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Geek Culture / Longhorn to be called Windows Vista

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Zero Blitzt
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Posted: 22nd Jul 2005 23:49
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1839724,00.asp

Catch the reference and win.


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Hawkeye
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Posted: 22nd Jul 2005 23:57
That's a... stupid name How is Vista cool?

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 00:54
I'm 99% sure its a type of window, so Microsoft was trying to be clever since their product is called Windows....


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Eric T
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 01:03
I feel sorry for this company:

http://www.vistawindows.com.au/

heh

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:41
Longhorn is a much better name.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:47
I would have suggested "Windows Hinges".


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:48
I did like longhorn better, they should go to true 64 bit and call it Windows64 and buy Nintendo. Then the ultimate leet gaming sys would be the XNES364.. It would be like uber cool.

Point is: Who cares?

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dark coder
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:51
@empty, how about 'Windows smash'

@keaz wouldent it be called, windows unrealiable and crashes alot?


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:53
Quote: "I would have suggested "Windows Hinges"."


That's good, but I think Windows Panes would have been more fitting.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:54 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2005 04:55
Quote: "wouldent it be called, windows unrealiable and crashes alot?"

What? Is there a mac user in our midst? Quick call the Master Chief and get this one put down.

[Edit] J.K. No flame intended.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:55
'Comon Windows XP is really stable, far more so than 98 at least. I'm sure the next one will be even better.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 04:59 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2005 05:00
That's because it was designed after the core of NT and not 95 and NT was originally designed for business and stability instead of fancy multimedia bells and whistles. (but they put those back in for XP).

My XP hasn't crashed yet once I learned the ins and outs of it.

[Edit] Knock on wood. Please, don't crash me great computer gods of fate.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 05:17
I havnt had my computer crash at all, i havnt had to do a windows reinstall yet (well, i have reformated my hard drive a lot just to have it be nice and fresh, not because of windows) so i dont know what you are talking about dark coder, you are just talking from your butt, like every other linux/mac fanboy, who really doesnt know what they're talking about

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 05:44
Oh come on now Joel, I have Linux and Windows on the same computer, I know what i'm talking about . I've only needed to reinstall Windows once, it was getting slow. That was earlier this year, so I went however many years with a stable XP.


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 07:55
I've only ever seen one version of Windows that never crashed, that was Windows 3.11.

You know, if they planned a release date of June 6th 2006, they'd have a reason to call in Windows 666!

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Keaz
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 08:03
This proves it. Bill Gates is the anti-christ.
Quote: "You know, if they planned a release date of June 6th 2006, they'd have a reason to call in Windows 666!"

It is scheduled for Summer '06.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 08:44
Quote: "It is scheduled for Summer '06."


No it isn't. It's schedualed for Q3 2006, read the freaking Microsoft website. I would guess that it's most likely to be launched in August 2006, to provide them with a 1year Beta program.

As for Windows XP Crashed. I've never had a Windows XP BSOD without it being my fault, or because of faulty hardware.

I have experienced a number of unexplained instabilities in programs and the desktop though. Nothing really major though.
This can also be said about Linux though, there are some minor issues with some programs crashing randomly for no apparent reason. (in Linux they just go poof, in Windows it's more verbose but the same bloody deal the app has crashed)

This said who the hell cares about Windows XP, at the heart it uses 10years of hacked technology.

Microsoft Windows Vista has been redesign and redeveloped from the ground up to be a stable, secure and fast performance operating system to meet todays business and multi-media needs.

It will be the first ever Microsoft Windows to have a Public Beta. From August 3rd, you will be allowed to freely download and contribute, sending them bug reports on the new Operating System.

With 360days of Worldwide public Beta testing, quite frankly this is going to end up as one hell of an Operating System. No other company has provided such a long-term beta or seemlessly integrated for testing for any software.

It's takent them 4years just to reach this point. So this is quite exciting.

Further more it doesn't need to be Windows 32bit or 64bit. The IT Launch version is capable of running on either PPC or X86 Processors in either 32bit or 64bit formats. Microsoft claim this should be quite seemless, but then again that's what the Beta testing is for.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 09:05
Quote: "No it isn't. It's schedualed for Q3 2006, read the freaking Microsoft website."


Isn't Q3, Juli, August and September?
And isn't ist summer from June 21 till September 21?

I would call Q3 summer.. Sorry to be this off topic, but well.. Just had to say that tbh.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 09:16
Maybe MS will moved it up for numerical signicance

Come on people, it was satire. I'm sorry I was slightly off by a month. Will the great forum gods ever forgive me.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 10:09
Quote: "Isn't Q3, Juli, August and September?
And isn't ist summer from June 21 till September 21?

I would call Q3 summer.. Sorry to be this off topic, but well.. Just had to say that tbh."


Summer is June 22nd - August 21st
3rd Quarter is July, August, Sepetember

So I guess it depends on your viewpoint. I've always considered Quarter 3 to be Fall, simply because it's easier saying Q1 = Spring, Q2 = Summer, Q3 = Fall, Q4 = Winter.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 10:17 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2005 10:18
Spring: 2x march to 2x june
Summer: 2x june to 2x september
Fall: 2x september to 2x december
Winter: 2x december to 2x march

Each is 3 months actually, so summer really ends in september. Again sorry to be so off topic, I should start a private discussion or something, but I always like to point it out when I'm right, sorry for that..

To contribute something to the topic: I think Windows Vista is a well.. Strange name. I don't quiet like it, but I will get used to it, I guess.

EDIT: Some typo's. And to Raven, I understand your viewpoint, I just wanted to say this thing about the Seasons.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 10:36
They should of called it "Cracked Windows", it would be the ultimate anti-piracy tool. Then the crackers would have no clue what to do:

"Sir, erm... its already cracked..."
"Whaddya mean its cracked?"
"It, erm, says 'cracked windows' on the box"
"Well, lets just give up and get back to cracking Adobe Photoshop 10"

Oh the confusing it would cause:

"Hey dude! I got a cracked version of cracked windows with crackin new technology in its cracked file system"

Heheh

Windows Vista sucks...

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 10:51 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2005 10:54
Yeah, each season goes for 3 months, not 2, that's why there's only 4 seasons: 4 * 3 = 12. Ta-Da! However, down here, it's quite different:

Summer: December 1st - February 28th
Autumn: March 1st - May 31st
Winter: June 1st - August 31st
Spring: September 1st - November 30th

Fascinating, yeah? Now onto other things...


Quote: "I feel sorry for this company:

http://www.vistawindows.com.au/"


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 13:47
In the end, who cares about the name? I mean, it's better than Windows 8.0, which it might have been if they just incremented the numbers.

What really matters is the performance, and whether it's worth updating XP for.

And what's this about Microsoft abandoning the whole .NET full architecture for Windows? Is this why they renamed it from Longhorn?


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 14:29 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2005 14:30
Quote: "Is this why they renamed it from Longhorn?"


Longhorn was just a codename, it was never the official title for the next version. They do this with every version of Windows (Windows XP was Whistler), and many companies such as Adobe give their products development codenames as well (Photoshop 7 was Liquid Sky, Photoshop CS was Dark Matter, etc).


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 15:35
You guys have got it all wrong.

Spring - January 11 - March 14
Summer March 15 - October 15
Fall October 16-November 30
Winter December 1 - January 10

Windows Vista? That kind of sounds like my street...ends in "Vista". Is there anything really revolutionary about it though? Or just more promised stability and idiot-proof-ness?


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 17:24
Quote: "You guys have got it all wrong.

Spring - January 11 - March 14
Summer March 15 - October 15
Fall October 16-November 30
Winter December 1 - January 10"


You're clearly drunk.


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 20:32
Quote: "And what's this about Microsoft abandoning the whole .NET full architecture for Windows? Is this why they renamed it from Longhorn?"


you never thought it was odd how they always (even on the new website) refer to it as 'Codename Longhorn'?

Quote: "You're clearly drunk."

Haha. Wish he was in charge of making up the seasons when I were a kid, image a 5month Summer Break

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 20:45
Quote: "That's good, but I think Windows Panes would have been more fitting."

Indeed, it would, wouldn't it?


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 22:03
Do you think they'll have a CD version of the open beta? I'd really like to try it out but the computer I want to use only has a CD-ROM drive (its very old).

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2005 22:54
Quote: "Haha. Wish he was in charge of making up the seasons when I were a kid, image a 5month Summer Break"


Conversely, it'd mean we'd have a 5-month Winter down here.


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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 00:55
I know that Longhorn was just a codename--- I was half sarcastic in that post. I just find it funny that MS, with all their money and power, can't figure out why the .NET architecture was borked in Longhorn, so they just abandoned it altogether.

It is a little funny.


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It wasn't because they couldn't figure out issues with .NET in Longhorn. In-fact the early .NET Kernel Beta's ran bloody awesome.

This all actually comes down to something far more simple, and business-wise can extremely expose Microsoft's weakness to competitors.

They didn't want to break compatibility.
Alright you can argue that non of the previous Windows platforms have exactly provided 'perfect' compatibility and I don't doubt that Vista will be no exception.

Yet there is a difference between, providing 99% Backward Compatibility and forcing the development community to choose between the tried and tested Windows XP-Series or Windows Vista.

Don't get thier move wrong. They still support .NET in the exact same way as they support many other attributes of previous Windows platforms. So .NET will run natively in Vista, the difference is simply it'll still be running seperate from the Kernel not as part of it. They've also not taken this as an oppertunity to remain purely on the X86. Vista was designed to finally be a worthy replacement to Windows NT 3.5 and that's exactly what Microsoft plan to provide.

So being able to use it on your SPARC, X86, PPC, and ARM-Based Computers will still be possible.

Microsoft (as do the Linux Community) believe that .NET just isn't technologically ready for implimentation and acceptance yet. The estimate put-forward is 2010 will be when Microsoft believe enough business' will have moved to .NET for it to become a financially sound decision to drop Win32 native-support.

So in terms of what Vista means on the evolutionary scale, then really what your looking at is exactly what Valve did for Half-Life 2.

Source is deep down identical to Half-Life, with some new gadgets, gizmos and alike. While Half-Life can be patched for physics and such, Source is doing it all natively now. So much quicker, much more stable, lessons in secure have been learnt and developed at the lowest levels rather than patched as they're discovered.

So in terms of what is possible, we're not looking at a huge leap technically speaking.

Visually, yes it is far more stunning. Many Linux users will be happy to see the level of customisation made possible with Avalon (AXML) for the User Interface, and also being able to have some quite visually stunning abilities will also be something to look forward to.

Multiple Desktops, Fully Customisable Sidebar, Scriptable Transparency, Scriptable Layouts, DirectX Integration, etc.

Desktop Theme/Style developers are just going to be like children in a candy store. One of the Beta Styles, was called 'GameCube' showing what was possible. With a single Avalon Script it was possible to change the entire desktop to run just like the GameCube 3D Menu System.

So there is definately some major room for flexibility and personalisation now.

The visual side of things isn't the only thing that has changed either. All of the memory is now handled by .NET, utilising Garbage Collection. Generally before Windows XP wasn't actually that poor with the memory itself, only some old application designs were. For example Explorer just would horde memory like a Jack Russel even after being released. Vista is now able to make sure that anything an application uses is deleted when it's not in use.

When you combine this with libraries that use between 3/4, or 1/2 the memory they previously did. Not to mention the speed increases on general operations due to cleaner code running less independant error checks. Then you can imagine that using the exact same settings as Windows XP and you computer will run quite noticebly faster with less available.

There is a Microsoft Games Studio MMORPG in development that will run as your desktop background without really adversely affecting your desktop speed. Such things are now possible with true multi-threading with the libraries rather than the previous stack method to emulate threading. You'll notice it most on the new Multi-Core Processors.

I believe Microsoft are finally on the right track with thier Operating System. While no doubt both Linux and Windows communities will continue to bash each other for sometime to come, the new design of Vista is going to seriously close the gap and shed the old addage of Unstable Windows.

Vista really does stand as a touch of innovation in the way of allowing the user so much access over how to use and utilise his/her system while at the same time making sure they don't have to worry about any of the complicated background stuff.

Some key element have obviously been learnt not only from thier past platforms, but also from thier recent work with some Unix solutions for external companies. I also believe they've learnt something about Media Interaction from Media Center and X-Box Live!
X-Box Dashboard is really showing that this is the case also.

So I think although it isn't quite the Evolutionary step we had hoped for. It should become the missing-link that allows Microsoft to finally break free of the aging 16/32bit formats.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 03:17 Edited at: 24th Jul 2005 03:18
Your post hurts my broadband connection.

Anyway; I hope stuff from XP still runs on Longhorn! If it doesn't, what are TCG going to do?
If it doesn't, then I sure ain't buying Longhorn.


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Any Lucky few going to Uni who will get this version of windows early?


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This fo' serious?

Word.
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Quote: "This fo' serious?"


Yeah, if you hold down 'Ctrl' whilst opening the 'About' dialog, then you'll see a different About screen with an alternate image and the text 'DarkMatter'.


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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 22:51
Quote: "Anyway; I hope stuff from XP still runs on Longhorn! If it doesn't, what are TCG going to do?
If it doesn't, then I sure ain't buying Longhorn."


If the Closed Beta was any indication, the previous Windows Applications should run pretty flawlessly.

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aw raven... has ANYTHING ever come out as they say it will. Windows is well, windows, and does what windows usally does. Which is provide a platform for you to be hacked.

It should have been called Xediox IX

Notice the X's, would DEFINATLY make the product sell better.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 09:55
Windows Basher. It is going to be very good, and I hope raven is right, then I will cry with joy.
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Posted: 29th Jul 2005 05:01
i leave my windows open all the time in summer
sometimes bugs fly into the open window.

like the analogy ?

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Posted: 29th Jul 2005 05:34 Edited at: 29th Jul 2005 05:35
Quote: "Anyway; I hope stuff from XP still runs on Longhorn! If it doesn't, what are TCG going to do?
If it doesn't, then I sure ain't buying Longhorn"

Most stuff will most likely run well, except if you have a processor with the Execution Disable Bit "feature". That will probably make a few videogame emulators stop working.

Unless said feature can be disabled...

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