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Geek Culture / it`s that steam again

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Me!
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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 16:52
sigh, I seemed cursed with that moronic Steam system, it only went and updated my HL install so that all my custom single player games won`t run so I removed HL2 and steam, then tried to get HL working, but somethings got Fubard and the mouse/movement even a fresh total install and patch are unplayably jerky, sigh!, so I remove halflife again and the extra maps (I can put them on a machine that doesn`t have steam , now I re-install HL2, wants the password, umm, I forgot, no matter, they sent a confirmation receipt, it will be on that ...right?

ROFLMAO

nope!, so I click the lost password button, they send me an e-mail, I fill in the details, but....but....what the hell??? secret question..."who is your childhood hero?"...eh?, wt*, I don`t have one, or rather I have dozens, and I never entered that anyway, tried all those I can think of, no joy, so now I am waiting for the slugs at steam HQ to allow me to use my own copy of the freaking game, I REALY HATE STEAM.

please make a note of this guys, when you create a game don`t make the protection/security so tight that nobody can bear to use the game itself because of all the waiting and barriers placed in the way of a quick blast.

IMO all the steam authors and employees should be fired and the servers piled in a heap and burnt, I think they are gonna have to sort this out before HL3, or they are gonna start wondering where all the customers went.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 17:17
Your an idiot.

a/ Maps for Half-Life will work perfectly in Half-Life: Steam and Half-Life: Source, just move them to
($VALVE)\Steam\SteamApps\($YourEmail)\Half-Life\Maps\ (for Steam)
($VALVE)\Steam\SteamApps\($YourEmail)\Half-Life Source\Maps\

They are then accessible from within Half-Life, only you need to make sure to turn on the Console (~ or ¬) key in Controls->Advanced.

b/ You don't need to uninstall Steam, or Half-Life Source or Half-Life 2 in order to install Half-Life Standard. They're 100% independant of each other.

c/ Your Password Secret Question is what you choose when making your account. Valve don't just go around randomly making up questions based on the secret information they're obviously stealing from your computer. :rolls eyes:
YOU made up the question for the answer. So obviously YOU know the answer. Unless you've stolen someone else's account.

d/ Your an idiot. This one is more personal opinion, but I feel many who view this thread will probably agree.

As far as Steam goes, there is nothing wrong with it. I've been using it without any problems since it was released. The early releases were exceptionally buggy when using the engine, but in terms of the Steam Application itself. No real issues.

Sometimes it has timed out with particularly largely popular updates. Like when Half-Life 2 went live, but they've been adding to the network to prevent another overload when Lost Coast goes live in the next month.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 17:31 Edited at: 9th Aug 2005 17:32
Quote: "You don't need to uninstall Steam, or Half-Life Source or Half-Life 2 in order to install Half-Life Standard. They're 100% independant of each other."


That actually depends on the version you have of the original half-life.

My dad has two - a Standard original version, and an 'enhanced' patched version (still the normal one, but with special stuff and obviously patched to the next version).

The standard version (as you said) works fine without unintsalling steam or anything. However, for some reason, the Enhanced version refuses to work what-so-ever when steam is on the machine. It appears with strange errors, reporting that 'steam.exe has caused an abnormal termination'.... but that's a rare problem, and unlikely to be the reason for uninstalling steam in this case

I wouldn't go as far as to bluntly call you an idiot since I don't know alot about steam. I'll leave you to be fried by Raven

Quote: "...when Lost Coast goes live in the next month. "

So what exactly is Loast Coast? An expansion pack or what? I may consider buying it as a birthday present for my Dad; assuming that it isn't some overhyped expansion pack, which adds a couple of Multi-player maps


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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 17:47
Raven...your a big mouthed opiniated twerp, steam sucks, always has, I spend more time waiting for downloads and updates than enough, then when I want to reinstall it I get grief, plus I have to tolerate morons like you who don`t even have an opinion worth listening too.

(a/b) try turning off that selective reading thing of yours...I said that steam had modified HL to source for me (without realy asking) and now it won`t run properly, I removed HL2 and Steam in an attempt to fix the HL problems since I didn`t want steam sticking its digital face into proceedings again, I don`t care what it does on YOUR sodding PC, I want to run it on mine!

(c) your selective reading is going amock again...here...try this
Quote: "secret question..."who is your childhood hero?"...eh?, wt*, I don`t have one, or rather I have dozens, and I never entered that anyway"
see the bit that says "I never entered that anyway"? DUH!, that means I did not use that question for my secret question, I have it noted on the receipt, the note I have is nothing to do with "my childhood hero" they obviously messed up, messing up would pretty simple for someone who could invent steam.

(d) your an offensive jerk, don`t worry though, I won`t hold it against you, you obviously don`t have enough intellect to muster "normal", in fact I still think your a bot (maybe you need defragmenting)

AND infering that I am a thief is highly offensive, you might want edit that out, I BUY my software and can prove it..see attached image.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 18:02 Edited at: 9th Aug 2005 18:03
Now now kiddies - play nicely. If not, someone will have have to get out the Big Red Locked Button.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 18:23
@Me - I wouldn't be so defensive - I personally agree with you. Steam is a REALLY poor piece of software, but not for any of the reasons you said! Lol..

You did create a secret question. Without it you can create and account. Without and account you cant login. Without logging in, you cant play on your PC. Not being able to play on your PC means you might as well take it back to the shop hehe (JOKE!!!)

Dont worry about forgetting stuff like that - I always do it!

The problem with steam is it wont let you play anything if you're behind a firewall (like a Uni or something)...

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 18:32 Edited at: 9th Aug 2005 19:01
Heh, I remember HL2 came out, Best Buy (here is Minnesota) accidently put it on shelves 2 weeks early. They sold ALOT, and among the buyers was my friend. He was so excited, but when he tried to go home and activate it, Steam ruined his fun. Even when the game was officially released, he wasn't able to play due to mysterious Steam errors and many many timeouts. I think it goes a little too far when you purchase a game on CD, you must activate it, sign up for an account, etc. It was even a bigger pain for him because he was on dial-up, and therefore the updates horrible for him, along with just Steam operation in general, every click that had anything to do with activating was a pain. But I guess that's what happens when you are connected at 19200 and have no other connection alternatives [edit]Which the developers of Steam should realize. I mean, the Steam updates are huge for someone on dial-up, hell even for someone on "fast dialup". And as far as the signups, for god sake you're not signing up for an email account, you just wanna play a flippin game. I understand the reasons for Steam, but I think they could have gotten away with something slicker, quicker, lighter weight, and maybe, just maybe, something that ONLY activates the game and protects against the piracy. Geesh, rant over[/edit]

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 18:44
Steam is quite the dogsh*t indeed.


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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 19:05
Quote: "The standard version (as you said) works fine without unintsalling steam or anything. However, for some reason, the Enhanced version refuses to work what-so-ever when steam is on the machine. It appears with strange errors, reporting that 'steam.exe has caused an abnormal termination'.... but that's a rare problem, and unlikely to be the reason for uninstalling steam in this case"


True. I assume when people say they have Half-Life and it was 'converted' this means they have the GOTY/Generations/Etc. Not the Steam Release.

The new Steam Release is just the Steam Cache version that is unlocked when you sign up. This is why it doesn't work when you install it with steam already installed. As it over-writes the files that allow standard operation. Easiest fix is quite simply to reinstall Steam. Then it works fine again.

However as Me! noted in his post, he installed it through Steam. So I don't see this being a particular issue.

Quote: "(a/b) try turning off that selective reading thing of yours...I said that steam had modified HL to source for me (without realy asking) and now it won`t run properly, I removed HL2 and Steam in an attempt to fix the HL problems since I didn`t want steam sticking its digital face into proceedings again, I don`t care what it does on YOUR sodding PC, I want to run it on mine!"


No you didn't. What you wrote was:

"I seemed cursed with that moronic Steam system, it only went and updated my HL install so that all my custom single player games won`t run"

Steam does NOT Update Standard Release Half-Life.
What it does is convert it for Steam use. The reason your Modifications, Single Player Maps, etc. don't work is because Steam doesn't copy them across. As I quite CLEARLY and CONSISELY noted.

You still will have:

C:\Sierra\Half-Life\Valve as you original install directory
and
C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApp\Your@Email.com\Half-Life\ as your new steam install, and actually when it converts until you run it you won't even have that you will just have.

C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApp\Half-Life Engine.gcf
C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApp\Half-Life.gcf

As it doesn't unpack until you run it for the first time.
If you want it to run on your perhaps you should stop ignoring what someone is telling you because you don't like how it was said or the answer you were given.

Quote: "(c) your selective reading is going amock again...here...try this
Quote: "secret question..."who is your childhood hero?"...eh?, wt*, I don`t have one, or rather I have dozens, and I never entered that anyway"
see the bit that says "I never entered that anyway"? DUH!, that means I did not use that question for my secret question, I have it noted on the receipt, the note I have is nothing to do with "my childhood hero" they obviously messed up, messing up would pretty simple for someone who could invent steam."


No selective reading what so-ever. I saw what you wrote and I'm telling you that you either choose a Secret Question from a list to match your answer or you write your own. It's totally automated and compulsary. Much like many online forums like InvisionBoard and such.

If the question isn't what you expected then you only have yourself to blame because it's YOU who sets it. You can only change it once you change you password. Given you forgot your own password, is it not plausable that you might've forgotten what you set your own question and answer as? After all that's the point in the Q&A System, it's a password (not related to you normal password) that you get a hint to help you remember.

It's a good system and used by far many more things than just steam. Again if there are any problems it's YOUR fault, not Valve or Steam.

Quote: "(d) your an offensive jerk, don`t worry though, I won`t hold it against you, you obviously don`t have enough intellect to muster "normal", in fact I still think your a bot (maybe you need defragmenting)"


And your someone who obviously prefers to blame everything else except his own incompetence. Difference is, I know I'm jerk. One day you might realise your an idiot.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 19:46
Awww... I didn't get bashed I wanted response to my paragraph, I've never been based by Raven before

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 20:55
Holy crap, you guys (Raven & Me!) can at least spell "You're" correctly, you big fat morons.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 21:10
dang it all jim, i was going to point that out

because only idiots say:
Quote: " Your an idiot."


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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 22:58 Edited at: 9th Aug 2005 23:01
Hey! I enjoy a rant when things don`t go right and all the world is messing up my perfect system

I solved the problem and Steam WAS partialy to blame, when it "upgraded" HL so that it crashed with errors on startup, I reinstalled the original HL (retaining original settings) but installing must have altered my default render settings in the original HL from OpenGL to D3D (I certainly didn`t do it myself), this made the controls hugely laggy and the whole game unplayable, since Steam was causing problems I assumed it was purely down to steam that the controls lagged, altering it back to OpenGL solved the problem, it`s such a long time since I installed HL that I had forgotten the settings had to be OpenGL to stop the lag until I did some web searching.

steam still had no valid reason to alter anything in the original HL install anyway, and thats ONE of the serious issues I have with it, every time IT thinks I need an upgrade I`m stuffed until IT finishes doing it`s thing, it doesn`t ask if I want this patch or that upgrade, it just puts up that "updateing" progress bar and nothing you can do can force it to play once it gets it into its head theres a update to be had, you can close the network connection or restart or whatever, but it will still insist on doing that download before YOU do another thing.

@ Raven btw I DO have a note of the correct reply to that annoying question on the receipt, it was written down at the time I originaly installed the software, by me, and it isn`t what the question asks, the question is not one I would select anyway, so how they come to that I don`t know, the correct response (to the question I chose) is on a sheet of paper inside the DVD case, it has nothing to do with childhood heros ???

I don`t see any incompetence around here but for people who can`t read all the words in a post in order and think that only they know how to install custom maps in halflife, thats their problem .. not mine.

my little problem is now solved (still waiting on the steam people though), steam IS a pain, some people may get flawless action from it though, all PC`s are not the same, I am realy curious, out of the last ten HL2 games I played, 3 where held up for 5-10 minutes by updates before the game would run, yes I could close the net connection while I run it, but why should I, the last annoyance was a ten minute wait for the bleeding thing to download a multiplayer update, I don`t play multiplayer, I have enough trouble with the bots on medium, I can`t survive 5 seconds in multiplayer online.

but does anyone else get this?, have you gone to start a game and had to wait a long time for downloads/updates?, it can`t be just me that gets this, or am I being unreasonable expecting to just click on an icon and play a level or two in the time it takes to load OFF A LOCAL DISK, not some server the other side of the planet?



@Jimmy and Joel: heh! you are cute pair of twins, funny too in weird kind of way, you sussed me, I don`t use a spollchicker , but I think you could work out just what was being said without resorting to Porton Down cryptology division, or would you like me to post in Psuedoleet ??
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Posted: 9th Aug 2005 23:44


that.. was... a ... long... post!

what does "btw" mean, anyway?

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Good song by the Chilli's that is.

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By the Way i'd like to say no duh! just kidding......yes it is over played though

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