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ionstream
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 20:48 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 20:54
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Windows XP is an awesome OS. Everything works without to much trouble. If you want software, you dont have to build the freakin' source, you just download the installer! And you know what? Windows only crashes if you're a dumbass! The only programs that have ever crashed for me are my own crappily made C++ programs and old programs!

I'm sick of all these newbs saying that LINUX IS HTE BEST IT NEVAR CRASHES AND M$ WINDOWS SUCK. Linux crashes! Linux is SLOW (KDE i mean, the desktop environment). Linux has more compatibility issues than a Nazi in Israel!

This is not sarcasm!

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 20:53
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Nice try.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 20:54 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 20:55
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Quote: "Windows only crashes if you're a dumbass!"


hehehehe...raise your hand if Windows ever crashed on you.
*Every user, mod and admin raises hand*

Looks like we have a forum of idiots here. Take some computer classes you nubs, really.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 20:56
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Well, I guess I couldnt say that, Windows programs do crash occasionally. But not nearly as much as Windows-Haters say it does.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 20:57
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I agree with you completely Ionstream.

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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I have found the most unstable part is Explorer - if you try to read a faulty CD it will either crash or display a run-time error message.

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Awww you edited all the good parts out of your post.

I don't like you.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 21:01
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I only edited the SALUTE part because it looked noobish.

Anyways, one time some idiot in my class couldn't get his program to compile in MS VC++ 6. The first thing he says is "Stupid microsoft! Linux is way better." Then I help him with his poorly thought out code and it works.

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Anyways, one time I was sitting there typing my school Essay, and just Windows reboots. It must have been the poorly written Essay the computer didn't like.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 21:07
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I've been playing Brother in Arms. Its an okay game. However, halfway though, the laptop starts to shutdown for no good reason. No BSOD, no Event message - just a total shutdown. Bad progamming me thinks...

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 21:08 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 21:09
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Or it runs out of power, my old laptop has been known to do that when it was stressed alot.

EDIT: But that laptop was pretty old though, so I dont know.

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Dont see why, cant exactly see it being taxed a lot...

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 21:20 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 21:21
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Windows is bad. It's unacceptable how much Windows crashes:

As the market leader, with millions of users, they have a responsibility to make stable programs. And they don't: I've had Windows crash *hundreds* of times. That makes them suck.

If Mac was more supported, I'd go to them. A lot of people would, but MS has a monopoly and so they can afford to be lazy and churn out edition after edition of Windows that continue to crash, all the time, because people have no choice but to use them. Windows sucks.

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They dont have a responsibility to do anything! They make their software, and if people want in on the loads of applications and games despite a few drawbacks, they buy it!

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I do think that it should be a legal responsibility to make all commercial software 99.999% reliable (aka as reliable as possible)

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I'm fine with windows, my comp only crashes when i have a virus(the part i hate about windows, vulnerablity). But other wise, windows has worked just fine for me.

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at first xp used to crash like crazy then i found that my cpu was overheating one too many times, once i replaced my cpu win xp hasnt crashed since and this is like 2months, ive been using my pc for gaming/ts/irc/msn/modeling/rendering/skinning loads of things but my pc hasnt actually crashed since.

i used to have 98 and that loved to crash on me ever so often but im having no problems with xp. i agree with ion xp is the most stable os ive used sure ive only ever used knopix and red hat which were good but didnt seem as polished as windows os.

and i dont see why anyones complaining about windows being bundled with web software and media player, its not like linux have been doing that for ages.

it just seems that one small thing goes wrong with someone pc probaby user incompetency and then they go on a windows hating rampage


Quote: "I have found the most unstable part is Explorer - if you try to read a faulty CD it will either crash or display a run-time error message."


same thing if you replace the motherboard with a waffle iron.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 22:02 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 22:04
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Ionstream, I understand what your trying to say but I can't completely agree with you here.

Quote: "Everything works without to much trouble"

Everything made to work as Microsoft Compatible that is.

Quote: " If you want software, you dont have to build the freakin' source, you just download the installer! "

Many linux distros are the same. Im on linux and I just download the installer for everything

Quote: "Windows only crashes if you're a dumbass!"

Semi-true. I have rarely ever had windows crash on me, but there are those times. Something as stupid as bad source code can bring the thing down. As for programs crashing(rather than the OS) this happens much more often. Probably because my crappy computer, but still, new windows versions should keep compatibility for low-end computer for us poor people, especially if they want to keep the business. Not everyone has the luxury of great computers.

Quote: "I'm sick of all these newbs saying that LINUX IS HTE BEST IT NEVAR CRASHES AND M$ WINDOWS SUCK."

Yea, I will agree with you on that, they make it seem much worse than it really is.

Quote: " Linux crashes!"

So far Linux has been MUCH more stable on my low-end computer.

Quote: "Linux is SLOW (KDE i mean, the desktop environment). "

For me, it runs much faster and smoother than the windows systems. It also offers much more access to the back-end of things to completely customize how it works.

Quote: "Linux has more compatibility issues than a Nazi in Israel!"

Other than missing my DirectX, I have had no issues with compatibility at all. Sure, it doesn't run some windows files, but windows doesn't run some linux files just the same.

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Quote: "I have found the most unstable part is Explorer - if you try to read a faulty CD it will either crash or display a run-time error message."

Agreed, and those run-time error messages just piss me off

Quote: " I do think that it should be a legal responsibility to make all commercial software 99.999% reliable (aka as reliable as possible)"

Yea, seems like Microsoft is a bit more worried with coming out with new stuff than making the old stuff perfect, which kind of sucks for the people who will never even use the "new stuff"

In Conclusion: Linux is for some people, Windows is for some, no-name dos is for the wierd, just pick what works best for you and I definately wouldn't say any one OS is 100% better than the other.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 22:07 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 22:08
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Quote: "In Conclusion: Linux is for some people, Windows is for some, no-name dos is for the wierd, just pick what works best for you and I definately wouldn't say any one OS is 100% better than the other."


well put theindy






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Windows is the best, it crashes when people overload the hard ware. There is occurs the occasional crash that can only be blamed on the software but it does not happen that often for me.

Linux is not the best but is a good OS if you can buy Windows.

I personally hate the Mac, Just can’t stand the darn systems are crap. And every one who has one just tells me that they are so much better and essayer to use then an IBM formatted computers. I think that they are rubbish just big piles of crap.
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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 22:30 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 22:31
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Linux pwns you.

/me thinks if he should put a giant speech on here, or just wait

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Quote: "I'm sick of all these newbs saying that LINUX IS HTE BEST IT NEVAR CRASHES AND M$ WINDOWS SUCK."

Your talking about me arent you?
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i think hes talking about anyone who uses mac/linux more than windows as 90% of them do.


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LMAO

Linux doesnt pwn!

MS Windows XP Does y00 n00bs!

I|\/| g0|\||\|4 |-|4X y00 w1t |\/|y 1337 5k1llZ 1|\| |/\|1|\|d0|/\|5 XP! j00 |\|00B5!111

Anyone able to read that ?


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Posted: 28th Aug 2005 22:40 Edited at: 28th Aug 2005 22:47
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Linux pwns : My Proof
http://thothonegan.no-ip.org/staff/thothonegan/screenshots/2005-08-27%2021-08-46.png

(Sorry if its slow, my bandwidth isnt the best)

EDIT : Fixed URL
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DBAlex: Yes, translated it says you're an idiot >_<

Linux and Windows can't be compared, as they're based on different ideologies. One is made to be fully customisable, at the cost of user-friendliness, where the other is user-friendly, but not as full-featured and customisable.

For me, both are very stable, it depends on use usually, unless you havea hardware problem. People who say one is better than the other needs to use both for a while, and not just say "feck it, this seems too hard" and then bitch about it without knowing what it can do.

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Quote: " DBAlex: Yes, translated it says you're an idiot >_<"


Thanks Kentaree...

Just a joke , But if your 1337 speak skills arent up to it...


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What you gonna do, hack me with your leet skills in windows xp?

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He's going to hack you through Notepad using a 56k modem.


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Oh no, I live in fear. My IP isnt 127.0.0.1, really!

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@Thoth Onegan

that just looks like a totally scrambled mess of transparent windows with crap all over them.

i dont think linux is that bad but mac is the worst ¬_¬


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transparent windows are cool! Took me a while to get right.
Can windows do that?
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you can have certain things transparent such as menus and systray, but not the app window, besides how can you make sence of that screen ._O, im fine with my opaque windows..


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Windows you are using are more opaque then others. Kcontrol recently got kcompmgr to allow you to setup all the fancy shadows, and how transparent windows should be while active / inactive.
Requires XComposite.
Coolest thing ever
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My windows computer barely crashes but i hate having to scan for spyware and viruses and stuff everyday. I barely ever get viruses but i get spyware alot. I've had problems with windows recognizing my tv-tuner, i bought. Windows had trouble recognizing my dvd-rom drive for along time. It thought it was a regular cd-rom drive and I couldn't get any drivers for it. And for along time any time a watched a video file, my computer would freeze. It ended up being caused by my video card driver.

I have had many problems with my windows computer but it is still much better than linux. I found linux to be slow, it always crashed and gave me problems. And there isn't alot of software for it and the software there is for it, is usually slow, and doesn't work too well. I used linux for two months and i hated it. I tried many linux distrubitions. The only one i liked was a 50mb live cd one called damn small linux. Linux still isn't bad for a free operating system and it can run on slower hardware that windows xp can't.

Windows is much better than linux but my favorite operating system is mac os x. In july, i bought a mac-mini and i love it.
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Quote: "
I|/| g0||||4 |-|4X y00 w1t |/|y 1337 5k1llZ 1|| |/|1||d0|/|5 XP! j00 ||00B5!111"
= Im gonna hax yoo wit my 1337 skills in windows xp! you noobs! = I am going to hack your computer with my awe inspiring abilities using windows xp! You noobs! = I got bored and decided to write something....

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I have Windows (Unfortuantly)

I have had to re install windows xp, up to 6 times last year (No Really!)

Unfortunaly, I cannot say I like Windows, because of everything abou it.

Also it's unfortuante that I will also have to keep using it, due to my coding with DBPro. :/

I get a dozen of errors that make no sence, and mostly shuts down for no reason.

However, I believe this is caused only with XP, and not with XP Pro.

If this is true, all I can say is XP is in Beta Mode Still and is light years from proper things.

If it were possible to have dbpro in linux, I would generally install my linux cd....

For those of you who do have an error out of the billion avaliable, try microsoft's site or, http://www.updatexp.com/stop-messages.html

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Ah, the mighty Thoth speaks!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-linux. Linux is great! But I think the reason that linux is slow and unstable on my computer is because my chipset is nForce 2, as opposed to the far more commonly used VIA chipset.

If it will ease peoples pain, this thread was mainly made in retaliation against the anti-windows people who hate it for no reason, and think its cool to hate microsoft. (EDIT: like XPProUser )

On a side note, whats the deal with spelling MS as M$?

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Windows made my Cat vomit into it's own mouth

Think of the animals, Microsoft.


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I couldn't agree with you more ionstream!
OK, we've all had our fair share of crashes - and there's those linux lovers who make a big point about it. But when have you been able to run all these applications and games off the shelf in linux?
These programs don't just crash for no apparent reason!
My computer rarely crashes, and with the amount of crap I've filled it up with, I'm surprised. And when it does crash, I can always find a valid reason why - usually hardware related.


Then there's linux, only a small majority of games and well known applications work on there, you've got to find alternatives for your entire software collection. OK, it's free, but where's the executable installer?! If you're up for that, it'd take some getting used to, but it's not a big problem. There's tons you can do in linux - some prefer it to Windows, most don't.

And with the vunerability issue, I wouldn't be surprised If there were more vunerability scares with linux if it were in Window's place - Windows is the most commonly used operating system, wouldn't it make more sense to create trojans, worms, viruses for something it'll have an overall greater effect on?

Quite simply, if you think Windows sucks, why use it? We had a guy on IRC today - I'll only mention his name because it quite contradicts his point, XpProUser- who was saying he hates Windows and it sucked and he uses linux mostly, yet he was using Windows to actually chat to us. He also said the only reason he uses Windows was for DBP. Now, that may well be true, but why would you go out and buy a complete operating system, just to use one development program - and why would you develop on an operating system that you think sucks anyway?
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Windows is for some people, mainly the average person who doesnt know much about computers(and some advanced users too). And linux is for others who know more and want more. Each has their own target audience.

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Lol at Drew Cameron's post way above. Windows sucks because he crashes it, and he has another thread where Western Digital sucks because he crashes their hdd's - rofl. Lets examine the common denominator, shall we?

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lol

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Quote: "Windows is for some people, mainly the average person who doesnt know much about computers(and some advanced users too)"


I partly agree with that. It's considered the operating system that everyone can use, it's user-friendly if you like. Yet, it can be used for far 'better' (give for a more appropiate word) things than just word processing.

Quote: "And linux is for others who know more and want more."


There's not much you can do in linux that you can't do in Windows and vica versa. I can see your point about linux users being the ones who want to know more, as I can understand how it could give you a far better insight in to what is actually happening, however, that's not what some people want. Some people want what they want to happen with the minimal of fuss.

I have a Windows Server 2k3 server, which I wouldn't swap for linux any day. Mainly because I can use terminal services to get to a nice familiar desktop. From there i've got access to anything I could possibly want to do, in a few mouse clicks. I'd hate to have to do it any other way

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i agree, i like windows much better and use it myself, my main point was that they are for differnt types of people. I like windows because it has a very large support base and a company i am familiar with.

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Windows is utter pants! I'll give you a good example which is currently pissing me right off!

My compy is brand new, cream of the crop, no dodgy software, nothing arsey flying about. No spyware, no rubbish. The start up process is honed and not messy. Basically, it's sexy .... BUT .. I've been having problems recently with booting up. When I boot up the system, sometimes it doesnt load any of my start up programs - it gets no further than displaying the safely remove harddisk icon and it freezes.

I finally found out what the problem was after thinking something was seriously wrong with one of my HDs. It was Windows networking. I connect to the net via our own gateway PC which is hooked up to the router. When I connect to the net I go via a compy downstairs on our lan, then that goes via the router. To this end, windows is setup on my compy to automatically retrieve an IP address from the gateway compy downstairs. It does, and it's fine. But when that compy isn't switched on when I boot up upstairs, it doesnt just fail to setup the network and connect to the internet - nope - it hangs indefinitely waiting for the compy downstairs to switch on. It doesnt load any other start up program (including antivirus, sound control, nvidia panel, firewall etc.) until the compy downstairs is booted up. It could sit there forever, happily waiting.

Personally, I think that's an example of a crap operating system working as it was designed (Cos my PC has yet to fall foul to the corruption of lost data, viruses, spyware etc as its a brand new PC with a brandnew fully updated XP Pro install). Good in places, but still has some stupid and totally unreasonable bugs.

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Yeah, well, you shouldn't complain. It's not like it's an Apple Mac or anything.... http://www.thehoucks.com/happynowhere/Apple_Switch_Parody_DivX.avi

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well you cant expect windows to cater for everybodys messed up lan configurations


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Fallout, thats a pretty poor reason to think that Windows isnt a good operating system. Thats like saying "I unplug my speakers, and I play my music with Windows Media Player, and instead of saying 'You dont have speakers plugged in,' it just plays! ARGGG.'"

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 01:48 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 01:49
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That's a really bad example Ionstream. If I unplug my speakers, it's impossible to play music. If I switch off my proxy server (a different computer), it shouldnt be impossible for to use my computer upstairs. My computer is on, it works, and it doesnt need an internet connection for me to play games or use Word for example.

It's pretty simple - a computer shouldn't rely on another computer on the network to be working for it to work itself unless its a terminal. Fair play I can't connect to the internet with my proxy down, but for the whole of Windows not to work because it's waiting for an IP address? That's shoddy.

@dark coder - Proxy's are a very popular LAN config that XP supports by giving you the option to choose "This computer connects to the internet through another computer on the network" on the network setup wizard.

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Quote: "raise your hand if Windows ever crashed on you. "

Raises all 800 hands.......don't ask....

Windows is good because its easy to learn to do stuff with, and well I think it sucks not because it crashes, (My sister crashed the mac yesterday, whoop de doo, brother sorted it without restarting)

When you get Windows, you go yey this rules, so fast can do loads, or sooooo compatible I love it, oooh splinter cell runs super sweetly.....Most peoples first though (Not mine, for me it wouldda been rainbow six if i bought it, so I'll say Gabriel Knights demo)
I even though XP ruled, so smooth and not too ugly.....but it deteriates, it slows down, it becomes prone to problems, faliures and virus's. Guess how many times I've had to reinstall my OS on this PC alone.....5, how long have I owned this system (its a hand me down its 4 years old) 1 year, yeah PCs are great for games and compatibility, but its not a stable OS, my problems have never been hardware (except my sound card is not so good and my last computer's mobo failed)

So wait until you hate Windows, won't be too long, then again you might be lucky and not have any or many problems

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