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Eric T
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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 03:05
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With Katrina whacking the gulf, New Orleans, and that whole US Oil Belt area, it is expected that gas prices will sky rocket. As they have had to evacuate all off shore oil rigs, and alot between Houston and New Orleans, means our own oil production is gonna be halted for a bit. In other words:

No oil refining = Predicted 3.50$ and up gas prices(It was 2.80 as of this morning here, where as it was 2.75 yesterday).

Just a fair warning...

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 03:12
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did anyone see that thing on FX a while back where they did a documentary set like 5 years from now, looking back on the oil disaster? It all started with a hurricane..

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welcome to the real world of oil pricing

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Yea I mean, the fuel prices seem to just keep going up....

Get a compressed air car

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Quote: "did anyone see that thing on FX a while back where they did a documentary set like 5 years from now, looking back on the oil disaster? It all started with a hurricane.."

My Personal Finance Teacher was talking about how we use a lot more imported oil then we need too. because when we went through that oil crisis with the high prices on imported oil (i'm just a young one, so i dont know dates ) He was saying how we're using mostly imported because we dont want to rely on other countries for survival.
All in all, oil is a joke, if the government were half way smart, they would push hydrogen power, stop using forign oil, if they REALLY want to put terrorism down, they would stop using thier oil, and the only logical way to do that at this point is hydrogen.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 05:40
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agreed. hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and its byproducts are oxygen and water.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 06:11
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seriously think about how it would effect the Mid East and all their terrorists if we stoped using their oil? THEN they will realize how the US freaking owns them...
anyway with that said, that might bring me to vote democrat in 3 years, because i can almost garentee a republican wont ever do anything like that.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 06:14
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We probably won't stop using oil till right when we're at the last (of the last) of it. People are way to dependant on it right now to just stop, it'd have to be a seriously gradual process.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 11:55
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Quote: "agreed. hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and its byproducts are oxygen and water."


Sorry to nitpick, but its byproducts are water, it requires oxygen to burn

Quote: "seriously think about how it would effect the Mid East and all their terrorists if we stoped using their oil? THEN they will realize how the US freaking owns them..."


Oh dear...


It's quite interesting seeing how Americans are starting to get worked up about fuel prices too. Welcome to our world

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 11:58
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quit your belly aching your still paying less than us.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 12:09
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It's not only middle east countries and Merika who are affected, a huge chunk of Scotlands wealth is in it's Oil, remember we still have oil for sale, it's the good stuff too.

Perhaps this will change Americas attitude to fuel consumption and the environment, and maybe stop them being such an ecological laughing stock, if anyone could laugh at that.


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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 14:57
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Quote: "Perhaps this will change Americas attitude to fuel consumption and the environment"


I fear nothing will change that. The oil companies and medical companis run this country. There's nothing we can do really.

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america is just one country yet we consume 25% of the the consumed oil each year - thats disgusting. Yes the republicans have loosened most of the enviromental restrictions in favor of the corporations, thats nothing new, and its also disgusting. We have found all of the oil we are ever going to find, its now just a matter of time before we consume it. Google "Peak Oil" - quite interesting topic. I really hope we (as a planet) start developing viable hydrogen alternatives. BMW is in the forefront of hydrogen development, they are making passenger cars that run on hydrogen, and even developped a concept racer that does 200mph no problem all on hydrogen. Also parts of europe (in germany) are building hydrogen refueling stations, at least from what I have seen on Discovery Science channel.

Yes david I mispoke, hydrogen needs oxygen to burn and its byproduct is water - my mistake.

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The original Dodge Charger concept had a hyrdogen engine in it. Obviously, that didn't stick.

I saw all this hurricane junk on the news this morning. You think your gas is expensive, I have to use Premium!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 16:06 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 16:08
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Quote: "its now just a matter of time before we consume it"

you my dad says when he was in college they predicted that the oil would run out by 1990



and the thing about switching to a different fuel is that you end up with a catch 22...you won't get money from building alternate fuel stations until there are alternate fuel cars...and nobody wants a alternate fuel car if you can't get fuel for it anywhere!

so i'm not really an expert on the subject by any means (or the goverment for that matter) but i would imagine it would take some sort of goverment funding to get us started on a alternate fuel...either that or we'll be forced to switch when/if we run out of oil fuel...

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Use trains instead...


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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 16:34
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Quote: "BMW is in the forefront of hydrogen development, they are making passenger cars that run on hydrogen, and even developped a concept racer that does 200mph no problem all on hydrogen. Also parts of europe (in germany) are building hydrogen refueling stations, at least from what I have seen on Discovery Science channel"


Try again, Vaxhaul are. They worked with BP about a decade ago to get Gas/Hydrogen cars on the market. Volvo and Saab also have been producing alternative range vehicles for about 5years.

The uptake is low right now because while it's cheaper there just aren't as many refueling stations. This is changing slowly. We're also seeing the market having many more Hybrid Engine cars entering the market.

Again though problem is price. Most people don't actually buy new cars, we just can't afford it. Unfortunately these cars aren't being sold much cheaper, so often it's not as worth it. While it's one things for the governments to keep saying 'we need to lower emissions' the main problem is that there ARE currently good alternatives, but we can't afford to change on our own. Despite being the richest counteries in the world most of the residents are still ridiculously poor compared to the internal economy.

It's all stupid imo

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 17:06 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 17:07
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Quote: "BMW has 20 years of experience in hydrogen-fueled vehicle development"

http://www.hydrogenus.com/mem-profiles.asp

Quote: "German car-maker BMW is at the forefront of pursuing hydrogen as a more environmentally friendly alternative fuel to gasoline or diesel."


http://www.worldmarketsanalysis.com/InFocus2002/articles/global_fuels.html

Quote: " BMW has proven what the hydrogen car is able to offer, setting up 9 records for hydrogen-drive cars with combustion engine."

http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/h2r_racer.htm


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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 17:40
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Quote: "Try again, Vaxhaul are"

dang it JOHN, I was so going to own on that one...
BMW's cars look nice too
when i was doing my report, they said that they would be commercially available by 2005...

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 18:15 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 18:15
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Quote: "Try again, Vaxhaul are"


@Raven: Maybe Vaxhaul are too, but the "try again" bit makes no sense you moron.

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Quote: "Vaxhaul"


Sounds like a carpet cleaning removal service...

Quote: "BMW's cars look nice too "


Meh. I prefer Mercedes. BMWs look just like a car. 3 tonnes of pure car. There's no personality or signature look, and they technically they are very good, but they're just car

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 19:57 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 19:57
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Quote: "BMW's cars look nice too"
If it hasn't got "M" on it then take your pipe elsewhere granddad. And if you mean the new spangled efforts, then please, there are children present...

Quote: "technically they are very good"
My mate has a 330Ci (Think it's the one below the M3), which was only a year old when he bought it. Has been in the garage 4 times in the last year, with stupid gearing problems (stopping, and cannot go anywhere). One time it was there for about 8 weeks. Top stuff.

Quote: "Try again, Vaxhaul are"
Shame it's a Vauxhall though. Apart from the VX220 (really a Lotus) then hang your head in shame. Again.

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Quote: "My mate has a 330Ci (Think it's the one below the M3), which was only a year old when he bought it. Has been in the garage 4 times in the last year, with stupid gearing problems (stopping, and cannot go anywhere). One time it was there for about 8 weeks. Top stuff."


Sorry - was jsut going by the high powered ones they reviewed on Top Gear

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Hydrogen is not a fuel source like petrol, just a way to store energy like a battery. You still need an energy source to separate the hydrogen from whatever it has bonded to.
What's really needed is better ways of getting energy from renewable sources.
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Quote: "I really hope we (as a planet) start developing viable hydrogen alternatives. "


Yes but try telling that to the typical middle-class consumer who can't even afford a Prius or other hybrid vehicle, let alone what the future hydrogen cars will probably cost. For someone like me, who had a budget of around $25,000 for a new car, and needs to get from point A to point B everyday, had to buy a gas-powered vehicle (Mazda 3).

Even if the hydrogen cars were out, it's only the trendy Hollywood movie stars that would buy them anyways, because they always price them higher than a regular car.

Even the money you save on gasoline with a Prius doesn't equal the difference between that and a gas-powered car.


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Quote: "Meh. I prefer Mercedes. BMWs look just like a car. 3 tonnes of pure car. There's no personality or signature look, and they technically they are very good, but they're just car "

the BMW Hydrogen cars...

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Quote: "was jsut going by the high powered ones"
There's only the M3 faster than it in the 3 series. It's about 6.5 to 60, and it's pretty quick as I can only really get away a decent enough distance from it closer to 100 (Subaru Turbo). Although there is normally 2 of us in my car, and one in his. Still pretty quick. Plus is that snazzy semi-automatic non-clutch not-quote-tiptronic effort, so he gets all the advantages of perfect gear changes without pants slow full automatic gearbox. Only a dozen or so in the country for his car apparently, but it is the main reason it's been in the garage so many times So he always gets the max out of it, whereas I can cock up if I get a gear slightly wrong (which is easy with mine, especially in first gear which can be a bit of a madman).

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How fast can hydrogen cars go? How fast can they accelerate? Will I be able to win a drag race against a gas-powered car? Answer these questions and I will think about getting a hydrogen car.

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Quote: "My Personal Finance Teacher was talking about how we use a lot more imported oil then we need too. because when we went through that oil crisis with the high prices on imported oil (i'm just a young one, so i dont know dates ) He was saying how we're using mostly imported because we dont want to rely on other countries for survival.
All in all, oil is a joke, if the government were half way smart, they would push hydrogen power, stop using forign oil, if they REALLY want to put terrorism down, they would stop using thier oil, and the only logical way to do that at this point is hydrogen.
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If you think gas companys will allow this then your wrong they'll wait til lthe last possible moment to introduce hydrogen cars the only reason they don't do it right now is that they are greedy and they can't charge alot for hydrogen since it will uhhh...never run out.kinda like cars that are powered on water....

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Funny thing, fuel for cars.
For example - you can run a car (a diesel car) off used vegetable cooking oil that's been put through a simple chemical process (people can do it by hand, in a bucket, its that simple).

It's fairly clean (certainly compared to diesel and comparable to petrol/gas), it's stupidly cheap (restraunts pay to have it taken away) and it's renewable (just grow more sunflowers!).

However, it's also illegal - putting something other than diesel in the UK contravenes some law or other.

Crazy, eh?
Have a link: http://biodieselamerica.org/biosite/index.php?id=7,0,0,1,0,0
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