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UnderLord
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Anyone know of any downloadable tools that will help me make a website using frames? or even one that will generate the code for me if i tell it what i want? ( i hate to program and edit frame code but its nice to have on a site)

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:07 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2005 17:07
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4 words:

Dreamweaver.


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Merranvo
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:30
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Frames=Evil

Use tables...

and HTML is rather easy, programs like dreamweaver will over complicate your source, but that is to be expected.

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if you have microsoft office, just use frontpage, its very easy to use and contrary to what many people think, can actually output some decent code as long as you use it correctly.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:39 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2005 17:42
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I honestly never seen a single a visually good webpage made with Frontpage in my entire internet life.


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Ace Of Spades
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Well, any page that I have seen so far can be created with relative ease with Microsoft Frontpage, the html part of it anyway. Most people seem to dislike it because the fact that it is not very "flexible" but it is actually very flexible, you just have to know what you are doing.

Anyway, for frames, it is extremely easy in frontpage anyway. File-->new , then select a frame template, and edit it from there.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:44 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2005 17:45
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but plenty of bad ones, I have seen. Front Page is horrible, but Microsoft loves it, because people hate it so much Microsoft will now combind Word and Page to force people to use it. Give me a break.

On top of that, people who use frontpage typically end up using microsoft clip art, and how gay is that?

Frames are EVIL, use tables.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:47
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For once, I agree.


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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 18:09
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Quote: " I honestly never seen a single a visually good webpage made with Frontpage in my entire internet life.
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Microsoft.com?

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For some reason, I highly dought Microsoft used their own crummy tool to create their webpage. Do they use MSpaint to grate their logo and advertisments?


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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 19:01
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Quote: "Do they use MSpaint to grate their logo and advertisments?"

Oh but they do. They have hundreds of monkeys doing each pixel

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 19:04 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2005 19:04
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Quote: "For some reason, I highly dought Microsoft used their own crummy tool to create their webpage. Do they use MSpaint to grate their logo and advertisments? "


Have you seen the stupid comic that Microsoft got their name from? Man, that is sad

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The Judy Patch site was made by frontpage (or it had that little "made with frontpage" in it) mind you, it is killed. Rather stupidly too, she now expects us to believe that she got hacked! Her hard drive has been stolen!

Microst's site has dreamweaver written all over it, not as bad as FrontPage which generates 10kb source while DW gens 2kb. So there is a difference between DW and FP, FP drains bandwith, DW doesn't.

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Jeku
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 22:11
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Yah, because 10kb is sooooo much larger and more straining than 2kb. Welcome to 1999, Merranvo

And by the way, Dreamweaver does NOT export crap code as compared to most of the other editors. It is the cleanest code possible, aside from using straigh-up Notepad, because it has a Tidy HTML option that removes redundant tags and even auto-indents. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.


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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 22:35
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I WAS refering to directly coding it, direct coding is typically better.

10k 2k... if you are on dialup, which is still 2005, then what do you prefer. And not even that. Jeku, do you program and leave 8000 redundant characters in your files?

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I would say frontpage and dreamweaver are very good programs but i would use fireworks.

Quote: "On top of that, people who use frontpage typically end up using microsoft clip art, and how gay is that?
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Quote: " I honestly never seen a single a visually good webpage made with Frontpage in my entire internet life."


These both are faults of the programmer/drag and droper, and not the program its self.

And microsoft web pages are asp so they proberly would use frontpage over dreamweaver.

Any spelling mistakes are totally In tensional.
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Try Namo web editor.

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Posted: 4th Aug 2005 04:41
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If anyone honesly wants to go the distance with web development, using Frontpage is laughable.


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Quote: " If anyone honesly wants to go the distance with web development, using Frontpage is laughable."


Well i believe he just wanted to make simple websites with frames without having to learn any code rather than go deeply into web development. Yea, if you ARE going "the distance" with web development, I would higly reccommend learning all the needed programming and using a tool called "Notepad++", its like notepad, but with programming extras.

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Check this out:http://www.thefreecountry.com/webmaster/htmleditors.shtml

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Posted: 4th Aug 2005 06:03
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I already know HTML just been awhile =\ and i hate frames but its still good ot have for a frontpage.

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Posted: 4th Aug 2005 06:04 Edited at: 4th Aug 2005 06:05
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Quote: "Jeku, do you program and leave 8000 redundant characters in your files?"


Of course not (not on purpose, anyways ). But the fact that you said it "drained bandwidth" on the web server made me laugh out loud. Call me bored.


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oh i have this one that will do it downlaoded it along time ago didnt even know it'd do frames for you! its called MPS HTMLgate

i do believe you can find it here [href]www.webattack.com[/href]

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Posted: 4th Aug 2005 07:26 Edited at: 5th Aug 2005 03:00
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WTF... mods keep editing my posts, I did not post that . I can't keep track of what I am posting half the time. No it does NOT bloody well drain bandwith, unless you have a 5mb bandwidth...

I think I was going to say that 2kb would run better then the 10kb, less commands to execute and what not.

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For fun, see how the edited date appears above here when a mod edits the post? Therefore, your previous post wasn't edited by a mod

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It was a joke... I hadn't realized what I had posted, I still don't belive that I posted "Drains Bandwidth" man, that is AWFUL.

(or mabey it was edited by an admin, who deleted my post and impersonated me...)

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LOL you guys are funny =P

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No, just very weird.


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Yeah well my site is sorta up i got some forums on there and a shout box. VISIT IT. the DBP/dbc area won't be up for awhile though.

http://www.darkuniverse.net

Ima work on it more this weekend.

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don't use frames, it is very unprofessional. And don't show the frame bar, or allow resize (but hiding the frame bar does the same thing)

also you need to call the name "right" in your href. I haven't used frames in a decade, so I forget the commands.

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Posted: 5th Aug 2005 08:09
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Quote: "I honestly never seen a single a visually good webpage made with Frontpage in my entire internet life."


That's because the visuals aren't made with Frontpage.


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