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lagmaster
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wow, for so long the uk has had low broadband speeds, we can finally catch up to the rest of the world.

2 isps have announced they will offer 24mbits internet

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24mbits/1mbits http://www.BeThere.co.uk/pilot
be adsl2 check https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/canBeHomeCan.do
trial users in london will get it for £20/month for life. dunno about prices for people after the trial.

24mbits/?mbits http://www.ukonline.net less than £30/month and will be available to 20% of the uk in october.

another isp, bulldog have rumoured to be offering 20mbits soon.

ntl and telewest are rolling out 10mbits broadband soon. telewest are rolling it out sooner than ntl. but telewest are only offering nearly 400kbits upload, ntl are rumoured to offer more upload speed. rollout of telewest 10mbits may be end of this year. rollout for ntl 10mbits end of next year.

a check on the be adsl checker shows im getting 24mbits in january! remember for adsl people your area must have a llu kit in your exchange to get the faster internet.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 17:31
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Awesome. I heard that finland (I think) have 1Gb/s broadband to 90% of their population. If that's true, that's better than 90% of LANs in the UK.

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some extra links for uk people to check your area for adsl/cable info

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/index.php
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Availability checker or Exchange search

some of the info might be a bit outdated (it claims i cant get 2mbits, even tho i have it)

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 17:43 Edited at: 1st Sep 2005 17:49
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People in Chichester probably wont get anything like that until next year

Cant seem to find any dates when the exchange will most likely be upgraced unfortunately...

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Yeah, I read that 1Gbs is available in Japan. Apparently you rarely get that speed, but can come down as low as 30Mbs. Got to feel sorry for them. They are going to do an option to allow deffo 1Gbs speeds for about £50 a month. Cry. The government there reckons they have a target of 10Gbs by the end of the decade. Double cry.

Let me see. If my 2mbs connection downloads around 240k a second then a 200mbs should get 100 times. So about 24Mb a sec. Times by 5... So about 120Mb a sec on a 1Gbs connection. God. So unless I cocked things up there, you could download an uncompressed CD in about 5 seconds, or an uncompressed DVD movie (say 7Gb for dual layer effort with all extras) in just under a minute. Up that to the 10gbs connection and that gives just under six seconds. Erm....

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 17:50 Edited at: 1st Sep 2005 17:50
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Mate, your figures are accurate. So basically, at that rate, software pirates are likely to be arrested in approximately 0.76 days after first subscribing to 10Gb/s. Obviously that ignores speed of the storage medium aswell, but still ....

It's quite scarey as software developers to think someone only needs access to another computer with your software on for a few seconds in order to have totally ripped it! In reality, you'll probably find the line will be split for cable tele, phone and other services, but still ....

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 17:51
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As always, with ADSL it is 'at most 24Mbps'. Sometimes it's down to 1 Mbps here. There's no guarantee that you'll have that speed.

I should know. I've had 24 Mbps for some time now.

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cant wait for telewest to top this

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 19:55
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My connection went from 512Kbits to 2Mbits the other day.

I have to admit I can hardly tell the difference.

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Mine stays pretty constant at 2Mbits. Good olde cable. Can knock NTL (and I do) but they are not bad at keeping (very nearly) constant full speed net access.

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Quote: "I have to admit I can hardly tell the difference."

that's probably because the servers and crap all dont upload at the same speed you are downloading...

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Also depends what you are doing. My surfing doesn't feel much different (apart from when multiple PC's are being used at once, which is a lot better now), but downloads rocket along. Getting around 240k a sec compared with 70k before. Rock on.

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i get about 2x that much with Comcast, it's nice

i download at an average(my guess) of 500k/s
i've gotten into this habbit that if a site doesnt load in a few seconds, i just hit the back button because i figure it's down, so when i'm on a really slow connection, i can never find any 'working' sites

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Quote: "i get about 2x that much with Comcast, it's nice"

4mbs sounds good, and I can get about 8mbs in my area for about the same price. But I cannot be bothered with switching to ADSL *and* losing the email address I've had since about 1997.

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Tiscali's prices are by far lower than ukonline

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Benjamin
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Personally I think Tiscali sucks. But hey maybe its just in France that it sucks.

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Dunno about france, but their all good here...

You actually have tiscali in France? I thought it was just the uk

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Yeah, and Wanadoo.

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Quote: "People in Chichester probably wont get anything like that until next year

Cant seem to find any dates when the exchange will most likely be upgraced unfortunately..."


I can't get 2mb/s in my area yet (though my exchange does support it and i'm only 1.7km away from the exchange). Apparently it was even a push to get me on for 1mb/s Hate to think when we'll get 24mb/s... sorry, IF we'll get 24mb/s

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XpProUser if you think tiscali are good then you know nothing about isps. check out 3rd party isp forums you'll be suprised how many hate tiscali and are unable to get off them since they dont recognise the bt mac code.

also what uk users have to remember, more bandwidth goes through the big exchanges the cheaper it gets, last month bandwidth prices were reduced by 15% wouldnt be suprised by next year there will be another reduction. so isps in the near future cant moan about bandwidth since it will get dirt cheap.

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The problem is that more people will want to join, increasing the chance of contention.

They really need to start investing in more pipes and whatnot.

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I have PIPEX 2mbps - it's very nice. Downloading from Microsoft is the best, usually around 270kbps.

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i thought tiscali and wanadoo were just french... :S

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Yeah, I can get 300kb/s on some downloads now .

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Not to be funny but what's the point of faster than 150Mbit?
Seriously unless the information is going into your ram and right back out the machine.. your Hard Disk won't be able to save it that quickly so you'll be limited to your RAM size then wait for it to then 'download' from your Ram to HDD being longer.

It would be nice to have faster and cheaper broadband available to more people; but oddly enough I'm quite happy with my 1Mb line. I mean going back to 56k and yeah it feels horrible and laggy; but when loading sites they tend to load in a matter of seconds.

The only thing it'd change would be the streaming media like video's to have proper full-screen stuff real-time. Then again most people cards can't handle anything larger than 640x480 without crying out (given the most popular cards right now are the FX5200 and R9600) and I can stream that just fine on my 1Mb

I mean it's all well and good claiming we can have awesomely quick media and such but like CPU, RAM, and Graphics Cards... there is more restrictions on what your can REALISTICALLY expect than just on how quick one component is. You know what would be a god-send; if one of these telecommication companies could actually focus on the REAL problems. Lag and Transaction Falloff.

Something that kills my connection speed 9|10 is the simple fact that the exchange is lagging, or it pings out due to an overloaded server. No matter how quick a connection is they will ALL be affected by this.

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People just want more more and more...


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Quote: "Not to be funny but what's the point of faster than 150Mbit?
Seriously unless the information is going into your ram and right back out the machine.. your Hard Disk won't be able to save it that quickly so you'll be limited to your RAM size then wait for it to then 'download' from your Ram to HDD being longer."


The distinction between 150Mbit and 150MBps is important. A current, fast hard-drive may have an external transfer rate of 150 megabytes per section (MBps). If my maths is correct, this is eight times faster than 150Mbit, which such a hard drive could easily cope with


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Quote: "Not to be funny but what's the point of faster than 150Mbit?"
That's using the idea that one *single* computer will not be able to keep up with the data transfer. Either side (sender or reciever). Of course you could easily use it up with multiple machines. Currently my 2mbit connection is a lot better since it was upgraded from 0.7, as I have multiple computers accessing it at once.

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1Gbs... too bad your hard drive doesn't go that fast so you will actually start complaining about hard drives speeds very soon


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na!..solid state drives are on the way , soon (decade or so) everything will be in silicon, solid state drives are uber fast too, currently I only know of one firm in the US selling em, at tens of thousands of dollars for 200ish gig iirc, but the price will come down, interest is high everywhere, whenever some new development is made the search engines start to get "solid state hardrive" high in their search tables, people want it, eventualy the makers will provide, high end at first, but soon it will be like the seventies, everything will start to be on cartridge (although they might be SD card sized unlike the original book sized ones), even movies .



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I'm on cable, and d/l speeds are still capped at 128kbps with a download manager. My 80Gb hdd shrunk within the 2 months that we had it...

I won't get to experience that kind of technology any time soon. Damn. But coming from 56k, I'm not gonna complain ^_^

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Wow 24mb thats tons

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What about (I believe this is the name of it..) contention ratios?

Your average home broadband has a contention ratio of 50:1, which means that up to 50 people who live close to you share the same line as you. The reason you don't experience a 50th of the speed, is because it's quite unlikely that the 50 people who live closest to you will be maxing out their internet at the same time..

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Quote: " My connection went from 512Kbits to 2Mbits the other day.

I have to admit I can hardly tell the difference."

mine too, at 4x faster i definitely noticed a difference

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