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JoelJ
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Posted: 27th Aug 2005 23:51
I am currently downloading files using a torrent...I use torrents often (legal, like Linux distros and other things) my question is thus:
from what i understand, Torrents are supposed to download REALLY fast (as long as a lot of people are connected), usually i'm downloading around 14kbs...i'm on a Comcast Cable connection, and no one else is downloading.
My question is this, what do you look for when downloading a torrent file (seeds, users, etc)? what is a 'seed' and such?

right now i'm downloading random distros of linux and here is all the info (i'm using BitComet 0.59 two different files):

i dont understand what the seed/peer stuff is
and does the UPLOAD speed affect the DOWNLOAD speed at all?

right now, because of the speed problems, the main reason I actually USE torrents for are huge files, because if the connection drops, i can continue on without a problem.

sorry if my question doesnt make any sence, if it doesnt, just tell me i'm in a hurry right now, i have to get to someones house in a few minutes

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 00:26
Just admit you're downloading DBP.


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TDP Enterprises
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 00:28
@megaton cat: lol

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Kendor
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 01:37
Seeds are the users which have downloaded all the files i.e. 100% complete, and are just there to upload to others.

Peers are the users which are currently downloading the files and not yet completed.

Generally the more seeders, the better, as the torrent can grab data from a larger number of users.

1 + 1 is not 2, is 10
Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 03:15
Also - limit the upload speed... NTL, for example, give 200Kbps upstream. Thats about a maximum of 25kb/s... If I upload at 25kb/s then the modem never gets a chance to send packets out to say the last one got here fine and also cant send any out to ask for anymore..

With NTL, you can only send OR recieve at any given point. If you upload at full speed, your download speed drop MASSIVELY (almost to a complete stop). This isn't SO much of a problem with ADSL, but it still causes problems.

I tend to use Azureus (its a java based downloader). It works in Linux too.. Are you running from the shell or from Gnome/KDE?

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RegenProZ
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 03:18
Becarful if you use NTHell(Woops I ment NTL)

A lot of customers had poor service with them, that explains why they changed their broadcast to "Arqiva"

Not going off the subject, someone working at NTL made the site nthell.com, although NTL had to buy it.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 03:19 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 03:19
Quote: "that explains why they changed their broadcast to "Arqiva""


huh?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 03:20 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 03:20
http://www.ntlbroadcast.com/

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 03:23
ok.. still not sure what that has to do with anything! lol

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JoelJ
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 05:41 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 05:41
ok, thanks...

Quote: " Just admit you're downloading DBP."



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Mattman
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 06:00
Stop taking pictures of my pc when I'm in the bathroom!!
JoelJ
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 06:42 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 06:48
fine!!! be that way!

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oh WOW, i turned down the UPLOAD speed, and my DL speed is crusing
i find that capping the upload at 25, results in the fasest dl speed

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 07:59
If anyone's curious, we just covered this in one of my classes at Uni, here's what I have;


There are a number of different parts to the BitTorrent architecture;
a. The files to be downloaded;
b. The .torrent metafiles;
c. Torrent Trackers;
d. The BitTorrent client software;
e. Downloaders ( including a seed ), and;
f. Uploaders.

The files to be downloaded are simply any file to be shared via the BitTorrent Protocol on one or more computers.

To share these files, .torrent’s must be made. Each .torrent can contain information about more than one file, or a directory of files, each of which has information pertaining to its Length, name, hashing information, and the URL of a tracker.

A .torrent metafile is downloaded like any other file from the Internet, then using the BitTorrent client software, connection(s) are established with the help of the Trackers.
A Tracker is an application running on a stable server machine which keeps track of downloads, uploads and where files ( or parts there-of ) can be located. Usually Trackers only handle a handful of torrents at a time, but they can handle many more without too much increased over-head. When requested, the Tracker sends a random selection of peers holding the desired file to the Downloader.

Once the Tracker has sent the required information back to the Downloader, the BitTorrent software creates a direct connection over TCP to the peers specified. Once these connections are made, the host(s) of the file is called the ‘Uploader’ and the client downloading this file is aptly called the ‘Downloader’. The Uploader announces to all Downloaders which part(s) of the file it has, and the Downloader’s client software then handles which connections to commit to, and which ones to abandon.
During the process of transferring the part of the file, periodical information is sent back to the Tracker so it knows where to find new parts of the file to distribute to other Downloaders.
To initially make a file available, a Downloader known as a ‘seed’ must first host the entire file. Once the file is downloaded at least once in its entirety, the tracker can split the total download 50/50 between the two hosts. Then as more people download the file, the more parts become available, thus reducing the bandwidth needed for any one individual to upload a file in its parts.

Using a Tit-for-Tat method of granting connections, those who only download and do not allow uploads will suffer greatly from being selfish. When connections are established, if the Downloader is not offering anything to Upload, then the connection is choked, not allowing an upload, and as such suffers from having fewer connections to Download from.

BitTorrent's peer-to-peer download process (HowStuffWorks, Inc. 2005)


To keep download and upload rates from suffering, Chocking Algorithms are implemented. This means that a peer is refused an upload, but downloads may still occur from them to the Downloader.
Using the Tit-for-Tat method as well as having at least 4 connections choked at any one time, a 10 second roll-around time is used to check for changes in download speeds with the peer to recalculate who should and shouldn’t be choked. Every 3 cycles, a random peer is unchoked on the premise of forgetting the assumption that the peer with the fastest download connection also has the fastest upload.
(Cohen, 2003).

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JoelJ
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 08:30
Thanks Jess...that's rather interesting, I kinda assumed that it worked something like that, just not that complicated now I know what everything is, I was wondering what the tracker was actually, now i know

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 09:03
Quote: "If anyone's curious"


Well we're not!


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MiR
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 16:21
If your using azureus I would recommend changing to ABC, I was using azureus but it took up a lot of resouces (not a big problem) and seemed to have trouble dealing with large files (2 gigs or more). It would take ages to delete them off the list. ABC seems to use less and work faster. Though they might have made Azureus better since I used it.


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re faze
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 09:52
whut could you be legally downloading thats more than 2 gigs

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MiR
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 11:57 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 11:58
Not sure it was legal but I`ve just finished downloading Sonic X 26-52 (series 2 in America) subbed. That came to a bit bigger than a dvd(4.7 or something).


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Torrey
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 12:07
Joel, did darkmatter come with your DBP on-line order? I know sometimes they like to make package deals, but I didn't get one.

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