive read ALL of it

Firefox was something like 40mb and Opera and Netscape were IIRC...

But he said if you use File > New Window in IE (Or w/e It is (Havent used IE for ages..)) Then it doesnt use all that memory...

Must be a new instance bug that MS havent fixed....

Or IE is just a hefty b****** !


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Quote: "You are aware MacOS is based off the Unix platform, right? Right? Please for the sake of any unborn children I may have!!!
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MacOS is based off the Mach-Micro Kernel for Unix. Very, very different from today's Linux kernel.

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you gyus seem to have missed this one, linux is just a kernel, gnome is an example of a shell, again.. do your research first.

Quote: "I am upgrading my processor as soon as I get $500-1000 to a better processor (pref amd 64b FX, I only have a AMD 64 3400+)"

what do you mean ONLY a 3400, i only have a 3000 and i'm not considering a cpu upgrade, you really must want to stay at the very top end of pc spec cause there's not mutch that will push your 3400 as it is.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2005 03:47 Edited at: 16th Jul 2005 03:48
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Quote: "It was in the hundreds for IE... I bought the magazine while i was on holiday... So ive read ALL of it

Firefox was something like 40mb and Opera and Netscape were IIRC..."


I was sure FF was more - I remember reading it out to somebody because I was so surprised at the result. And didn't the guy who wrote it also point it out?

I don't think it was the latest one - wasn't it a couple of months back? If I was at home I'd be able to get it out, but I'm not


Will be interesting to see what memory usage is like with the new tabbed version of IE.

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Quote: "MacOS is based off the Mach-Micro Kernel for Unix. Very, very different from today's Linux kernel."


pfft, someone needs to do there homework regarding os x and where it comes from.

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Quote: "I was sure FF was more - I remember reading it out to somebody because I was so surprised at the result. And didn't the guy who wrote it also point it out?

I don't think it was the latest one - wasn't it a couple of months back? If I was at home I'd be able to get it out, but I'm not


Will be interesting to see what memory usage is like with the new tabbed version of IE."


No I was sure they were the same... and I thought it was the latest...

But I did buy it from a Newsagent in wales... Could be a little bit behind


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@indi; Directly from Linux.org, regaurding FLOSS 'leeches';

Quote: "'One example is Apple, who built Mac OS X on the Mach Micro-Kernel, that is Free-BSD's foundation....'"


And Free-BSD'd foundation is quite different from the current UNIX/LINUX specification.



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