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Geek Culture / Very annoyed with a Share-It! Customer

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Killswitch
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Posted: 7th Sep 2005 21:15
As some of you may know I have written some encryption software and tried to sell it on Share-it! That was about 6 months ago, and I basically had forgotten about it. Then, the other day, I recieved an order for my text encryption program. I was over the moon, I have sold a program before but this was the first time I'd sold a program that was 100% my own.

Today I checked my email and unfortunatly I had another email from Share-it that said the customer had requested a refund. "That's a shame," I thought - but then I read the email.

Now, a little background information.

I am English, I speak English and it's my first language. I DO NOT speak any other languages. Therefore all of my programs are in English, and I've never bothered to have them translated. The customer was from Florida, USA.

His reason for requesting a refund?

"Customer would like the English version. Please refund this order. Thanks!"

Now this has wound me up. I could understand if he was unhappy with the program (which is hardly possible, he's only had it for less than a week) and even though I would have my suspicions if he had said he was unhappy I would have gladly refunded the money. Even if I did give him a refund how can I be sure that he's still not using the software?

Sounds like a dirty scam, so I've decided not to refund his money. I've also sent hime a firm, but polite email, explaining why.

What do you think?

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Torrey
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Posted: 7th Sep 2005 21:23
Every software place that I know of has this policy:

If you buy it, but don't install it (or open its packaging) then it is returnable/refundable. If you install the product or open its package then you cannot return it.

Is your program in english but he's just acting stupid about it being not "perfect" english?

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Kohaku
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Posted: 7th Sep 2005 21:23
I think he sucks and your letter was too polite.


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Grog Grueslayer
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Posted: 7th Sep 2005 21:26
Sounds like the people at Share-it need an English lesson. They should of looked at his request and sent the person a message that he in fact IS using the English version.
Killswitch
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Posted: 7th Sep 2005 22:41
He's Claming its in German! The only german word I know is 'nein'! I've asked him to send screenshots of the program, to prove it is indeed in German - hopefully that'll shut him up. My program cannot be in German. Only two people have the source for it me, and my programming buddy ShadowRunnerX neither of us speak German and I doubt SRX has even compiled the source as I have given him a .exe!

That being said if Share-it has somehow managed to screw up the system and give him another program then I'll apologise and send him a copy of my program.

Still, thats pretty damn unlikely!

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RegenProZ
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 01:26
Killswitch, what you must of forgot is the whole "You gotta write a dang poilcy and agreement" Terms and Conditions.

Most software T&A clearly stats that they will not be able to give you a refund after you have brought this software.

The customer that got your software could easily just want their money back, but hold on, their still using your software, so that means they got it for nothing.

Best thing to do is either give the customer the money back, or, write a "So-Call_it" English Version....

Also without a T&A, your pretty screwed, so make sure you do this as top pirioty.

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Killswitch
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 02:15
I haven't falsely advertised the software, I haven't broken any trading laws, so he is not entitled to a refund anyway.

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Jeku
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 02:21
He's obviously trying to get the software for free. I don't know why you don't realize this :-P

Killswitch
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 02:23
I have

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Torrey
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 09:11
Quote: "Send him a rude letter in German. That'll show him. Well, probably not... But good idea anyways."


Signing him up for german spam would be more fun!

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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 09:25
Even better, don't be ruse at all. This is real money, real life, and upsetting customers is once thing you don't want to do, no matter how knieving or idiotic

So just reply and say the software is in Ehglish and not German. And end all correspondance there. If he does try and continue his fight with badly doctored screenshots, just report him to share*it.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 09:25
I would suggest forwarding his responses to ShareIt. When PayPal started thier new fraud service (now merchants are protected for up to £3,500 lost revenue per year) they also have people who specifically check refund claims for liabilities.

Something like this would actually end up having that use having thier rating dropped or even suspension of thier account.

There's also now a cool feature that prevents the auto-refund. So you get more control over who is and isn't refunded (finally).

BatVink
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 10:49
It's a very common scam. It's the equivalent of the Worldpay scam where the user simply says they didn't order anything, and Worldpay automatically refunds the customer. At least in this case, it looks like Share-IT don't just automatically believe the customer.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 14:29
If you don't refund him, he'll probably just issue a charge back via his credit card company, and Share-It will then HAVE to refund him and you'll loose it all.

WorldPay are just the same.

Both complete gits if you ask me. We get a large number of fraudulent orders (I guess our products appeal to thieving bastards?) and both the share-it and worldpay anti-fraud systems are almost useless, despite their claims. Sad fact of Internet purchasing life I guess.

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 15:02
...and Worldpay also slap a £20 admin fee on top.

WP once did it to me, when the customer had NOT complained about my transaction, but another one.

On the back of this, I managed to provide information to WP that suggested I might have found a weakness in their network. I mailed them with this information, and all of the directors (despite their email addy's not being published by WP). I got a personal telephone call from the UK Director of Worldpay, who was obviously fishing to work out how I'd got hold of the information I'd provided, without admitting it was an embarassment to the company.

Why else would the UK Director call me over a £50 discrepancy? I may be wrong, but I doubt he calls every irate customer, they must have hundreds of them

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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 15:14
I recommend you try out a free good merchant account called Nochex, I use them, and customers are happy that they don't HAVE to sign up.

Darkbasic MADPSP
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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 17:52
What an idiot usa english whats the difference?

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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 18:48
Just email Share*It. They can sort it out. You have no obligation to give a refund. Keep your high ground, and don't give up until it's resolved!

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Posted: 8th Sep 2005 20:09
Update:

Seems like this guy isn't trying to scam me after all! I did two test orders one on the product he ordered and another on a seperate product - with the one he ordered a download link is given but doesn't actually lead to anything! So I've refunded him, I'm happy he doesn't have the software.

However this still leaves these issues:

1) Why can't people download this program from Share-it!

2) Where the hell did this German crap come from?

3) It turns out he was buying the software to decrypt excel files (?) something which my TEXT encryption software can't do!

4) He's a Mac user! My programs only work on windows!

Damned Americans!!

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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 20:24
Did you declare your encryption algorithm to the united states government so they can check they can decrypt it before you're able to sell it?

...anyway, first time I've heard of problems with Share*IT and WP personally, but makes ya think. I actually had a problem with Amazon once and they told me if their security was at fault I'd be the first person to ever have proven that. Hmm. Doubt that somehow.

Cheers.
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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 20:31
Quote: "Update:

Seems like this guy isn't trying to scam me after all! I did two test orders one on the product he ordered and another on a seperate product - with the one he ordered a download link is given but doesn't actually lead to anything! So I've refunded him, I'm happy he doesn't have the software.

However this still leaves these issues:

1) Why can't people download this program from Share-it!

2) Where the hell did this German crap come from?

3) It turns out he was buying the software to decrypt excel files (?) something which my TEXT encryption software can't do!

4) He's a Mac user! My programs only work on windows!

Damned Americans!!
"


How do you know all this is true he could of hacked the link to go to no where and mac doesn't do microoft programs that german stuff is rubbish he's still trying to con you don't you see it?

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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 21:29
My encryption was just a simple shift chiper which introduced some random text into the cipher text, so I think the NSA computers wouldn't struggle to beat it.

@DarkBasic Mad

Yeah the 1337 hacker broke into Share-its computers, disabled access to my own program from me, subsequently bought my program then asked for a refund? Yeah, of course....

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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 21:48
Could happen

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Killswitch
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Posted: 10th Sep 2005 23:17
Yeah it could, but I'm sure most people can find better ways to waste their time

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 02:27
It would be faster to earn the money .

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Killswitch
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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 13:24
I had a job and everything this summer - I was just proud someone had bought some of my software

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 19:41
I wasn't referring to you . I "waste" time programming to try to earn money too . I meant that it would be faster for your customer to earn enough money to buy your program than to hack your Share-It download .

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Posted: 11th Sep 2005 21:28
Ahh, sorry for the misunderstanding!

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