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Nytmayre
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Is it just me? Or has anyone else noticed that whenever nintendo latches onto a decent game, (ie. once a century), they re-use that same idea over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Take this for an example - Pokemon:
Red
Blue
Yellow
Pinball
Pinball 2
Trading Card Game
Gold
Silver
Crystal
Stadium
Stadium 2
Snap!
Ruby
Sappire
and countless other spinoffs and ripoffs...

In other words, Nintendo sucks, go Sony!

And, it's not just pokemon either -
Mario:
1
2
3
Golf
Golf 2
Kart
Kart 2
Kart 3(?)
64
Sunshine
I don't know many others - I hate mario

In other words, Nintendo/Nofriendo are sad.

For a hilarious example of this, google either:
The Decline in Video Gaming
or
" " " " " 2

(both flash)

Hop I have brought up a fair point.

Aaargh! Mario invades us all!

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Uh... What's the point of this bit?
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Posted: 16th Jul 2005 22:59
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F*** OFF you banned retard!

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Everyone does this. Sonic, final fantasy, crash bandicoot, tekken, the list goes on. Why stop if the titles are making lots of $$$? TV series do this as well, power rangers for example. Make some cheapo taiwanese toys and make series apon series of low budget childrens programs to try and flog as many as you can. Pretty much the same idea with Pokemon.

And this just sounds like a "I hate Nintendo" thread. Did you think about the basis of your arguement before you posted this thread? Quit moaning and go and do something worthwhile with your time.

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Quote: " Or has anyone else noticed that whenever nintendo latches onto a decent game, (ie. once a century),"

no need to exaggerate.

Quote: "hey re-use that same idea over and over and over and over and over and over again?"

like has been said, why the hell would you stop making one type of gaming when it's bringing in a substantial amount of money? That would just be stupid.

Quote: "
Red
Blue
Yellow
Pinball
Pinball 2
Trading Card Game
Gold
Silver
Crystal
Stadium
Stadium 2
Snap!
Ruby
Sappire
"

This way they have a little something for everyone, and the fanatics will have plenty of variety, good idea really.

Quote: "and countless other spinoffs and ripoffs..."

not ripoffs if they're being made by the same people.

Quote: "In other words, Nintendo sucks, go Sony!"

Sony may be quite a bit better than nintendo with all these new systems, but nintendo was here first, and nintendo classics are some of the best games ever.

Quote: "I don't know many others - I hate mario"

Mario is one of those good "classic" games I was referring to above. In fact, Mario is what got me into video games, was actually the first game I ever played(i know, im not as old as some around here). Mario was a superb game and even the original is better than many games I see out today.

Quote: "For a hilarious example of this, google"

You can make just about anything "hilarious" with google, so that isn't exactly fair.

Quote: " F*** OFF you banned retard!"

He is just trying to express his opinions, no need for the starred out language.

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Jimmy
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Quote: "Quote: " F*** OFF you banned retard!"
He is just trying to express his opinions, no need for the starred out language."


And Raven's just expressing his opinions. No need to try and weasel your way up to mod status, retard.


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Quote: "He is just trying to express his opinions, no need for the starred out language."

No one asked him for his opinions.
I have nothing against Nintendo, I don't like most of the PS/2 games so I prefer Ninendo over Sony. But really, Dreamcast pwnz all.

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Quote: "No need to try and weasel your way up to mod status, retard."


First off, please quit saying that after every post I make, it's really getting old. Secondly, why the hell would I be made a mod after numerous bans, you're just not making sense. Thirdly, no im not trying to start an argument with you, im just getting sick of you always trying to say something about me. If you would like to continue to argue about how stupid I am and such please email me, and we can settle it there.

Quote: "But really, Dreamcast pwnz all."

I'll have to agree with that one.

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Jimmy
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I don't do it after every post. I only do it after you start telling people what to do, just like a mod.


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Benjamin
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Posted: 17th Jul 2005 03:10 Edited at: 17th Jul 2005 03:23
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He wasn't telling anyone to do anything, as far as I can tell.

Quote: "Red
Blue
Yellow
Pinball
Pinball 2
Trading Card Game
Gold
Silver
Crystal
Stadium
Stadium 2
Snap!
Ruby
Sappire"

They aren't all the same type of game. I personally loved the stadium games, and the trading card game. I agree its almost ridiculous that they made so many of the same kind of game(blue, red, yellow, etc) but hey, if its selling then other people obviously don't think so. When people get bored of games, they stop buying them, which means Nintendo stop making those particular games. It makes complete sense.

Quote: "Mario:
1
2
3
Golf
Golf 2
Kart
Kart 2
Kart 3(?)
64
Sunshine"

Think of mario 2 and 3 as extra levels for 1, then you'll see why people like them. And its not just that, the game's design and gameplay improves with sequels. Mario kart was just pure class, and very different from the classic mario platformers. Its just like a cartoony go-kart game, with your favourite characters. Whats wrong with that?!

Quote: "In other words, Nintendo/Nofriendo are sad."

Sega did it with the Sonic games. Sony would do it if they had a mascot as original and as popular as Mario or Sonic.


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Quote: "I don't do it after every post. I only do it after you start telling people what to do, just like a mod"


But you just [u]told[u] Leys to shut-up.....

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Posted: 17th Jul 2005 03:51 Edited at: 17th Jul 2005 03:53
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No I didn't.

And don't forget this part either

Quote: "telling people what to do, just like a mod"


So you're stupid, as well.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2005 03:53 Edited at: 17th Jul 2005 03:54
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Quote: "But you just told Leys to shut-up....."

But you just told Jimmy that he told Leys to shut-up.
Actually, he didn't tell Leys to shut up. Read his post.

[edit] Posted at the same time >_<

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Quote: "But you just told Jimmy that he told Leys to shut-up."

That was simply a statement, he wasn't telling Jimmy to do anything.


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Back on topic...



Mario is awesome , if you dislike it, please tell me how so, that way I will at least know your reasoning behind it

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I know, I'm just getting in the way.

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I stand by my original opinion. This post is pointless.

More tea Vicar?
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"In other words, Nintendo sucks, go Sony!"
"Sega did it with the Sonic games. Sony would do it if they had a mascot as original and as popular as Mario or Sonic."

I think they're already having a shot at it.
http://psp.ign.com/objects/711/711340.html
http://wireless.ign.com/objects/680/680926.html
http://wireless.ign.com/objects/734/734548.html
http://ps2.ign.com/objects/693/693672.html
http://psp.ign.com/objects/608/608155.html

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Quote: "I think they're already having a shot at it."


Wow, never noticed that one before. Let's just face it, a good selling product is a good selling product, why not maximize on the sales?

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Let's try and come up with the complete list of all Mario games.
There must be millions.

Super Mario Land (GB)
Super Mario Land 2 (GB)
Dr Mario (GB)
Mario Golf (NES)
Mario Kart (NES)
Mario Party (NES)
Super Mario Land (NES)
Super Mario Bros. (SNES)
Super Mario World (SNES)
Super Mario World (GBA)
Mario 64 (N64)
Mario DS (DS)
Mario Sunshine (GC)
Mario Kart Double Dash (GC)
Mario Kart (GBA)
Mario Party 2 (N64)
Mario Party 3 (N64)

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Quote: "In other words, Nintendo sucks, go Sony!"


ah yeah the great almighty sony they would never do such a thing, but now has namco releasing tekken 5

Tony hawk games are up to god knows how many, gta is up to what 5 as well counting the 2/2d and 3/3d versions out. Fact is if people want a game and buy copies there is always going to be sequels hell final fantasy is up what 11 or is it 12? don't blame the software or hardware companies blame the consumers.

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Sony have got their own game series, Gran Turismo. Maybe it doesn't have a mascot for them to overuse but the thing is that anything that is commercial will be milked by international companies!

Harry Potter probably wouldn't have as many books (or films) as it has if the first one wasn't a success.
Was Police Acedemy ever popular? They did 8 of those, I think!
Anyone heard of Hello Kittie? It's the world's most used copyright.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a load of seasons and two spin-off series!
Star Trek has had more spin-offs then you can wave a still at, and more films then Police Acedemy!

Again, the list goes on, it's not just games that've been milked for more then they're worth!

Quote: "blame the consumers"

and the people in marketing!

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You forget Dr. Mario. God that was insulting.

EDIT: And hey, whether this stuff is just gona keep being recycled and released is
Quote: "directly proportional to whether or not you idiots stop falling for it. "
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And yes, that includes rushing to buy a new Final Fantasy or Mario just because you have fond memories of the oldskool versions.

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http://www.smbhq.com/list.htm

109 games including cameos damn he gets around.

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A simple language translation for 1 game doesnt count as 2 seperate games...

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@Leys - Was that shot taken from the C64 version of Super Mario Bros? I remember that--- it was great I don't think it was legit though, heheh...

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idk, just the first shot I found on google, lol. Thought it looked a bit...off.

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Quote: "F*** OFF you banned retard!"


Where did THAT come from?


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Raven just can't handle being president of Nintendo when so many people don't like him.

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Hey, people, I didn't mean for this to be a "lets have a riot and slag off other people while were at it" thread. I was just making a point that Nintendo seems to have re-used old ideas more than ,say, sony or microsoft. Sure, I sarcasmed it a bit, but thats just how I am.
I know that loads of ppl recycle good ideas, but come on!
Paper Mario? Mario Tennis? Please! If anyone has actually watched The decline of video gaming, you might have noticed that in 2059, There is a whole board of mario games, from "Mario does the weekly shopping" to "Mario sets the VCR" to "Mario visits the toilet". It's scary just thinking about these future games. What's even scarier is that mario/zelda/pokemon games are edging closer and closer to this pitiful waste of a CD/Cart.
You could argue that Nintendo are " giving the ppl what they want" or "they are appealing to the mass market", but it just looks like they are deliberately milking these games for every last cent they're worth.It just seems a shame that something as noble as "Legend of Zelda" has resorted to such diminishing and effortless affairs as "Legend of Zelda: The Minish cap" and "Legend of Zelda: The Lampshade of No Real Significance". (Guess which one is made up).
Just to sum up, yes, Sony,Microsoft do re-use ideas, it's just they don't do it as frequently or as blatantly as nintendo. I mean, I just looked up mario in play.com, and I saw "Super Mario 64 DS". It's hardly original, and adds very little (if anything) to the original 64 game. I hope to god that no-one reading this now goes out and buys a copy.

Like I said before,
Aaargh! Mario invades us all!


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Quote: "I mean, I just looked up mario in play.com, and I saw "Super Mario 64 DS". It's hardly original, and adds very little (if anything) to the original 64 game"


Can you play Super Mario 64 in the car? In the elevator? On the bus to school?

Quote: "Paper Mario? Mario Tennis? Please! If anyone has actually watched The decline of video gaming, you might have noticed that in 2059, There is a whole board of mario games, from "Mario does the weekly shopping" to "Mario sets the VCR" to "Mario visits the toilet". It's scary just thinking about these future games"


Just because some TV show predicted it, doesn't mean it is going to happen. I highly doubt Nintendo will make a game called "Mario sets the VCR" I actually find Paper Mario very fun, Mario Tennis isn't cheesy at all either. Just because it sounds bad doesn't mean it is dumb. I am going to take a stab in the dark and say you do not own a Gamecube and have not played a majority of the games you are putting down.

Word.
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You do realise that they don't actually know what games there are going to be in 2059 don't you? You make it sound like the whole thing is based on solid facts...

[Edit Posted at the same time...]

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More importantly, who *really* cares?

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Quote: "Sony,Microsoft do re-use ideas, it's just they don't do it as frequently or as blatantly as nintendo"

They definately would if they could.

Quote: "Paper Mario? Mario Tennis? Please!"

Have you actually played any of these games? I'm guessing no, you are just calling them stupid because they have a similar title.

Quote: "I am going to take a stab in the dark and say you do not own a Gamecube and have not played a majority of the games you are putting down."

I'll do the same. Stab stab.


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Quote: " I don't do it after every post. I only do it after you start telling people what to do, just like a mod."

isnt that every post?

i personally own a GC, my friend has an XBox and my other friend has a PS2.
i only like 1 maybe 2 games from the xbox that my friend has (he owns about 20-30 games, and they're high rated games too), i dont like any games on my friends PS2, and i have about 10-15 games for my GC, love them all.

and you guys can say the same thing but change it, some love the XBox because the games that they have are for them.
battling which is the greatest is kinda like battling who's religion is the most correct.

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I beg to differ, but sure you can go with that.


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Ok, so maybe I was wrong on that one. Actually, that was quite a good call. So, it looks like I have a lot of quotes to catch up on...
Quote: " going to be in 2059 don't you? You make it sound like the whole thing is based on solid facts...
"

I never said it was fact. What I actually said was, these games (like the ones described above) are getting nearer and nearer to this meager standard all the time. Like these examples: Pokemon Channel.(Hmmm I make pikachu watch his favorite tv channel. Joy.).Dr Mario.Man, I'd like to have been at that company meeting-"Right fellows, why don't we rip off tetris, stick Mario's mug on it, and watch the $$$ roll in?
*mutterings of agreeance*

On with the next quote:
Quote: ""Sony,Microsoft do re-use ideas, it's just they don't do it as frequently or as blatantly as nintendo"
They definately would if they could."

What the h@ll is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that sony doesn't have any valid mascots? Because they do, you know. Such as...
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro the dragon
Solid Snake
Jin Kadama
Jak and Daxter
Ratchet and Clank
Parappa the Rapper
Saminosuke
Tommy Verceti/CJ
Lara Croft
... and many others besides.

Quote: "Can you play Super Mario 64 in the car? In the elevator? On the bus to school?"

No. But then again, who would want to?

Earlier, someone pointed out that everyone re-uses games, which they do, but this is getting ridiculous. 7 Mario Party games. At least 15 Legend of Zelda games.Loads of Pokemon games. I'm sorry?... How many games has mario been in?... What's that? ...How many???
109? 109!!! *blood vessel bursts, then man promptly dies*

See what i'm getting at here? And don't give me that about
"ooh,Final Fantasy XII", because at least six of those games weren't even on Sony's consoles.

Quote: "Quote: "I am going to take a stab in the dark and say you do not own a Gamecube and have not played a majority of the games you are putting down."
I'll do the same. Stab stab."


The same goes for you. Surely you can't have played every single game you've slagged off.It's against nature. I'm sure that you haven't owned a ps2, and hated every game that's ever come out on it.
It's wrong, it just doesn't happen.

Any way, a little longer down this line of threads, you may have noticed a group of people having a right good go at sony and ps2 for no valid reason whatsoever. So don't tell me to quit. have a visit. It is...
Who thinks slimline ps2s are useless?

Oh, and, just to add insult to injury...


Go Sony!

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Go Sony?

How about no...

Your just like the 127712817281278 other drones that "cant do without there damn PS2"...


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How about yes?

Quote: "Your just like the 127712817281278 other drones that "cant do without there damn PS2"..."


This statement just proves that PS2's are way more popular (ie. more consoles/games been sold) than X*ox or GameC*be. I guess more people like the games available to PS2 than the others.

But, like Joel said earlier, this argument is utterly pointless and does nothing whatsoever. Which is why I just spent half an hour typing this up.(damn...)












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Quote: "What the h@ll is that supposed to mean?"

Well, its only sense to try and sell something as much as possible. Otherwise you are pretty stupid IMO.

Quote: "Surely you can't have played every single game you've slagged off.It's against nature. I'm sure that you haven't owned a ps2, and hated every game that's ever come out on it"

The only games I slag off are games I don't like, not games that people have told me they don't like. You see, I have my own opinion, obviously you haven't. Fact is, you are spouting off crap you know nothing about. You've just heard someone say "Nintendo reuses ideas too much" and thought "Well, I don't know exactly if this is true, but lets pretend it is so I can vent my anger off that I didn't get my ice cream by saying how crap they are!".


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Crash Bandicoot - 3 multi system games, 3 gba games
Spyro the dragon - 1 multi system game, 4 gba games, 1 ds game in queue
Solid Snake - ported to gamecube & xbox
Jin Kadama - Is this someone from Tekken? If so Tekken is on GBA and in the arcade is published by Namco0no connection with Sony. I've never seen fighting game characters make strong lead characters, though it would be interesting.
Parappa the Rapper - It's original, but it's not too terribly popular.
Saminosuke - This guy's from Onimusha right? It would work were it not for the fact that Onimusha games (not necessarily with Saminosuke in them) have appeared on Xbox and GBA and there's talk of one for DS.
Tommy Verceti/CJ - Except GTA is out for PC and Xbox, odds are more in MS's favor if anyone's.


In reality Sony has 4 things to work with:
Jak and Daxter
Ratchet and Clank
Lara Croft
FF7

I don't think the FF7 stuff will go because it deviates from the series' premise, and like you said FF was on other consoles. Though this one was wildly popular.
Lara Croft's last couple games have stunk, so if they want to use this they have to pick up the pace. Sony could use it were it not for the fact that series' resurrector, Tomb Raider Legend, is coming out not just for PS2 but also Xbox, Xbox360, and PC.

Jak and Daxter, and Ratchet and Clank are always the ones that I hear PS2 being praised for. It would be a smart move on Sony's part to nourish these two.


What Nintendo has over Sony and Microsoft is that most of their franchises are original IP, developed in house. Microsoft lucked out with Master Chief being the idol of testerone-pumped young gentlemen, and they were smart to buy up Bungie. You can see that Sony is starting too see how useful this is with all the new FF7 games.

Some of the ripoff games aren't the greatest, but they're a better than most games. Mario Tennis64 is one of my all time favorite games. As is Mario Kart and Super Smash Brothers. If this games were all junk it probably wouldn't help, but Nintendo actually tries to make good games.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 05:07 Edited at: 20th Jul 2005 05:15
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Quote: " What the h@ll is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that sony doesn't have any valid mascots? Because they do, you know. Such as...
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro the dragon
Solid Snake
Jin Kadama
Jak and Daxter
Ratchet and Clank
Parappa the Rapper
Saminosuke
Tommy Verceti/CJ
Lara Croft"

If I am not mistaken Solid Snake was orginally on the Nintendo Console and they still have Metal Gear games for nintendo consoles. Lara Croft was for other systems too. Like the PC for a example and Nintendo GB.
Guess what crass bandicoot is on all three systems. And its not the offical sony mascot. Spyro the dragon Is for other systems also. Most of the games that I see on the list are devloped by other companys. Never heard of Jin Kadama tho. I know Parappa the Rapper was made by sony.

Dude your just a fanboy. I love ps2-Xbox(not the hard drive)-GameCube and pretty much any system with a fun game.

I bet you don't even know that PS was suppose to be a attachment for the Super NES.

If I were you. I would not get mad at a company that makes most of the games for there own hardware and pretty much supports them selfs. Sony publishes more games than devlopes them.

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Quote: "hat the h@ll is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that sony doesn't have any valid mascots? Because they do, you know. Such as...
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro the dragon
Solid Snake
Jin Kadama
Jak and Daxter
Ratchet and Clank
Parappa the Rapper
Saminosuke
Tommy Verceti/CJ
Lara Croft
... and many others besides."

Just because a character appeared on a console doesn't make him a company mascot.
I agree with Crash Bandicoot and Spyro, but Lara Croft isn't a sony mascot so she's not theirs to exploit the way Nintendo does with Mario. And another thing, none of the characters you mentioned are anywhere near as popular as mario. No use making hundreds of Crash Bandicoot games if they're not going to sell. I've never even heard of Ratchet and Clank.

Quote: "Quote: "Can you play Super Mario 64 in the car? In the elevator? On the bus to school?"
No. But then again, who would want to?"

Anybody who's a fan of the game, the same way you're a Sony fan.

And don't call me a Nintendo fan...

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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 05:24
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Quote: "Hop I have brought up a fair point."

Nope.

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Quote: "I've never even heard of Ratchet and Clank."


Freak.

And Sony would rather donate all thier funds to Bill Gates and charity before they make Parappa the Rapper their mascot.


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Quote: "I've never even heard of Ratchet and Clank."


Almost as good as Jazz JackRabbit

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Better than Jazz Jackrabbit.


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Posted: 20th Jul 2005 09:18 Edited at: 20th Jul 2005 09:18
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Nintendo's tendency to "re-use" their creations is hardly a problem.

Sony committed a worse act by spamming its library with endless hoards of crap games (I know because I rent games frequently). What is the ratio of good to bad games?
Not to mention Sony's inflated console sale numbers due to the poor quality of their console. I am on my second PS2 and I know two others personally who are on their 4th and 3rd.

You are officially a Hype Whore.

Before you knock the games, play them and find out their quality. If you have your gaming choices based on the opinions of others, you are a tool.
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