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Keemo1000
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Hey, im planning on using the java application server for my online game , but will it make your graphics worse and less detailed a bit ? Because i believe that games that are downloaded are of higher quality ?

Any help is appreciated

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Undercover Steve
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Posted: 1st Aug 2005 12:44
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err..no. It will have the same graphics (2d) as other games0.o
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Keemo1000
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Posted: 1st Aug 2005 15:29
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The last thing i want to see is my graphics turning into runescape's . Can I make 3d graphics using a java application server ?

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Before you even think of making an online game, do research into how they work, as clearly you have no idea. The server only handles data transfer between clients, the actual client applications themselves handle the 3D regardless of what the server is written in.

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Quote: "Before you even think of making an online game, do research into how they work, as clearly you have no idea."


I think he needs to step even further backward and take a lesson on logic and common sense.


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Keemo1000
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2005 14:16
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heh , spelling mistake , i meant that can i use good 3d graphics without my javaserver ruining it ?

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In what way would it ruin graphics ? Corrupt it ? Downgrade it ? Remove it altogether ?

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Posted: 2nd Aug 2005 16:43
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Seriously...rewind and ask a question that makes sense!

A Java Application Server has no relevance whatsoever to 3D graphics.

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Do a forum search for DarkTopia, it was a 3D chat world, using a java server.

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Yes, but I bet the client wasn't Java. He's talking about an application server affecting 3D graphics. The application server does the number crunching and data transfer, the client does the 3D work.

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Exactly my point, the server has no affect on the final look of the project as long as it performs what it needs to do

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I wrote a lightcycles game using OpenGL with Java. It worked fine.


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Have to agree with you there, java done correctly does not have to be slow. Myself and a mate once entered a competition where we had to make a lemmings clone, we made it in java, and it ran at perfect speed, even with about a hundred sprites on screen.

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Even a sphere made in milkshape would look better (and sharper) than any character model for runescape , does that mean that runescape's models were supposed to be sharp , but became worse when it was on a java application server ? Or did Jagex WANT runescape's graphics to look like that ?

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Posted: 5th Aug 2005 16:25
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Quote: "but became worse when it was on a java application server ?"


No.


Quote: "Or did Jagex WANT runescape's graphics to look like that ?"


Either that or they weren't very good graphics artists.


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Posted: 5th Aug 2005 18:41
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Even I know the client takes care of the graphics

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I've played Runescape... They have 2k players connected to a server doing almost all the work since the company got tired of people cheating.

The models are like that to cut down on lag.

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Quote: "The models are like that to cut down on lag."

Unless you define 'lag' as general choppyness, nope. The graphics are ALWAYS processed by the client, as there is no way for a server to do so. Lag is caused by slow internet connections, not heavy graphics operations.

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One 800 * 600 screen = 480,000 pixels. At 24 bit, that would be 1.4 megabytes of data per screen.

It doesn't take a genius, honest

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Quote: "Lag is caused by slow internet connections, not heavy graphics operations."


Well there is such a thing as machine lag.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2005 16:57
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Quote: "Quote: "but became worse when it was on a java application server ?"

No.


Quote: "Or did Jagex WANT runescape's graphics to look like that ?"

Either that or they weren't very good graphics artists. "


Quote: " Even I know the client takes care of the graphics "


Quote: "The models are like that to cut down on lag."


Quote: " Lag is caused by slow internet connections, not heavy graphics operations.
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Thanks alot , i hope my clients all have broadbands !

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Just so you know, I assume the "The models are like that to cut down on lag." thing, is lag on the client. If a 500mhz machine has gotta push around 15000 poly models, it has less time to tender for connection. Plus the fact that the client end has to download these models.


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Posted: 10th Aug 2005 13:41
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uhhhhh

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In Runescape, the models are downloaded prior to playing.

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What I meant was, yes, to cut down on client-side choppiness, since the game was designed in a way to let as many people play it as possible, the screen is about 800x600, the graphics are low-poly, all the client needs is a browser and java to run it. The models are made to be usable on old machines.

Or they're just lazy.

Point is, Java doesn't mess up your graphics/games at all.

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The DT server was written in java whilst the client was in DBP. It had good graphics.

I wrote the server myself, the client was wrote by my colleagues.

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if you have heard fo agame called (Chaos Legion )You would notice its brilliant graphics , and its also pretty much better than any other online game that has good graphics too . My dream/mission is to make graphics like these for my game , but how could be possible when im using a java server ? I know a server doesnt help in making better/worser graphics now , but is it possible if i have good modelling skills ??

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Quote: "I know a server doesnt help in making better/worser graphics now , but is it possible if i have good modelling skills"


Please stop with the incredibly vague questions. Of COURSE good modelling skills are handy for graphics. Who can argue that?? It takes more than graphics to make a fun game.


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