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No i am not a druggy, my uncle is an ex-drug addict in a mental hospital and sometimes a care home with Schizophrenia, and well, he's not a nut, he's a great guy, just he's dangerous when not taking his pills, but what he's been taking to get it has been annoying me, because its rude to ask those sorts of questions, so well I want the question answered, just out of curiosity

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Quote: "my uncle is an ex-drug addict in a mental hospital and sometimes a care home with Schizophrenia"


Sorry to hear that.

Sorry I cannot answer that though o.0

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well, thats a lesson to the kids on here though, don't do drugs, well he had to be the best blood uncle too, the others are 'snob' 'typical Rich bastard' and 'selfish miserable person who likes tony blair' well he's been like it since I was born, so nothing is really new, I saw the mention of schizophrenia some one else, and got me thinking of which drug my uncle couldda taken, couldn't think of any so I posted

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Cocaine, for example.


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Marijuana can lead to it too iirc.


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Quote: "'typical Rich bastard' "


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My future bro in law has Schizophrenia and from what we were lead to believe it is a mostly genetic condition and the use of drugs may act as a catalyst for an illness which has been passed down the family tree.


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I don't think he was on about Richard Daveys, I think he was on about rich people/wealthy people.


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I have a schizophrenic friend and reason he's the way he is today is all down to too much acid and ecstacy! Really sad to see him the way he is but it made me quit these drugs.
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Drugs may increase the chance of it, but they wont directly cause it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

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My mum's ex died cos of drugs.. and it was like.. a day before he was going to go to a rehab thing.

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They say that acid can provoke existing mental conditions like schizophrenia. IIRC when you exceed a certain amount of acid trips you can be legally regarded as mentally ill.


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I wouldnt be suprised if LSD's could cause it.

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@Zotoaster, I know they like Blair, because the family got into politics last time we saw them, insults at Tony Blair were involved...and they haven't spoken to us since, while we were on holiday we were up there way in Bristol and thought of paying a visiting them...but why ruin the Holiday. Well my family is weird anyway

@Brick, I see, so it wasm't just the drugs...well the child hood was a lil hectic, that side of the family being catholic, you can imagine there were a lot of brothers and sisters (well there were four guys, John, My dad, Keiren and Donal) and two girls (Sara and Jane) and well John was left out on a lot of things because of selfish Keiren and Donal (and they never did grow up) so I guess that could be apart of the cause, because he felt neglected (prolly the reason for drugs too) and well it would explain why he attack his mum, he prolly blames her, poor sod.


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I noticed I posted above, and when I posted I had this thing saying I need my thread to be checked by mods, and the link said something about being new...sounds like one of those newby slap things, never had one so wouldn't know, so I would like a mod to enlighten me, and I still have it as I am writing, I'm not new, been on a year...soooo what I do to get it? Or is it a mistake?

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Quote: " I wouldnt be suprised if LSD's could cause it."

I would. LSD isn't as harmfull as the other drugs (unless you take a trip a tad too often, I guess).
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LSD is a very dangerous drug, along with DMT mushrooms and payode <--phoentic spelling.

400 mikes of acid can permantly damage your brain beyond coming back to normality.
A guy called Bart (no his last name wasnt simpson) was a friend i would see around where i grew up as a kid, only recently i visited a nurse friend who worked in a hospital for mentally retarded di i catch up with him. he had taken ten trips one night and never came back from his induced state. it was like i was conversing with a 7 year old and the guy was like 25. his favorite past times was drooling on him self and yelling at the tv set.

One of my parents worked in a drug rehab clinic, trying to rescue the hopeless and addicted types that would waft in and out of the halfway house.

Ive seen more crap then most people in this regard over the time i visited that place as a kid.

there was a guy who tried to inject the pool chemicals up his arm for a high. naturally he died in his sleep and yes i had to wake everyone up in the mornings, wasnt a pretty site.

recreational drug use of any form is dangerous, you might think your mentally strong enough for these things but they will always beat you no matter what you think or how tuff you think you are.

Ive seen it in action by experimentation on myself and what it does to people, you can do much better then raving all weekend on crystal meth and cocaine plus rounds and pot afterwards makes for one messy head case.

drug taking on a long term basis is a downward spiral into oblivion.

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Anything in excess is bad (not saying LSD or other drugs are good in anyway though). Heh, you can even OD on oxygen and end up in the hospital . I had to do some homework on LSD a few years ago, and from what I remember, it's easier to damage your brain with Marijuana than LSD. I remember reading about an experiment where an artist took a dose and was acting funny for 12 hours. How could your friend have taken 10 in one night?!

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I know plenty of pot heads who are find and quit around when they have kids. My mom is one of them. My mom is perfectly normal she just had a typical teenage past. LSD's are bad, Any thing that supposed to make you "hear colors and see sounds" cant be good. And btw I dont understand that anyone who knows how can you hear colors and see sounds I just cant imagine. Back on topic, I bet your report is good but how is weed do more damage then LSDs.

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Crystal Meth / Cocaine
or any type of speed used heavily have been known to cause paranoid schizophrenia in many users although i have never heard of a case where the effect is a permanent thing it usually goes away after the user finally stops using but takes time.

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Quote: "LSD isn't as harmfull as the other drugs "


Maybe not physically, but mentally it can kill you very fast. LSD could definately cause such a mental disorder, in fact hallucinations and such are one of the top effects from the drug.

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Marijuana is the least harmful for the brain, but if your depressed and you smoke marijuana it could make you even more depressed, but let's be serious here and say right now that it's a long way away from cocaine and chrystal meth. Remember that it's the same class of drug as steroids (they prescribe steroids to kids with asthma FFS) and less addictive than coffee.


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Quote: "o I guess that could be apart of the cause, because he felt neglected (prolly the reason for drugs too) and well it would explain why he attack his mum, he prolly blames her, poor sod.
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Again from my experiences violent attacks are caused by a paranoia that they themselves are going to be attacked. They can also create scenarios that never existed from their past which eat away inside and cause a lot of anger. I personally think the drugs are a way of self medication as before Derek got the right treatments he smoked weed like it was going out of style. The minute he got his 'depo' injections the drugs stopped.


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Drugs are my specialty as both a user and a student of their chemical use effects and causing of dependency in a user. I do not condone or suggest the use of drugs, They are however your choice and you must except the consequences. The following is for informational purposes and in no way to encourage drug use...

Drugs ARE bad...


You want to know what kind of drug may cause or accelerate the forming on schizophrenia or other disorders...



Quote: " Cocaine, for example."


Yes cocaine causes seratonen receptors in the brain to become fried causing depression which is a very likely going to accelerate and cause brain deterioration in relativity to schizophrenia. Other drugs that cause seratonin receptors to become fried are the Crack form of cocaine and Ecstacy.

Quote: "Marijuana can lead to it too iirc."


Doubtful seeing as the active chemical in Marijuana, Tetrahydracannabinol(THC) mostly attacks the memory.

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide aka LSD or Acid causes severe mental problems(i knew a guy on a permanent trip who thought he was a glass of orange juice) and most definitely could cause schizophrenia. As for the legal amount before your legally insane was 3 hits last i checked.

Psylocibin or mushrooms could cause mental deterioration but i don't know that much about how.

Methamphetamines or Crystal Meth cause severe problems after continued use...not sure of exactly what...

As for any other drug...there are a quite a few possibility...

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I think the belief is that marijuana use can increase dopamine levels which can trigger phsycosis.


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only if they taught drugs like that in school, in our school teachers make drugs sound not so bad, hence we have a lotta druggies, I know drugs are bad due to up bringing, Marilyn Manson and my uncle, and the chavs have no chance knowing what they're getting themselves into, stupid school.

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The only psychosis ive ever noticed is alot of people can get paranoid over time because they lose a sense of time in their inconsistant memories...

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Forget drugs, I'd rather have a beer...

Anyway, have you guys seen what an otherdose of cocain does to a teenager? That can't stand still for a nanosecond.

I used to have a friend who gradually got into drugs. He would phone me at 2am while high and say things like "Dude...my cat smells like chocolate..."

Bad stuff.


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It has to do with the fact that you called all mods faggots in another thread.


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check out my 'whats the big idea' thread which will explain, that I ment that to play on what Soapyfish said about things to get the thread locked because some people thought it should be lock, so he insulted Jesus as a joke, so, I quoted him thinking that would show I was playing on from what he said, but insult a mod instead, not to mean anything, I don't actually think mods are faggots, they've not been horrible or anything and I'm not prejudiced, sorry if you didn't take it the way I intend or I didn't say it to be taken the right way.

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lsd will do it for sure.
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@Eddie Gordo: Any info on the effects of spiked drugs? Would it combine the effects of the individual drugs or cause some other nasty thing?

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Schizophrenia is typically caused by genetics, the difference between a person that has schizophrenia and one that does not is the size of the ventricles (places that blood flows through). A person with schizophrenia has much larger ventricles.

Certain drugs like cocaine can effect certain receptors in the brain that will make the brain mimic schizophrenia symptoms. I'm assuming that your uncle must have used drugs really heavy at the time he was doing them, and it may have caused some damage to his brain. Possibly certain neuron receptor sites were destroyed that are affecting his current behavior.

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Long term use of canibis can increase the chances of you developing schizophrenia.

I've seen way too many people I know slip into drugs. Firstly it starts with fags in year 7, then it develops into booze and fags. Eventually they turn to harder and harder drugs in order to get high - I now know people on crack and I dread to think what else. By the time they start having serious problems they've already gone to far to save. (All this bearing in mind no one in my year is over 17).

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same here in the us

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I think he could have taken cannibis, thanks for the info guys, me curiosity is gone now

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Quote: " well, thats a lesson to the kids on here though, don't do drugs"

don't do too many drugs or drugs that can have a perminant effect (one bad acid trip lasts life?)

Quote: "I would. LSD isn't as harmfull as the other drugs (unless you take a trip a tad too often, I guess)"

Or get a bad trip...but bad tripping is generally down to the person's mood (unless the maker f***ed it up somehow)

Quote: "How could your friend have taken 10 in one night?!"

the take-more-get-more-wasted thing, i know people who smoke weed and some smoke everything they have to get as wasted as possible but most save it because it's a waste

Quote: "Again from my experiences violent attacks are caused by a paranoia that they themselves are going to be attacked. They can also create scenarios that never existed from their past which eat away inside and cause a lot of anger."

i kinda know what that's like, i suffer from very very minor paranoia (stressing the minority of it here) and i can see how attacking is a defence mechanism

As far as I know any mind altering drug can (e.g. acid), but it's far more likely if you already have mental illness/it's in the family. For example my second cousin and uncle are psycotic in some way due to extreme abuse of weed and other drugs (the second cousin being the schizophrenic and the uncle is related, so it could happen to him too..). Of course that means if I get addicted to weed and abuse it too much there's a heavy chance i'll become a pyscopath or something similar...

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Schizophrenia is not caused by drugs. It's popular today to talk about chemical imbalances in the brain. This theory is promoted by the drug companies and people looking for magic, instant solutions to complex problems. The fact is - nobody knows what causes schizophrenia. There are some drugs that alleviate the unpleasant symptoms of schizophrenia for some people. Most legal drugs have negative side effects. Schizophrenics who smoke pot are most likely self-medicating.

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we know, I titled it a lil bad, but, my question has been answered, if mods don't mind, you guys can mumble upon urselves

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