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Freddy 007
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Posted: 16th Sep 2005 23:50
Sorry, but this just made me laugh:

http://www.fjolletobak.com/detail.php?&content=13402

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I believe OS X is fairly stable

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That was so funny, I actually laughed out loud at it


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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 01:40
That guy totally hates mac, and I couldn't blame him!

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 01:48
This is probably the first time I have said this about anything on general chat....but thank-you for posting that ! that was brilliant... You can just feel and empathise with that pure rage...im gonna watch it again !

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 02:11
Yeah, I was actually laughing out load too when I saw this.


Is a Mac really THAT easy to turn off?



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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 02:21
I've seen this quite a few times before. There's a few more floating around.. one of the best is from the editor of the RedVsBlue Series about Mac Gamers. just classic >_<

MacOS8 / 9 were pretty bad at times, but for the most part they're no less stable than anything else. They should have Tex do all the voices for the error voice. Atleast when you crash you have some sorta bitch to be mad at then. ^_^

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 03:13
this must be the 5th incarnation i have seen regarding this.
btw it was edited on a mac in the end using FCP.
I use a mac and pc daily, ignorance on how to use a mac usually breeds this sort of whinger.
I have made well over 50k using my macs to generate media in just the last two years.

I could create something regarding the PC experience and it would be far worse and a lot longer. lets start with installing the OS on the network without sasser protection... haha

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 03:32
The only time I experienced a Mac was in high school (long, long ago... we had one mac and 30 apples). I was amazed that there was no way to eject the disk... then my teacher showed me the drop down menu. I looked at it and "eject disk" was right next to "format disk". To me having those two menu choices within 1 pixel of each other was amazingly stupid.

I'm sure it's been changed... but I still won't ever buy one.
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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 04:27
@indi - I completely agree!!

i've seen that video dozens of times. Laughed every time until I used a mac for the first time about 6 months ago.. After that it wasn't so funny anymore!

I bought myself an iBook 1 week ago and.. well.. in the past week ITS been used more than my PC..

I find the interface my more user friendly than windows. Its more stable than windows.. Its SO efficient on battery.. I basically love it! It feels like it can do so much and its only the budget laptop.

I must say though, I did crash it within about 10 minutes of booting it up but it was my fault. I tried to connect it to my linux box which, as it turned out, had a slightly faulty Samba setup. After tweaking the setup and learning that to connect it to samba, you have to specify the folder you're connecting to - it works fine!

I also agree with Indi on the fact that if all that bloke could complain about took him a few minutes then it shows how GOOD MacOSX is! If that was a video about windows - I doubt it'd ever end!
I think this video about sums up windows.. Makes me laugh EVERY time and the video is over 7 years old!!!
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9804/20/gates.comdex/gates.30.240.mov

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 04:46 Edited at: 17th Sep 2005 04:47
ROFL! Never used a Mac and after watching that I'm not sure I want to. I also watched that Windows movie... I suppose Windows got nervous, huh?
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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 07:25
macs WERE horrible like that...
i haven't used MAC OSX tho...i hear they are much much much better...


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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 09:23
OSX is niiiice. That video was funny though, at the junior high they all had OS9 or something, and at least half of them were always locked up, probably because of stupid kids, but hey you never see the windows machines at my high school doing that, but then again they're all XP.


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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 11:36 Edited at: 17th Sep 2005 11:40
hmmmm.....

What a load of rubbish, the type of mac he claimed to be using, we have one in my mum's room, and theres bugger all wrong with it, I had a PC equivalent of it, you know what, the PC was much much much more of a pain in the arse, by the sounds of things he hasn't a clue to use it, plus he prolly had a faulty hardware, that can be the case, not every system Mac or PC you buy theres gonna be one that is faulty, plus, unlike on a PC when it locks up, theres a way to get out of it, I dunno how to do it, I've seen my brother do it before, this guy to me just sounds like he's a PC fan having a go at Mac to get people to get PC's, plus if he made the video on mac, and 'when he opens a program it shuts down' doesn't he contradict himself?

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 11:46
That video is great. I had hte pleasure of using MacOS 9 to try and set up broadband on a friend's pc. 5 hours later I was finished .

I get what he means about the silent crashes! Happened a few times.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 12:40
but windows silently crashes too sometimes, although more often than silent its not so silent.. more of a "OH GOD!! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED THERE?" kind of crash (btw that was what i imagine windows would be thinking at the time).

I personally have found so far that MacOS X 10.4 (Tiger) is superbly stable! Put it this way - since I bought it a week ago I've restarted it once for the autoupdater on saturday morning a week ago. Since then I just shut the lid and it goes into sleep mode. It wakes up EXACTLY as I left it (I know windows can do it - but I tended to find it was less stable). I also have noticed no slowdown at all over the week its been running. That is good memory management!

I do, however, understand what he meant about the dock bar popping up if your mouse strays too close. There is a REALLY easy way to fix that.. Dont go to close! Get used to the fact that the bottom/side is reserved for it.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 12:48 Edited at: 17th Sep 2005 13:44
I know its pretty sweet, my brother's two mac laptops Run Tiger, me mum e-mac runs Panther, and her old I-mac, which seems to be criticised here, is Mac OS 8, and runs really well, not compatible to well with AOL dial up, but then AOL was directed at PC's.

The thing I love about mac's stability is you can't get virus's, my sister recieved one in her mail when on me mum's e-mac, it downloaded, Norton couldn't delete it...you know what happened next...nothing, thats because its structured in a way where no virus's can be programmed for it, and you can solve the 'freezing' problem without using the mains plug.

Anyway, the dude in that video should be shot


You know what would be great, if they made all these apple mac compatible;

Dark Basic Pro
Hitman 3
Final Fantasy VII and VIII
Sonic Heroes
My Music applications


and I'd be set, Splinter Cell, Neverwinter nights and Cinema 4D are apple mac compatible.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 14:57
I think Macs CAN get viruses - its just the userbase is still so heavy on windows that it makes more sense for a viruses to hit the majority of users. This is also the same reason linux "cant" get viruses... There is no point yet. I'm sure if a viruse maker put his/her mind to it then a virus for a mac would be easy because I would think relatively few mac users have a virus checker!

Compatibility is the main reason my main computer is a PC. The moment games become commonly mac compatible and more applications do too - I think it'll be a permanent move for me. I mean, even Office has made the move! Its a nice move too.

I wonder if the bloke in the video works for microsoft..........

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Quote: "probably because of stupid kids, but hey you never see the windows machines at my high school doing that, but then again they're all XP."

Well, XP was designed so idiots could use it. You can't use real operating systems if you're an idiot.

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Linux and Mac are well structured, I dunno much about linux, but Mac OS (well Mac OS X at least) is structured, so if anything finds its way on the hard drive with out permission from the admin (user) then it can't be used, oh course it doesn't come up with a pop up saying
'You have a virus on your system do you wish to install it?'


Quote: "Well, XP was designed so idiots could use it. You can't use real operating systems if you're an idiot."


True...then the lecture my ICT teacher gave us must of been directed at real real idiots...

our first lesson of ICT in 6th form was very very patronising (now, anyone who doesn't choose ict as a subject like me, is given a lesson a week of it, and because teachers being teachers automatically think we can't use a PC)
Lets give you an example;

This is the keyboard, type in you username like so, now how would I get the typing to the password box? Press enter, yes thank you, then you type in your password and click on log in.

Now click on the start menu and internet explorer, *he shows us where to go to get our Unit work from* now, I want to go back to my last page, how would I do that, ooh look theres a back button, convenient...by then I banged my head on the table....

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 18:24
Quote: "I use a mac and pc daily, ignorance on how to use a mac usually breeds this sort of whinger."


I think it's more amusing because it's a stereotypical view, this said it is more of the view from a MacOS9 user imo

Maya and Shake on my iMac would often just poof! for no reason at all. I mean I bet if you've been using them long enough saving every few minutes is a reflect action especially before you do something that is processor intensive.

The fault of this isn't so much the OS though, but rather the IBM PowerPC. 4xx Series PPC are quite notorious in how often they'll cause an internal error. So for the OS to have ever been as stable as it was, was quite amazing.

Since they moved to unix though, there's no denying there is a very clear fact it's now pretty stable no matter what your doing. Maya will still just close (more verbose now though) whenever you try something intensive. This said, it does the same on Windows... Linux I'm lucky if I can even get the damn thing to run for more than a few minutes without just going poof!

I mean so much changed between OS9 and OSX, although not so much visually speaking but definately stability and compatibility wise.
One gripe I have about OSX and it's only minor really, is it's slow.

Quote: "Well, XP was designed so idiots could use it. You can't use real operating systems if you're an idiot. "


If your Macintosh user then your either in the graphics industry, your a college student (why they get them is beyond me) or you don't know anything about computers and want something simple.

It's how Apple sold the iMac and PowerBook to the public, is through the fact that MacOS is actually fairly simple to use.

Quote: "(long, long ago... we had one mac and 30 apples)"


I take it I'm not the only one who sees a small snafu with that sentence? Unless he ment the rest of the kids were trying to use fruit, in which case you can see why that wouldn't work so well.

Anyone see futurama last night?
Bender: "And then on his screen appeared the Windows logo!"
Fry: "pfft! That's not so scary."
Bender: "It is if your a printer!"

heh ^_^

Quote: "I had hte pleasure of using MacOS 9 to try and set up broadband on a friend's pc. 5 hours later I was finished."


Windows 3.1 took me half the day.
Linux SuSE / Red Hat ... I got Broadband (ADSL) working in a few minutes, but it's been 4months and I still can't get it to connect to the Windows network via samba or share the connection.

For the Mac it's quite easy though, just a case of inputting the correct address (most modems have them on the bottom) and letting the OS sort the rest out. Pretty much does everything itself.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 19:05
Quote: "Linux and Mac are well structured, I dunno much about linux, but Mac OS (well Mac OS X at least) is structured, so if anything finds its way on the hard drive with out permission from the admin (user) then it can't be used, oh course it doesn't come up with a pop up saying
'You have a virus on your system do you wish to install it?'"


Os x might be well structured but it has a large number of users that are clueless about security similar to windows. Unlike windows however you can do stupid things on os x and 99.9% of the time get away with it. There are a lot of os x users that don't take security seriously because they haven't been burnt yet and they think macs are immune.

Requiring the admin password to install software will only provide protection if you use a good password and don't manually install bad software by accident.
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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 20:09
Quote: "If your Macintosh user then your either in the graphics industry, your a college student (why they get them is beyond me) or you don't know anything about computers and want something simple.

It's how Apple sold the iMac and PowerBook to the public, is through the fact that MacOS is actually fairly simple to use."


I thought that's how it went. XP may be designed for idiots, but the school administrator has got Novel set up on all of them like a blooming idiot, disables every other option it's not supposed to, and so you get kids clicking on things furiously and all that fun stuff you're not supposed to do, but they still always start back up, albeit a little slower.


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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 21:24
So programs just close on a Mac? No error message either ?

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Posted: 17th Sep 2005 21:27
Sometimes, but that isn't very common. That's far more likely to happen in Linux.

MacOS generally likes to give you an error message asking if you want to see what went wrong. That's when the system usually hangs or reboots.

.. wait .. I'm not sure that sounds much better actually.

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He's talking about spyware but blaming it on mac

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Sounds like a dodgy OS

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or that yes

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Hmm, I don't think Happy Nowhere will be happy at them taking the credits off the end.... http://www.happynowhere.net/mac_parody.php
I hate it when people do that, rip media and then claim it as their own - if you're going to include it on your site, stick your own site's watermark on it.. surely you should keep the credits on there? I'd be pretty mad if that happened to me!

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Quote: " Sometimes, but that isn't very common. That's far more likely to happen in Linux."


ROFL. This has never happened to me before with any Linux distr---- oh never mind, what's the use

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Quote: "Quote: " Sometimes, but that isn't very common. That's far more likely to happen in Linux."

ROFL. This has never happened to me before with any Linux distr---- oh never mind, what's the use "


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It's happened to me with linux, but I was on aan old system with only 128MB of RAM. It's quite annoying that it doesn't give a reason for closing the application - at least with Windows you have a chance to see what the problem is.

I can't comment on OS/OS X. I've only ever used a Mac once and that was before my 10th birthday - way before - so I don't really remember much.

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well, thing is, with the older macs, people had as much problems as PC's did on average, so really, they were kinda equal competitors, but Mac used IBM, which weren't as good as Intel, so well, Windows went ahead of the game, and Mac make OS X...and well, it kicks Windows in the balls, spits in the face shouting 'in your face tubby'
Really, windows is good for what its there for, people with less money who want power and play PC games etc, or as some people put it, stupid people, and macs are for people who need stability, and a lack of viruses, like designers, or people who are completely pissed at windows, and well, I never looked into Linux and uses, so I can't comment why people use them .



Quote: "There are a lot of os x users that don't take security seriously because they haven't been burnt yet and they think macs are immune"


Then they are idiots, virus's are really really hard to get to work on macs and almost impossible because of the administration principle...but there is always a way around security, theres always a reason for Norton on the mac, Macs are a lot safer, but you can't take full advantage, like with anything

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I've been using linux for about 3-4 years on and off and have experienced many flavours and versions and have only EVER experience 1 lockup and then when my girlfriend used it. I;ve tried to convince her there would be damned good money for her in testing software as she had managed to make things crash in ways I never even thought of! But my point is.. and this is aimed at Raven.. I cant help but think it is you doing something wrong with linux if you;re making it THAT unstable. God knows what it could be - might even just be the fact YOUR using it (as it is with my girlfriend and linux), but the fact is, your experience with linux seems to be very unusual.

I agree it can be a bitch to get things to run on it as you want.. hell it took me 6 hours to compile the right plugin for PHP on my workplace linux development server so that it could resize images for thumbnails for use with a gallery program for an internal blog!

Thing is - as long as it took me, linux IS stable. My homeserver is a crappy old 450Mhz machine with a history of breaking hard disks.. Its also running an 80Gb Maxtor hard disk.. My experience of maxtors is closely related to instability.. This afternoon, the hard disk seems to have developed an instability with the filesystem. Windows would probably carry on regardless, or even happily igonarnt of the problem and then severely crash when it was too late. Linux detected the problem up front and then disabled wiriting to the hard disk to preserve the data on it already. All I need to do now is figure out how to either fix the problem to restore working order, or simply mount it in my computer as read only and get the data off and start again.. Compare this to windows crashing and losing all the data alltogether.

Just for reference - I'm STILL using the mac withour restarting and I spent a few hours using dreamweaver today - as I recall when I used to use it in windows, it tended to have memory leaks all over the place!!! hehe..

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hehe.. maybe.. I know that when I used a PC and people went on at me about how godlike Macs were, I was always like "yeah yeah... whatever Mr anti-micro$oft".. but now I do know what they mean. It just feels nicer to use!

Thing is - I still keep going back to windows - not because I like it, but because my games and applications I like are only available for Windows. Mac has good applications of its own, like the widget thingy (fn+F12 on my iBook) to bring the screen of widgets up is superb.. Its just very nicely layed out. I just wish my windows apps ran.. Suppose I should give VirtualPC a go at some point - thing is, I cant QUITE see the point in emulating a PC on my iBook when I have a 2.5Ghz machine sitting next to me whirring away!

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raven for programs that crash without error, check the console,(in utlities, not the terminal) and check for kernel panics and data regarding the program that terminated.
/Library/Logs/CrashReporter
Finder.crash.log
panic.log

sometimes it can be as stupid as a font not loading that can make a program act weird.

logs will show the problem.


with my dual 2.5ghz i have a panicing kernel since last month thats panicing a lot more then usual, this means the CPU is prolly stuffed or some ram is not 100%, anyway malloc(); HELL
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ClamXav is a good free virus checker for macs using OSX
mac os x can get virii just like any other operating system kids. thats a given in any OS unless your using your own build of linux and decide to write your own virus for your own Linux distro and infect yourself for some odd reason.


with a lot of crashes on OSX,
A lot of people suggest to repair your disk permissions but the underlying problem with this is that it wont repair 3rd party permissions always as in the case of say maya. especially pir8 versions.

once you know how to effectively control an operating system as you all know with windows its fairly plain sailing as with me and os x.

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Quote: "at least with Windows you have a chance to see what the problem is."


Yeah, if you like reading obscure hex values

All kidding aside, I think Mac crashes are cute. The picture of the bomb really adds to the atmosphere--- almost makes you happy that it crashed.

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AHAHAHAHA!

Omg! That was so damned funny!

I don't care if Macs are stable or not, just that video was damned funny!

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Quote: "raven for programs that crash without error, check the console,(in utlities, not the terminal) and check for kernel panics and data regarding the program that terminated.
/Library/Logs/CrashReporter
Finder.crash.log
panic.log"


Yeah I've got in to a habbit of doing that, but often the issues are some conflict error. Rather than the OS dealing with the issue at hand it just kills the process. While I suppose this does prevent damage, there are other processes that because of how the OS is designed it won't unhook them until the process completes it's task, and unfortunately often these relate to the FileSystem.

ReiserFS is possibly the most stable I've come across so far, but even without the issue of defragging. I would personally prefer to defrag every month rather than having the possibility of Linux locking my data in an operation and because it's already done halfway when it's internal termination signal was sent it'll continue until it completes the task; there is a nasty bug in there though that seems ot offset what it was looking for by the zero mbr addres rather than the last cyclinder. This causes the drive to perform a read operation it should *never* do.

Best case scenario is bad clusters. Most common is your HDD gains a nasty clicking noise and can no longer be read. Windows and MacOSX would simply drop the read and claim the data is corrupt. If this is true or not is beside the point.. loosing one byte of data is better than the entire disk though.

Whenever I run Linux nowadays it's always in Failsafe (Runmode 3), so I have a Process Terminal open. Shows me what's going on when, do the same in Windows whenever I'm developing anything that could kill the system.

Quote: "Yeah, if you like reading obscure hex values"


Report the issue 9:10 the report will generate the exact issue. You can also run the process through Visual Studio 2002-2005 Debug allowing you to manually find the issue in a work environment you understand.

While the Hex value in the report doesn't make a lot of sense on it's own, it does when debugged correctly. The report also files and lets developers know exactly which Library / Executable was to blame using the ASM Linker you can find out which line caused the issue. Again if you have the source there, then using the Visual Studio Debug will do this automatically for you.

While I might be able to crash more operating systems than most, I've never seen evidence that my experience is unique with an OS aside from Millennium Edition. For some reason I seem to be the only damn person I know who didn't have had any issues with it.

I find it the best Windows of the entire series.

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Quote: "I find it the best Windows of the entire series."


Which one? Win Me? Woah.

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I know! Raven must be the only person who likes ME

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got that one right....






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*Shudder* WinME gives me nightmares...

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You actually DREAM about WinME?

Wow, that's actually kinda freaky!

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Quote: "cos we all love you instead, gimme a hug"

Pay me first...

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but we know what the problem is...windows

@Raven ... defrag on a Unix file system? wow!, there was me thinking you don`t need to defrag, something about smart file management?, and ANY version of Linux I have installed can find the Windows network easily enough automaticaly, be it Red hat, Suse, Ubuntu, Debian or DSL, samba is configured to find it automagicaly in all those distro`s, never had a problem, not once, maybe you need more modern hardware, only issue I have with Linux is usb plug and play support, but since they only recently included it into the kernel I can wait, it can only get better?

as for hexadecimal, I seem to recall one of the windows error codes is the hexadecimal sequence 48454c5021, if you translate to ascii it spells HELP!



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Quote: "something about smart file management?"

Yes, its so smart it messes up the complete file structure so you cant use it again...

Quote: "but we know what the problem is...windows"

Not all the time - I have found that most problems are caused by dodgy third party software, especially XP drivers (used to get a lot of BSOD with nVidia drivers). Another example is the drivers for Philips sound cards.

Is it my imagination or is a lot more drivers being released without being WHQL'd ?

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