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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 00:52 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 01:35
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Mod Edit: The petition referred to below concerns changes to the Patriot Act

The spacing got a bit messed up but it can still be read just fine. Didn't really spend my time on it as can be obviously seen, just wanted to see who shares the same thoughts(if anyone).
Please check out this petition , will probably be flamed by some of "the" forum members, but meh, will just see what happens with this. Please read the full thing and attempt to comprehend it before any flame post though.

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Jeku
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It would help if you described what the petition is regarding--- nobody likes clicking on random links.

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JoelJ
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wow, i should've read those signatures first...
i just signed it more-or-less just because, but by those signatures, this thing is most definantly not getting anywhere...

maybe you should read up on what a petition IS and how to really make one?

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SageTech
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comn now, dont insult him for trying to make a difference, though it may look grim for this petition at this point, you never know where this could go, perhaps giving it a while might help?

@ leys

im sorry, but i can not sign this as i disagree, however, please try to bring this foward, it is your right to do so, as the constitution states, do noe be discouraged by a few people, or quite a bit of them, all things start out slow and small,

Best wishes,

jase

If you're so smart, why are you reading my post?
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JoelJ
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 07:25
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Quote: "but i can not sign this as i disagree,"

how CAN you disagree?


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Teh Go0rfmeister
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"terrorists are trying to destroy our freedomes and democracy. therefore we will introduce ID cards and put security cameras in your own homes"

looks like the terrorists are winning.

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Ermes
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i think there isn't any democracy and freedomes to save, democracy and freedomes gones ages and ages ago (i think about 10000)
USA are under a military dictatorship, Uk will follow usa within few years.
Here in Italy we do all america wants, europe is trying to walk with her legs but Usa don't like it so much.
Euro is stronger than Dollar, but the international changes is with dollars... why? why we purchase oil with dollars that isn't the strongest money at the moment?? (i don't know what use in china, but is formidably strong at the moment)
So let's open our eyes. The terrorist aren't islams. Actually, The terrorism is a don Quixote windmill, america gov goal is to make all their citizen slave, 24h/24h monitored, like the story of internet connection in any home of america for control all the people.
History repeat it itself. Pearl Harbour was a great "Casus bellis" like 11 september, and be sure in the future others innocent will die for a motivation for declare war and steal oil/gold/etc..

that's my tought.

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Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 12:38
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Ermes, i agree totally, but you realise now that both of us are going to be shunned by americans and maybe a few other people in the forums who think we're just extremist brainwashed etc etc. and we're just being pesemistic. i'm not a pesimist, nor am i an optimist, i like to think of myself as a realist, and we'll just wait 50 years to see who's right.

by then it'll be too late. people need to start doing things now to prevent bad things that can happen in the future, but just like global warming, we're not going to do anything about it until the water's lapping at our doorsteps. that's the human way.

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Ermes
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 12:47 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 12:57
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Teh Go0rfmeister i must say you're totally right.
i would like to have my eyes and my mind blind, but i can't.
Lots of people think they're free and they are in the right side of the war or of the matter or whatever, like all the people in the world do.
Saddam was thinking he was right, like stalin, like osama, like bush (the father, actually the son is a puppet), like mussolini, etc etc.
Thats no way to think out toughts are really right. it's a viewpoint. So let's die for Bush viewpoint/Osama viewpoint.
Maybe they can play at tekken5 in the versus mode, and don't make war each other with innocent americans (30 years later someone will make a film like "born the 4th of july...). Damned sh**ty world.

I know we'll be flamed now.

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"terrorists are trying to destroy our freedomes and democracy. therefore we will introduce ID cards and put security cameras in your own homes"

Where did that info come from or am I missing a link here¿

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Teh Go0rfmeister
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ok i werent serius about the security cameras, i was reffering to 1984, but still, once its proved that id cards dont work, i wouldnt be surprised if cameras in everyones home would become reality a few decades from now.

the id cards thing i wasnt joking about, its a really hot government issue here in the UK.

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The day they do that, the president will be removed from office ... and yes being dead is considered removed.

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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 15:56
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Quote: "maybe you should read up on what a petition IS and how to really make one?
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I told you in my first post that it is just something I threw together mainly to see what other people think, wasn't planning on doing a whole lot with it.

As for the mod edit in my post, it's the first edit i don't actually mind

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Ermes
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2005 16:21 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2005 16:23
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well, like in all over the civilized world, in the forum there are some people they post like they don't really mind at the problem you show or are EVER in the right side of the question. I hate those ways to be.
TheIndy , i like very much posts where you can say your tought and express opinion without too many restrictions.
That petition show a really big problem, and it is useless to think to be closed here in a safe shell.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 05:50
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Quote: "8. Bob Miller I believe in you.
7. Alex Reel I like to suck hairy monkey balls
6. Joel Johnson
5. er David Leys sucks balls!
4. Leys, your a douche Honestly leys...
3. Leys sucks I don't like this
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1. David Leys This is an outrage and must be stopped!"


got some um.. unusual people there at the top.


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That's sarcasm, let it burn
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Teh Go0rfmeister
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huh?

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Dave J
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Posted: 4th Sep 2005 08:44
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Quote: "democracy and freedomes gones ages and ages ago (i think about 10000)"


Gone when? 10,000 years ago? That would be 8000 BC, nope, no democracies there.


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Grog Grueslayer
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Posted: 4th Sep 2005 09:29
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I doubt the government would even look at... let alone accept a digital petition as valid. It has to be a real piece of paper with real signatures.
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I'm not going to sign it Leys, but I'll give my opinion. I think the Patriot act needs to get chopped up for the sake of privacy, and so we don't get to the point where we're being questioned for every little thing. However, I also think (as they predicted somebody would) that Ermes and Goorf are talking extremes. I frankly don't think the public would allow such a takeover. Most people who are pro security and patriot act aren't really all that right-winged, and if it got really bad would start asking questions. I won't say their predictions aren't a possibility though.


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It's easy to say a country that you've never seen in your life is a police state, fascist, etc. I think most of those people with extremist viewpoints have no idea just how much you can get away with and face up to the law if you try in the US. Much more so than most European countries.

That said the Patriot Act is BS. But I'm not going to waste my time signing a digital petition which nobody in government will read - there are more effective ways of fighting it.

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Quote: "It's easy to say a country that you've never seen in your life is a police state, fascist, etc. I think most of those people with extremist viewpoints have no idea just how much you can get away with and face up to the law if you try in the US. Much more so than most European countries."


Have you actually been to any European counties or are you doing what you are complaining about?
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Quote: "Have you actually been to any European counties or are you doing what you are complaining about? "


Touche

I suppose I'm basing some of that on hearsay. But the UK does have much more 'Big Brother' fascist-type police state stuff going on, based on news, statistics, what friends say, etc. Anyway, point taken

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that's no need to be in america to see how it work here.
uh, i just say yesterday on TV some black people revolting in New Orleans, and the police shot at them.
Here in Italy, we have/had in our past and present many diseases, but believe me, no one insurection or something else....
Just as the film "Gangs of New York".. America is born on the street...

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Quote: "i just say yesterday on TV "


Yup, must be the unswayed truth then.

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New, updated petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/d4vdgeys/petition.html


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Here you are jimmy, found this one just for you.

Bush Petition

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the ignorance of this world hurts my eyes...


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Grog Grueslayer
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Here are some interesting petitions to sign... DO NOT sign anything unless you fully believe in it.

A Better Class of Pay-Per-View Pornography:
http://www.petitiononline.com/needpr0n/petition.html

A tasty treat, the Cup Noodle legacy:
http://www.petitiononline.com/cup00/petition.html

A dog needs your help!!!:
http://www.petitiononline.com/4247/petition.html

AB Calculus:
http://www.petitiononline.com/limx0/petition.html

Add "Dinggus" To The Dictionary:
http://www.petitiononline.com/dinggus/petition.html

Bring back the Chili Cheese Burrito Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/tb152516/petition.html

Citizens Against Eating Dinosaurs:
http://www.petitiononline.com/Ndinoeat/petition.html

Cyber Marriage:
http://www.petitiononline.com/liz11985/petition.html

Let's save anime forever!!!!!:
http://www.petitiononline.com/t4ff1y21/petition.html

No More Lies in Hip-Hop!!:
http://www.petitiononline.com/NMLIHH/petition.html

Petition for Unfair Grounding:
http://www.petitiononline.com/unfair12/petition.html

Remove the Letter "C" From the Alphabet:
http://www.petitiononline.com/3940101/petition.html
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The Patriot Act was the best thing to happen to this country as a result of 9/11. If i have to interregate or near torture 5 innocent guys, in order to prevent 5000 innocent guys from being killed, i'll do it.

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Quote: "If i have to interregate or near torture 5 innocent guys, in order to prevent 5000 innocent guys from being killed, i'll do it."


What if it was your innocent butt being tortured?

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hell yeah, as long as they dont kill me , i would be glad to suffer so thousands can live. When i turn 18(and when we are out of iraq, i dont care for that war that much), i am going to West Point to join the army.

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Quote: "The Patriot Act was the best thing to happen to this country as a result of 9/11. If i have to interregate or near torture 5 innocent guys, in order to prevent 5000 innocent guys from being killed, i'll do it."

it's fine NOW, but in 10-20 years from now, it's going to be used for other things


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Quote: "it's fine NOW, but in 10-20 years from now, it's going to be used for other things
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What would these things be really? nothing much. so you wont be able to make explosives in you garden or plan the next killing of your leader. they are a few things i would be willing to give up to help ensure i dont get killed by some crazy terrorist.

The laws regarding terrorism will only be able to be used if you are suspected of terrorism so if you are white then you have no worries really.

Any spelling mistakes are totally In tensional.
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Quote: "The laws regarding terrorism will only be able to be used if you are suspected of terrorism so if you are white then you have no worries really."


Haven't you seen 24?? There are at least TWO white terrorists out there.

Quote: "Quote: "it's fine NOW, but in 10-20 years from now, it's going to be used for other things
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What would these things be really?"


Yes Joel, what other things? What could it possibly be used for in the future that it isn't being used for today?


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Quote: "What would these things be really? nothing much."

Yes, nothing really, except it goes against one the MAIN reasons for the American Revolution. Because the English guards would just waltz in to whomever's house they wanted and say that they were doing something "wrong" when it could've just been the guard didnt like the person. So a group of people wrote something that we now call the "Constitution".
The patriot act now says that if you write something on the internet the FBI doesnt like, they can walk into your house and pretty much do whatever they want WITHOUT A WARRENT. If they were so sure that you are a terrorist, can't they just run it into the judge and say "hey, this guy's a fag" and the judge would say "go on, do what you want".

The Constitution is nearly flawless, and we dont NEED a patriot act, all it does is pull us under, adding MORE flaws, which is the LAST thing the American government needs.


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Just watching the news today, and they are saying how President Bush has fully rights to militarily(sp) detain a suspect indefinately without any charges against him. That, in my opinion, is crap.

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President Bush has control over the military, he cant declare war (that's the senate's job, so i dont understand why everyone bashes on HIM), but he does have control over the military.


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He IS the president.

Quote: "The patriot act now says that if you write something on the internet the FBI doesnt like, they can walk into your house and pretty much do whatever they want WITHOUT A WARRENT. If they were so sure that you are a terrorist, can't they just run it into the judge and say "hey, this guy's a fag" and the judge would say "go on, do what you want"."


Well, thats the reason for the act. Terrorists don't wait for warrants, so the big bad FBI and other law enforcement agencies need the power to act immediately. Give it about 3 years and 4 months and it'll be abolished by some minority-pleasing democrat.


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