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Terabyte
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 18:42
Who do you think is the best. Who do you think is the worst.
This must be based on experience and opinion. So for example
Maxtor are not the worst because I don't use them... Maxtor are the worst because after 3 months of usage my hard drive is in the process of dying, has been isolated! and I now need to buy another! It was gigantic, noisy, and not obviously quick.
Western Digital are not the best because everybody says so, Western Digital are the best simly because I have an old banger downstairs i've used and still do for years which uses a Western Digital. It's silent and quick. Lil small.. that's only because its 4 years old.

Don't give me the full list of manufacturers you pulled out of google to show off. That's not the point of the excersise.
I will find that list and make you look a fool.

ATA/IDE only please. No SATA only manufacturers.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 18:56
I have a 200gb western digital and a 80gb and 60gb maxtor. I've had to replace one of the 80gb maxtors after it died on me after 2 years of constant use - however I was able to do a full backup before it completely gave in - but apart from that I've never had a problem with hard drives from either company. They didn't come with "silent" in their description, but I think it would do them well, since I have never heard a 'tick' from any of them.
However, they're the only two manufacturers that I've ever bought IDE hard drives from, so I can't really comment on any more without going in to SCSI.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 18:57 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2005 18:59
Well, I have had Maxtor, WD and Seagate drives all fail within very short times (around 3 months).
Fijitsu aren't much good either, because they failed quickly too.

Unfortunately it appears that all hard drives are faulty anyway - Both Windows and SMART do error correction (so for simple problems you dont see any read/write errors).

For example my laptop (about a month old now) has the following hard drive problems :


[ ST9100822A (3LG0VVRR) ] The columns are Threshold, value, worst, data and status.

01 Raw Read Error Rate 34 55 54 22480209 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 97 96 0 OK: Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 67 OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 66 60 4423103 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 184 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 34 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 100 100 60 OK: Value is normal
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 100 100 60 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 98 98 5355 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 57 59 57 OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 55 54 22480209 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing

I would like to know how they can claim reading 22Gb of data (incorrectly) is normal...

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2005 19:56
I've got two brand new SATA Seagate drives. One of them was making some serious noise the other day, but hasn't made a peep sinse. It's working fine now, but I wouldnt be surprised if it packed in soon having heard that. Anyone know any funky HD test/diagnosing tools?

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 10:23 Edited at: 5th Sep 2005 10:26
Western Digital is the best. Every computer i've built I used WD drives and I haven't had any problems. Seagate are the worst. A long time ago I used to say "Seagate always throw some dirt in the drives before they close them.". Seagate also have the worst customer support... send them a drive to replace and they send a new one 7 months later. Looking at Fallouts message i'm unlikely to change my opinion.

Western Digital doesn't have good customer support anymore. I once had a problem getting a 250gig drive to work and the customer support for WD was a guy that sounded like an Arab and totally insisted that a hard drive couldn't be formated over 20gigs. I asked for his manager and he said the same thing... 20gigs!!

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 10:55
The quality of Western Digital is great! I've had several different brands of hard drives and never had any fail because of a hardware problem. Usually if a drive fails it's because of the user or the operating system in some way or another.

And if you have any ancient drives they can demagnitize after a long period of time, but by that time it's probably already obsolete and in the trash.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 13:03
Used to use Maxtor drive but due to annoying whistling noise it made, I dumped it in favour of nice quiet Seagate Barracuda drive.

I have never had a drive let me down in all the years I've had pc's - been through all sorts of drives, Western Digital, Maxtor and Seagate.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 13:33 Edited at: 5th Sep 2005 13:34
Ordered a new 300GB one today (a Maxtor one). Also got some hard drive fans, so hopefully it'll last more than three months... Got it from Dabs this time too...

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 18:35
-Seagate (all series slow + stability)
-Maxtor (all series slow + instable)
-Quantum (buyed by Maxtor - not very stable)
-Fujitsu limited (medium stability + medium speed)
-IBM (it was my favorit, most of this HDD-s was made in Hungary, not in China or Taiwan, so i loved it, but the producing of this HDD-s is stopped, medium speed + stability)
-Western Digital (RAPTOR da king, nice speed + stability, the older series - instabe + slow)
-Conner Pheriperias (slow + stable)

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 18:48 Edited at: 5th Sep 2005 18:49
???????? Hi Geri. It's a long time i don't see you.

Ah, BTW the only thing i know of HD is their cost, and i must say they're very cheap now.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 18:53 Edited at: 5th Sep 2005 18:54
What, some one wake me up. You think western digital is the best and Maxtor is crap. I have been using computers for a long time and every Western Digital hard drive I had crashed. I have been using Maxtor and have had no problem with them; they are the best out there.

Maxtor is the best
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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 18:57
hey Finn Man.

I have talken about the Raptor series. All other western digital is crap, you are right. But watch, what hawe i wrote:

Quote: "-Western Digital (RAPTOR da king, nice speed + stability, the older series - instabe + slow)"


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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 21:35 Edited at: 5th Sep 2005 21:35
Quote: "Western Digital (RAPTOR da king, nice speed + stability, the older series - instabe + slow)"
Oh yes. Raptors are seriously nice. And get 2 (or 4 if you really want to show off) and put them in a RAID 0 array like me. Nice. Thats 2 10k drives (SATA though, and I know you didn't want that, but get a SATA PCI interface for next to nothing if you want). May not be huge (about 150gb all in), but shifts like nobodies business.

Quote: "I have talken about the Raptor series. All other western digital is crap, you are right. But watch, what hawe i wrote:"
Dunno, my old WD drives seemed fine. Maxtor always seems to die after a few years. Not that it normally matters (get a new PC). Although I do like my portable 300gb Maxtor effort. Nice metal case.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 22:57
Just to reiterate what Dazzag said. I have SATA too, and I know it's not your thing, but its comedy how long it takes for things to load now. Those levels that used to take 30 seconds to load on doom3 seem to be done before I have a chance to take a sip of my coffee. Somebody slow this badboy down!!!

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Posted: 5th Sep 2005 23:07
Yep, XP Pro used to take about 10 "revolutions" when booting up. Got the 2 Raptors in a RAID 0 array, and it took under 2. Nice. Now takes about 4, but I've added a load of rubbish. Must clean out at some point.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2005 00:41
yeah.

But if sombody tell from a HDD that is good, is not 100% to this hdd is good in another contries.

The IBM hdd-s produced in Hungary was very good. We all buyed it, and never, no problems. This HDD-s is the best. The HDD-s exported to other neighborus contries was also fine. But the IBM stopped creating HDD-s in Hungary, now they creating the HDD-s in China.
This IMB hdd-s are damn suxx. The speed is ok, but the hdd-s die. You tuch it: die. You start it: die. You see it: die. So IBM not= IBM. You must visit the producing country too.

The same as XBOX. Made in Hungary XBOX-es is fine. But the asian contries maded xbox-es (China, ...) is danm buggy. They are burning out, the adaptes smokes out, instable HDD-s.

To Hungary, the made in China X-Boxes are not allowed. They not passed for quality.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2005 01:34
what is a raid Array?

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Posted: 6th Sep 2005 03:39
It's a method of using multiple disks to increase access speed and/or prevent data loss. (Redundant Array of Independant Discs). It's primarily a method of saving data in such a way that if one disc fails, your data isn't lost. With a method called striping, it also allows you to write half your data to one disc and half to another at the same time, increasing read/write time, so it's cunning technology.

I have a raid enabled motherboard, and multiple identical discs, but I'm not using it.

I don't know why.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2005 13:34
I use raid stripped set, two 30 gbyte Maxtor HDD-s.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2005 01:17
cool, how do you find out if your motherbord is raid enabled?

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Posted: 9th Sep 2005 01:37
if you have in your mobo ide3 and ide4 ports, connected to a integrated ata/raid controller, your board is support raid.
The most popular integrated raid controllers is created by Promise, High point or Silicon image.
To use raid, you can use add-on external PCI/PCIe IDE or SCSI controllers too. The most popular PCI IDE controller is Silicon Image.
This RAID controllers are also support using HDD-s without raid.
The most popular RAID methods are:

-STRIPPED
-MIRRORED
-MIRRORED+STRIPPED sets.

when using the stripped sets, the hdd-s speed speed up with 2x speed, the size will be the two hdd-s size, e.g. 2x30 Gbyte 7200 rpm will result a 60 Gbyte hdd with a peed near to a 14400 rpm hdd.

when using the mirrored sets, the two datas on the two hdd-s will be the same. No speed up, no more place, but if one of the hdd-s die, the datas from the other hdd can be back.

when using the stripped-mirrored, (min. 4 hdd-s) two-two hdd-s is stripped (size of the two hdd-s + duble speed) and this stripped set is mirrored to another stripped set.

I use stripped, two 30 gbyte Maxtor HDD-s. 200% speed up, 60 Gbyte.
But be careful: when a stripped set one hdd fails, they can damage all of the data, that is in the stripped set.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2005 01:52
actualy, i forgot: its more than two hdd-s can be also stripped.

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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 00:17
WD is good, but occationally I'll have problems. I had 2 die on me. I use seagate, scsi, ide, and sata. None of those have ever failed me, and the scsi one is old and about 4" thick. I really liked the older IBM drives, back when they actually made them. I would go with seagate.

Geri, whats with you and Hungary? You live there or what?

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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 02:45
I didn't think Hungarians would be into anime/manga.

I like my Seagates. I can't give comparisons about their speed but they've yet to fail on me.

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Quote: "Geri, whats with you and Hungary? You live there or what?"

Yes.

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Will you please resize that image

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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 14:03
Quote: "cool, how do you find out if your motherbord is raid enabled"
Should be in the BIOS. Good guess is how much it cost. One of my computers was cutting edge at the time and cost top dollar. All the components are top notch (for the time). It had a RAID controller built in, and even a DVI port on the graphics card. Another PC I had at the time was a normal cheaper option, and yep, no DVI, no RAID. You get what you pay for basically. Still, you can get a PCI RAID controller, and you should be sorted. And these days with DVD writers, and portable HDs, I just use RAID 0 (max speed, no mirroring), and have backups incase it all turns to poo.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 00:29
so i can get a pci card that enables raid?, cool how do i do it?

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 01:36 Edited at: 11th Sep 2005 01:45
You buy a PCI RAID controller and shove it in your PC. Bung in the setup disk and it should do all the stuff for you. The only difference is when you turn the PC on you get an initialisation message saying the drives are ok before carrying on. In the BIOS it actually says you have no drives (cos no IDE). Unless of course you use an IDE as a storage device.

Look on Dabs. Pretty cheap if I remember rightly. Actually search for SATA controllers with RAID functionality.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 01:46
right
I bought western digital in the end.
It's not as noisy as the Maxtor one...still makes a bit of noise...
but then again.. it is 80gb..

seriously on a side note.... UPS suck...

Delivery guys opens the door.. with the hdd package in his hand.. drops it on the floor.. and says sign here please mate...

i mean really.. was he expecting me to sign for it in good condition!?!?!?!?!?

amazingly it still worked despite only being layered with some thin polystyrene :S

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 04:16
So if sombody buy some add-on PCI raid card...
lets see how its work with a Silicon Image ATA/RAID card.

-You draw it to a free pci slot
-You connect the HDD-s to the new ide slots in the Silicon Image card
-you may connect new leds to the Silicon Image card (eg power led)

You turn on the computer. After scanning the mobo's ide slots, the Silicon Image bios will be loaded, and scenning the HDD-s connected to the SIL card. Now you may can enter to the SIL's bios, and can buid up raid sets. But using raid is not needed - the hdd-s and cd-roms connected to the card can de used as a single ide drive.
When building up raid sets, all of the data existing on the hdd-s will be deleted, so be carefull.

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