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Geek Culture / Doubt he's a Mac fan...

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Raven
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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 15:26
Quote: "@Raven ... defrag on a Unix file system? wow!, there was me thinking you don`t need to defrag, something about smart file management?"


learn to read

Quote: "and ANY version of Linux I have installed can find the Windows network easily enough automaticaly, be it Red hat, Suse, Ubuntu, Debian or DSL, samba is configured to find it automagicaly in all those distro`s, never had a problem, not once, maybe you need more modern hardware"


What a most retarded comment. If anything it's better to actually have hardware a generation behind what Windows and MacOSX are capable of running because support often just isn't there until it's left to the community to add.

Samba isn't flawless, neither is the Linux network code. Just because it works with your hardware setup doesn't automatically mean it'll work for everyone else without issue.

Quote: "Not all the time - I have found that most problems are caused by dodgy third party software, especially XP drivers (used to get a lot of BSOD with nVidia drivers). Another example is the drivers for Philips sound cards."


That's never happened to me, by what people have said in several threads now obviously the fault is with something your doing.
Personally I think that's bull though, given all drivers go through Windows it can detect any issue that will cause a crash. The driver might not be certificated but there is nothing the user has done wrong. There's a chance the issue could be with the hardware, the operating system or the driver. Unless you know how to debug the problem you'll never know.

However because you got a BSOD, this means it was Windows no the driver. Windows allowed the driver to access an area of the memory that had been either corrupt or was being used by another system process (that's the only reason BSOD appear now btw). So what is to fault... the drivers? or windows?
Windows is allowing the access, the drivers are doing the illegal activity.

Thing is though as far as the drivers are conserned it's accessing perfectly fine. It's doing what it's suppose to. The error has occured because Windows isn't.

You'll find this is the major contributing factor to MANY crash, hang, etc. you'll come across. More often than not it's just a compatiblity error with that hardware rather than with software.
Software itself very rarely accesses directly...

Especially true in Linux and Windows. If you wish to access hardware it needs to go through the Kernel as direct access is prohibited to prevent the very crash and hang issues that happen.

Fine so Linux runs perfectly fine for a large number of users.. what do I care. I'm obviously part of that small percentage who has nothing but grief from it. That's just luck. What pisses me off about it though is the simple fact that no one is ever willing to even accept there IS an issue.

No it's always down to user-error, because there could never be anything wrong with the 'god' of all operating systems can there. Wake the **** up. It's attitudes like that, which quite frankly are keeping Microsoft as the top dog of the industry.

Why? because they actually listen to the customers and are constantly fixxing issues. No doubt you'll get some Linux retard sitting there saying "Well Windows is just that buggy."
BULL-FREAKING-CRAP

It's because they actually bother to take things seriously rather than assume what they've done is good enough.

Someone finds a security flaw in Linux the initial reaction is, "You've not set it up correctly."

Someone finds a security flaw in Windows, Microsoft adds it to thier To-Do list and you get a patch for it within a matter of weeks.

If the security issue was down to users not setting something up or not, Microsoft will ALWAYS spend time making it so it's not something you have to worry about. You can get back to using your programs rather than eternally setting up your configuration each time you install something new.

No doubt this will get a response of again how I'm just moaning cause of user-error or something else only pertaining to me. Fact is everyone has different experiences..

if it is user-error, then fine you get off your ass and help. if not then don't plug up your ears singing 'Linux is great' to yourself.

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 15:45
The problem is that there are too many different configurations of hardware - at least thats one small advantage of having/using a console...

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 15:50
I was thinking... Why arent more Linux distros made for mac?

Would that be easier, seeing as most apple computers are the same hardware configuration...


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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 16:25
On the topic of Linux, how do you uninstall it? I'd like my 10Gb of space back after the end of the term, and Linux pretty much sits in the back of the hard drive doing nothing. I'm worried about screwing up my MBR or leaving GRUB behind or something like that.

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 16:45 Edited at: 18th Sep 2005 16:54
for XP start the recovery console by inserting your windoze install disk and following the prompts, then type

FIXMBR

reboot into winderz (you can`t do anything else since FIXMBR removes the GRUB/LILO link) and then go start/control panel/admin tools/computer management

then click disk management, and delete the Linux (unknown) partition, after that right click and remake it for windows, then format it, if you delete the swapspace and filesytem at the same time you can get it back as one whole chunk.



@Raven: my bad...you used a sentence structure that had the form of a double negative, it read like you thought the reiser defrag was a issue..on second look I see what you meant to say"

Quote: "ReiserFS is possibly the most stable I've come across so far, but even without the issue of defragging"


I was just thinking that you seem to have reliabilty problems with your hardware all the time, thats normaly an indication that the system is ready for a upgrade, you can get that problem where you have later "backward compatable" devices that don`t quite work right with earlier not totaly compliant devices etc, I tend to try to make sure that all my components are current and of the same standard wherever possible, in my experience Linux is far more network friendly than windows, it may not be for you, but to me it is so easy to use I can`t help but think you have some hardware problems maybe, oh and damn but you must type fast, it took you no time to post that lot.



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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 18:10
Quote: "I was thinking... Why arent more Linux distros made for mac?"


what are you talking about? just change your Kernel to PPC, it works as well as it does on the x86.

i mean you can't run binaries but there aren't a huge number of them. most are in RPM

Quote: "I was just thinking that you seem to have reliabilty problems with your hardware all the time, thats normaly an indication that the system is ready for a upgrade"


What the hell is more recent than an AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+, 512MB PC5300, GeForce 7800 GTX PCI-E, 2x 250GB SATA 150 + 1x ATA/133 250GB?

Seriously... it doesn't matter if the hardware is current, top-notch or low-end. I've tried my Linux variants on all of them. The results might vary on what goes wrong, but I guarentee you there is something that will require me to take a day or two to correct before I get an OS stable enough for daily use. Each time I upgrade I then have to make sure again everything plays nicely.

And sorry but I just don't have that sort of time to sit there pissing around with the OS every 2-3weeks just to make sure it's working how it should've out of the box!

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 18:14 Edited at: 18th Sep 2005 18:15
Sounds like you're in the wrong profession, Raven.

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 18:18
wrong profession? how so?
i don't have to use Linux at work ^_^

in-fact i've never had a job where it was even considered for use aside from some server machine that just sits there like a lump doing nothing. always found that quite funny, i mean it's proclaimed as the most stable and best OS of them all... so what do businesses use it for? Webserver.

just classic

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 18:59
Quote: "what are you talking about? just change your Kernel to PPC, it works as well as it does on the x86."


So all I need to do is get an x86 linux install cd and swap the kernel? You don't half talk some rubbish at times. The cd won't even boot.
Lets just pretend for a minute we are in fantasy land and despite the x86 isolinux boot loader the installer cd boots and loads the PPC kernel. Now what?
The installer is an x68 program or perhaps a load of shell scripts which need a shell to run. Neither will work because they are compiled for x86.
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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 22:03
no, I meant because all the software you go near seems to crash.

Kind of like trying to be a fisherman, but all of the 12 boats you've owned in the last 5 years have sunk

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 22:23
Quote: ""cos we all love you instead, gimme a hug""

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Pay me first...
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lol

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 22:53
Quote: "Report the issue 9:10 the report will generate the exact issue."


Excuse my ignorance, but doesn't this report the issue to Microsoft? If I'm working on a piece of software, I don't want MS to know about it.

Quote: "Someone finds a security flaw in Windows, Microsoft adds it to thier To-Do list and you get a patch for it within a matter of weeks."


*cough* Wow, I almost choked on my food when I read that. Weeks? Are you sure?? Proof?

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Posted: 18th Sep 2005 22:59
OMMFG!!! HAHAHAHA!! THat was SOOOO funny! But they are better for video editing.

I may not be good in school, may not hae had a girl for a while, ma not had a social life in years, BUT I"M STILL THE ONLY ONE IN SCHOOL WHO KNOWS HOW TO MAKE GAMES!!!

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Posted: 19th Sep 2005 02:26
Quote: "So all I need to do is get an x86 linux install cd and swap the kernel? You don't half talk some rubbish at times. The cd won't even boot."


What are you retarded or something? Do you even know how the hell Linux works... or come to this matter how the LiveCDs work.

Tell ya what as a test how about you find a 2.0 LiveCD and copy the contents to your HDD, swap out the Kernel for v2.6 and see how far you get. Then come back to me and tell me what I said was wrong.
Freaking moron.

It's like dealing with children who constantly feel like trying to be big men by talking about subject they know sod all about.

How about we go slow...
What happens when you upgrade your Kernel?

The Core System does a recompile, this includes all drivers you have currently attached. Right?

Now why does this happen?

To make sure that the compatibility is maintained as update might cause instability through minor or major changes. This makes sure that your system will still run just as it did prior to the update.

So... if all of your binaries are recompiled when you install a new kernel, what do you think would happen if you upgraded the kernel to PPC.
(the question of how do you do this to begin with is simple, burn to CD/DVD a PPC variant of your current OS. SuSE and Red Hat both provide these.. and then select (re)install. Bob's your uncle it'll upgrade your system with the new core functionality while retaining any previous data and setup.)

Well the answer is simple, it would simply recompile all of the core libraries using the new PPC code in that kernel. In tern any RPM that are run will in-turn also compile and run AS PPC. This is why I mentioned that while you can't run any Binaries (aka Pre-Compiled Binaries) you can still upgrade and run any code you would've otherwise.

I means upgrading to a PPC machine is fairly painless, past the initial booting. That in itself isn't particularly difficult.

Yet no doubt I'm sure you know better than the companies who've been providing *nix variants for over 15years now.

Quote: "Excuse my ignorance, but doesn't this report the issue to Microsoft? If I'm working on a piece of software, I don't want MS to know about it."


Accesses the Microsoft Online Crash Database. It's 100% Automatic, pretty much like a forum's backend code. While sure Rich could sneak off and read posts from the database, the likelihood of him doing this is pretty much ziltch.

Kinda typical paranoia, that Microsoft are spying on what your doing though.

Quote: "*cough* Wow, I almost choked on my food when I read that. Weeks? Are you sure?? Proof?"


When Microsoft recieved and acknowledge issues with security they post them up for all to see and how to temporarily fix them until a perminant solution can be created.

The adverage waiting time between these reports and a patch is 2-4weeks. Microsoft tend to prefer to bundle several fixxes each month rather than as-and-when. I would've thought that that in itself was pretty common knowledge amongst all developers.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2005 03:09
Quote: "Kinda typical paranoia, that Microsoft are spying on what your doing though."


Not really, when you consider it's Microsoft. Even their Passport EULA explicitly states that they can read your Hotmail emails and use confidential business ideas to their advantage without compensation.

If I'm creating some crappy software that's been done a million times, then I wouldn't care about them peeking in, which as you said they wouldn't do anyways. But the stuff I'm working on is unique in that it's different enough that MS might be interested in using themselves.

But since you don't know anymore about how MS processes and stores these crashes and code than the rest of us, I'll consider your point of view about this topic third-party like everyone else.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2005 03:17
FFS, RAVEN!

Stop calling people retarded!
'tis quite offensive.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2005 03:17 Edited at: 19th Sep 2005 03:43
Quote: "What are you retarded or something? Do you even know how the hell Linux works... or come to this matter how the LiveCDs work."


Well I have made the odd linux live cd so I figure I at least have a slight understanding of the process.

Quote: "Tell ya what as a test how about you find a 2.0 LiveCD and copy the contents to your HDD, swap out the Kernel for v2.6 and see how far you get. Then come back to me and tell me what I said was wrong.
Freaking moron."


What the hell is a "2.0 LiveCD"? A live cd with v2.0 of the kernel? v2.0 from some distro?
Anyway today I installed slackware 10.2. Which uses a 2.4 kernel by defaut but provides an optional 2.6 kernel. I installed and booted it with 2.4 and then installed the 2.6 package and rebooted and it worked fine.

Quote: "What happens when you upgrade your Kernel?"


1. Download source from http://kernel.org.
2. unpack source.
3. run make menuconfig and configure.
4. compile kernel and any optional modules.
5. Install modules and copy new kernel image somewhere in /boot/
6. Run lilo.
7. Reboot.

Or if you go the pre compiled route.
1. new kernel goes in /boot/
2. modules go in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/
3. run lilo
4. reboot.

Quote: "The Core System does a recompile, this includes all drivers you have currently attached. Right?"


What core system?

Quote: "To make sure that the compatibility is maintained as update might cause instability through minor or major changes. This makes sure that your system will still run just as it did prior to the update."


What? nothing of the sort happens. It's possible to configure the new kernel so that features your programs need are missing and the programs will no longer work. If you really muck it up then you can easily compile a kernel that won't even boot.

Quote: "So... if all of your binaries are recompiled when you install a new kernel, what do you think would happen if you upgraded the kernel to PPC."


Now you are really in lala land. No binaries are recompiled when you install a new kernel. If I refer back to the slackware example upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 took about 20 seconds. It's impossible for the binaries to be recompiled in such a short time. Plus I only downloaded the binaries not the source. How can the binaries be recompiled with no source?
If I upgrade with a PPC kernel I'm going to have a PPC kernel which clearly won't work when I reboot and a load of x86 program binaries.

Quote: "Well the answer is simple, it would simply recompile all of the core libraries using the new PPC code in that kernel. In tern any RPM that are run will in-turn also compile and run AS PPC. This is why I mentioned that while you can't run any Binaries (aka Pre-Compiled Binaries) you can still upgrade and run any code you would've otherwise."


How would it recompile anything? It's an x86 live cd, it contains no code capable from running on PPC. Put it in a mac and nothing will happen even with a PPC kernel. The PPC kernel will never boot because the x86 live cd uses a bootloader that is compiled for x86.
Even if you do get the PPC kernel to boot then what? The kernel on it's own is pretty much useless. You have no shell so can't type stuff, you can't ssh in because ssh is compiled for x86. All you would have is a screen with the kernel messages on, useless.

Quote: "I means upgrading to a PPC machine is fairly painless, past the initial booting. That in itself isn't particularly difficult."


You can't even run doom 3 on linux or according to your rants configure linux so it doesn't constantly crash. Somehow though you have no problem getting x86 code to run on a PPC machine.

Quote: "Yet no doubt I'm sure you know better than the companies who've been providing *nix variants for over 15years now."


Yeah I'm sure all those linux distros that provide separate livecds for PPC and x86 are just stupid and don't realise they could do it with one cd if they just stuck the PPC kernel on the x86 disk.

Once again you have shown you complete lack of understanding of a subject and instead resort to dropping buzzwords, making stuff up and insulting people.
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Posted: 19th Sep 2005 04:48
Quote: "What are you retarded or something?"

I actually know a few retarded people, and they're a heck a lot smarter than anyone on these forums...


Eat some of dat cheese
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I just think it was a funny movie... I never expected this to get to a discussion about whether Mac sucks or not.

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dont sweat it, being the most advocate of mac users here, I see this all the time.
Im not worried about misinformation produced at any level.
the contradiction is that he made that movie on the mac.

what i like the most is introducing a hard core pc weener to my g5 and showing them games running at hundreds of fps's, a free completed intergrated compiler and development system with a wide range of tools for 3d 2d and database etc..

the editing software for 3d 2d audio and video.

the eyes just get wider and wider and you can see the adams apple in their throat go up and down as they swallow their pride and older ideals about what the apple platform can really deliver.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 11:49
what mac have you got? I only have an iBook (the cheap ass 12" one they do), but I love it to bits! Its SO much better than my mums Sony Vaio laptop!

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i still own all of these machines
but i dont use anything below the laptops anymore unless im nostalgic

g5 2500 dual 3 gigs ram 9800xt 256
g4 800 1.5ram blue ATI 32meg
g3 400 laptop 256 ram
g3 266 laptop 256 ram
ppc 7100 80 128 ram
quadra 25 mhz with fpu
macplus 16mhz 4meg ram 20 meg hd

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Quote: "what mac have you got? I only have an iBook (the cheap ass 12" one they do), but I love it to bits! Its SO much better than my mums Sony Vaio laptop!"

...Never buy a sony labtop. There the first ones to be outdated, and they have horrible tech support.

I can't agree more with this awesome movie. I've only used macs in school, thank god, and I've expirienced at one time or another almost every problem he's talked about. On the other hand, I've been using Windows since I was five, and believe it or not, I've never had a chrash, and the only real problem I've had is with service pack 2, when all of a sudden a fourth of my games stopped working. There are things I don't like about windows quite often, I just don't hate it as much as many people here seem to.

And is it just me, or is the new Mac os really anoying and hard to navigate? I mean, the old ones sucked, but this new one seems almost imposible next to the felxible and understandeble XP.

btw,

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Quote: "I've been using Windows since I was five, and believe it or not, I've never had a chrash"


Well, how old are you?
Just kidding.

I've been using Windows regularly since... well... For about 5 years I think. Since I got my own PC, I've had 100's of problems with Windows. So maybe you're just lucky?

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 15:34 Edited at: 21st Sep 2005 15:35
Quote: "And is it just me, or is the new Mac os really anoying and hard to navigate?"


Just you I've used windows/KDE/Gnome and Workbench 1.3 and 3.0 (back in the days of the Amiga) but Tiger was a little difficult to get used to (little thing like the "start" button at the top left, not bottom left... The close/minimised buttons moved to the top left, not top right, etc)... But over all its a much cleaner, more intuitive and consisten OS GUI than any I've ever used... Now i'm more used to it - its quicker to navigate and looks nicer!

Its never crashed apart from my screwy Samba setup on a linux box... Windows regularly screws up for me.

EDIT:
@Indi - Thats a metric s**t load of Macs!!

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 16:21 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2005 09:46
Quote: "FFS, RAVEN!

Stop calling people retarded!
'tis quite offensive."


tough, i couldn't care less how offensive it is

On second thought, I'll stop, how's that?

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 20:34 Edited at: 21st Sep 2005 20:39
Quote: "Bull, it takes that long to mearly copy the files. And don't try to claim you've got some super quick HDD that can do it quicker because the speed limitation is set by the accessing time of the number of files not the size of them."


All it does is extract the files from a .tgz and stick them in the right place. Hardly a time consuming operation.
Nothing else needs to be done apart from configuring the boot loader to use the new kernel.
No recompiling of "CORE software" or X or anything else. It's perfectly possible to do it if you haven't installed a compiler.
You can download the packages yourself and see they only contain binaries not source.
kernel-generic-2.6.13-i486-1.tgz 1.63 MB [04-Sep-05] [Gzip tar file]
kernel-modules-2.6.13-i486-1.tgz 11.25 MB [04-Sep-05] [Gzip tar file]
are the two packages.
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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 21:01
Quote: "
Quote: "FFS, RAVEN!

Stop calling people retarded!
'tis quite offensive."

tough, i couldn't care less how offensive it is"



In that logic....your a retard besides retard should'nt be an insult....




Well while I'm at it, I've had a few computers and the only ones that have been unstable are the windows ones

Acorn something....played with about aged 7
Amiga 500+ played when 6-8(loved the thing)
Windows 95 machine, was stable in places, hardware was only prob, didn't have it for long anyway
Windows 98 SE - Reinstalled windows 2 times, had a lot of virus's, it died. Slow down after time
Windows 98 SE(me 2nd one)-Reinstalled windows 4 times, motherboard went, slowed down after time

Current System-XP- reinstalled windows 5 times, looks like its gonna be 6, slows down after a few weeks/months after each reinstall.

Other systems;
Mac OS 8 G3, no problems
Mac OS X, E-macG4- Panther edition, very smooth, no problems
Mac OS X I-book G4-Tiger edition, very smooth, logic board went, but got a free replacement and installing from apple.
Mac OS X Power book g4-Tiger edition, veru smooth, no problems.


SO in my experience, Windows has been the biggest pain whenever and whatever the version.

So the person who's used windows since 5, you must of been really lucky or only used it only for word processing kidding, it would crash at that

The fuuniest thing I had with windows was with me first Win98, it used to crash if you had a CD running and ejected the CD, in other systems, the computer takes ages and slows down and sometimes freezes up, macs, just have stop using the data on the disc, stopped the disk running and ejected, no monkey business

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 22:39
I haven't restarted my iBook in 2 weeks and its still running stable and smooth. I tried the same thing with my PC by putting it in sleep mode every night and, low and behold, after about 5-6 days of gaming and browsing the net, it was nowhere near as quick. Late on the 6th day it decided it didn't want to wake up anymore. It turned on, but no windows... Had to reach for the reset button. (FYI, my PC does the sleep mode where the entire lot turns off... Its not hibernate, something like suspend to RAM?)

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2005 14:44
Mac fanboys...

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2005 16:49
i just removed 800 malware /spyware from a pc for $200 today,
none of which can be run on a mac unless you have virt pc.

when the spybot search and destroy database reports 29000 ware type apps and AVG reports a database of over 100,000 infectious applications available for you to get infected by, you have to consider why you use that system for your business,
productivity sinks dramatically.

after doing this kind of work for years intermittently this is the 2nd largest infection on a company machine i have seen.

I had to tell the client not to use the internal browser made by the same company as his OS because its fault ridden. ( Safari has no issues like this)

Doesnt that tell you something? if not, stay in your bedroom with that sticky mouse of yours.

I removed 6 trojans and a series of registry changes that was hijacking IE.
I installed firefox and trained them to use it.

tomorrow is a macosx job 10.2 permissions problem im thinking.
I could SSH into the machine from home but people dont like to pay
money when they cant see you or see what they are getting.

thank god there is ignorant users around to make my wallet fat, the windows luzas are the best as there computers are always mega farked up.


as for the cockroach that mentions his iddy biddy pc has never crashed we know thats bollocks as far as the eye can see.

if this client switched to a mac platform i wouldnt make so much money fixing there infested pc, each time. One of the business owners is going to buy a g4 laptop after realising what my laptop(only 400mhz but runs osx) can do.

The clencher was when i was repairing the pc it crashed about 3 times trying to remove the crappy crap crap in it, and one of the business owners had to surf the web and send emails with attachments on my mac while i fixed his pc.

im not about to say that no system crashes or has faults.
what i have stated tho above is the kind of daily torment someone goes through to fix pcs.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2005 16:55
Vista should have better security in it...



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Posted: 23rd Sep 2005 17:12 Edited at: 23rd Sep 2005 17:18
that wont count for the mentality of pc users who like to write virii, send trojans, install sypware with affiliate programs worth millions of dollars.

the OS known as windows is not to blame, its the "abusers" of the system and the moral compass that pushes it into oblivion next to the dodo.


the users screw windows into the ground, mac users have a dark side as well but its a much smaller contingent having a much smaller user base group, however with unix introduced mac has two breeds of users, power unix gurus jumping ship from bsd / gentoo etc, and designer types who just want to get the $20000 DVD master compiled and sent to the CD duplicator for a million copies.

Windows is hardly a stroke of genius, Microsoft have stolen ideas for years instead of inventing decent stuff within there own style, or consuming smaller companies to get the stolen edge they always vehemently adhere to.

Its become the common majority of systems used around the world its bound to pick common muck principles.

how will vista be any different, I hardly fail to see any major changes.
A password entered in by an idiot to allow something to pass is not really a password.
Comcast a large ISP even stuffed up the mac install of its PPP software leaving certain files open for all users to peruse across the internet, Im not totally biased I know when there are faults to the macs OS etc..

People are having a lot of problems with file permissions in OSX but Apple fails to tell you that the permissions fix only works ont he OS and the applications they have created, not third party products like Suitcase etc..

next year im upgrading my g5 or flat out buying an INTELOSX and a copy of vista with a dual boot to know what its like and keep my productivity and knowledge up to date.

My whole office has moved away from windows, My main use of windows is for DBP for my pc and I still have a machine around in case work permitts i need to use it, the whole OS needs a revamp even vista already, the beta 1 that was released a while back now is so much like mac in many aspects, they are hobbling pieces together and its very late and behind in schedule. Im slowly making more inroads with Xcode2.0 and OpenGL.

Im installing more versions of linux onto computers for clients then any other time in history. Point of sale machies and word/excel based open office boxes.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2005 22:18
Now it's suddenly a discussion about if Windows sucks or not...
Personally, I like Windows. But that's propably because I haven't ever tried any other OS.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2005 02:32
Quote: "I've been using Windows regularly since... well... For about 5 years I think. Since I got my own PC, I've had 100's of problems with Windows. So maybe you're just lucky?"

Not lucky, my dad's a... computer consultant? Well, he fixes peoples servers and such when they ignore his advise and do something bad to their computer/server. He also is an associate of many companies including Microsoft, so we tend to get the latest updates and OS’s before they come out. And when I started using windows, the only thing I did on it was play a game called Hellbender, so I didn't actually get a chance to screw up the computer. I guess I have been lucky, but I'm not going to have all the computer protection I do now within a little over a year... (I'm 16 and 1/2, so I started using a computer with Windows 95, only without crashes). Right now I have XP office version, and the only errors I get are when some outside publishers product does something wrong. I like how the computer still runs fine after that happens also.
Windows doesn't suck, Microsoft just controls everything. I've tried other OS's, and I just like how easy to use I find using XP. That and how everything runs on it.

Also, the new apple movie maker has many bugs. Mac is apparently trying to fix it, but they have no clue what the problem is. I don't like Mac, but then again I was put in classes that were two levels to easy for me last year in school and I couldn't change it, all because a new Mac system failed. You know the new Mac Laptops? My school keeps them in amazing condition, yet only one in every five actually starts up or doesn't freeze.

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