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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 03:45
How much do you really know about the all powerfull CPUs?

1. All CPUs are the same size. (True or False?)
2. CPU voltage varies depending on the generation and brand name of the CPU. (True or False?)
3. Chip pullers are designed to remove the heatsink from the top of the CPU. (True or False?)
4. ZIF sockets are used to connect the CPU to memory on the system board. (True or False?)
5. Which is faster, the 8088 processor or the 80486 processor? Why?



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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 05:51
1: FALSE, i have a beasty CPU right here that is side mounted.
2: FALSE, depends on the motherboard settings
3: FALSE, it removes shavings and such
4: TRUE, because all the others are FALSE and I have no idea what a ZIF is
5: 8088, because it's a smaller number, and morons like to trick people by asking stupid questions that trick people.


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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 06:11 Edited at: 20th Sep 2005 06:11
1: False
2: False
3: False
4: True, for the same reason Yarr said so
5: 80486.. Because i like bigger numbers more.



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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 11:57 Edited at: 20th Sep 2005 12:01
486 came long after the 8088, mind you. ^_^

So since 486 is the newer architecture (where most of the folowing processors are based on), it would be faster than 8088, even at the same clock speed.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 12:31
1) False.. Athlon compared to a 64Bit AMD.. Massive difference!
2) True... I think... Surely a 386 requires less voltage than a 64Bit 4.5Ghz!?!
3) False.. as I have never heard of one!
4) False.. ZIF sockets just connect the CPU to the mainboard. I think it goes to the northbridge as well as the main RAM from there. ZIF = Zero Insertion Force
5) 80486... 8088 is REALLY old (I think)!

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 17:15 Edited at: 20th Sep 2005 17:16
1. All CPUs are the same size. (True or False?)
False. Ever saw a P2?

2. CPU voltage varies depending on the generation and brand name of the CPU. (True or False?)
False. Motherboard settings, socket type, other stuff.

3. Chip pullers are designed to remove the heatsink from the top of the CPU. (True or False?)
False.

4. ZIF sockets are used to connect the CPU to memory on the system board. (True or False?)
False. A ZIF socket ( Zero Insertion Force ) is a socket that allows you to insert/remove the chip without tools, and connects the processor to the motherboard.

5. Which is faster, the 8088 processor or the 80486 processor? Why?
486 came after the 8088 (therefore logically faster). Never used the 8088, my first PC was a 80286.

Is this your homework or something?

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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 18:12
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Is this your homework or something?"


Was my homework, but I had already done it. Just wanted to see how much other people knew, as I found quickly that I know nothing about this stuff. I think I got like 2 correct myself

But damn, never knew a fish could have so much knowledge.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 18:43
hehe, biologists have mis-underestimaded us by saying our long-term memory only lasts 24 hours.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 19:34
1. All CPUs are the same size. (True or False?)
false

2. CPU voltage varies depending on the generation and brand name of the CPU. (True or False?)
false

3. Chip pullers are designed to remove the heatsink from the top of the CPU. (True or False?)
whats a chip puller?

4. ZIF sockets are used to connect the CPU to memory on the system board. (True or False?)
ZIF? come again?

5. Which is faster, the 8088 processor or the 80486 processor? Why?
dunno :/

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 19:47
1. All CPUs are the same size. (True or False?)
Depends on the meaning of this, for the most part false.

2. CPU voltage varies depending on the generation and brand name of the CPU. (True or False?)
True

3. Chip pullers are designed to remove the heatsink from the top of the CPU. (True or False?)
False, dependant on Puller != Heatsink

4. ZIF sockets are used to connect the CPU to memory on the system board. (True or False?)
False

5. Which is faster, the 8088 processor or the 80486 processor? Why?
80486, for multiple reasons actually.

a) Maximum Speed of the 8088 was 8MHz, minimum speed of the 80486 is 25MHz. Given these processors are basically the same core design, this can be put down to a simple case of quicker processor cycle = more power.

b) there's also the catch in the question where it says which is faster, rather than which is capable of more processing. Which really when your talking about which processor is better than another this is the case. Pentium D 3.2GHz is physically quicker than the Athlon64 X2 4200+ (2.2GHz) however the Athlon64 X2 is capable of far more data processing. That in itself has several reasons most of which pointless going in to right now.

c) even if the processors were running at identical speeds, they would only physically match speed if the program run on them was 8-bit and the 486 involved has no Writek Co-Processor.

d) keeping with the identical speed theme, there is the point of the 8088 being 8-bit with a 20-bit memory bus and the 486 being 32-bit with a 40-bit memory bus. So physically speaking even at the same speed it can throughput between 2-4x as much data. So provided the question was meaning how powerful was the processor; then you'd be looking at far more operations per second.

e) the 486 also has on-die Cache of iirc 64k which allows it to stack operations, this also means that it doesn't have to keep going back to the ram which can cause bottlenecks in older systems. 8088 for example doesn't use any cache it just directly connects to the RAM.

f) we also have to think of the maximum data reference. the 8088 is only capable of referencing up to 640k locally and 2048k in total. The 286 was the processor that was given the A20 Gate that now allows processors to access more than that. The 486 can have at it's disposal up to 16MB locally with a total of 640MB but this is more a limitation set by DOS, as it can physically use up to 4GB under Linux and Windows 9x.

i could go on for a bit longer on the differences but i'm sure that would be more than enough reasons. rest of the questions didn't ask for explainations so sod giving any.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 20:56
Quote: "4: TRUE, because all the others are FALSE and I have no idea what a ZIF is"


ALl false except the ZIF one ZIF = Zero insertion force ITS WHY YOU DONT HAVE TO FORCE THE CPU INTO THE MOBO!

Someone else probably already said this but you know why? i don't care =P

Although i do think 80486 is faster but im not sure.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 21:00
holllllly crap Raven, that's huge answer....

thanks for not over reacting or anything Underlord


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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 21:01
Quote: "for multiple reasons actually."


And this is when my brain shuts off.

1. TRUE
2. TRUE
3. TRUE
4. TRUE
5. Tough, but TRUE

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 22:26
Quote: "And this is when my brain shuts off."


Surely your brain would have to actually be on in the first place to shut off?

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 22:34
Quote: "f) we also have to think of the maximum data reference. the 8088 is only capable of referencing up to 640k locally and 2048k in total. The 286 was the processor that was given the A20 Gate that now allows processors to access more than that. The 486 can have at it's disposal up to 16MB locally with a total of 640MB but this is more a limitation set by DOS, as it can physically use up to 4GB under Linux and Windows 9x."


I see alot of things that mention MB in there... as far as I've learned so far, this processor wasn't capable of MB anything. Maybe im thinking of an even earlier one... *goes over notes again*

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 23:31
Quote: "I see alot of things that mention MB in there... as far as I've learned so far, this processor wasn't capable of MB anything. Maybe im thinking of an even earlier one... *goes over notes again*"


I dunno bout you but my CPU has a 512 MB L64 Cache.

Quote: "Surely your brain would have to actually be on in the first place to shut off?"


OH, OUCH, RAVEN, THAT'S A KILLER. WHY DO I KEEP POSTING WHEN I'M SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO SUCH HUMBLING AND HEINOUS ATTACKS??!

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Posted: 20th Sep 2005 23:42 Edited at: 20th Sep 2005 23:43
Quote: "I see alot of things that mention MB in there... as far as I've learned so far, this processor wasn't capable of MB anything. Maybe im thinking of an even earlier one... *goes over notes again*"

There wasn't anything wrong with what you'd quoted. You probably were thinking about an older processor.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 00:23
Quote: "1. All CPUs are the same size. (True or False?)"

False
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2. CPU voltage varies depending on the generation and brand name of the CPU. (True or False?)"

True
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3. Chip pullers are designed to remove the heatsink from the top of the CPU. (True or False?)"

False
Quote: "
4. ZIF sockets are used to connect the CPU to memory on the system board. (True or False?)"

False
Quote: "5. Which is faster, the 8088 processor or the 80486 processor? Why?
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80486, you just never hear it refered to as a 80486, you'll only hear it refered as a 486. 486 being about 7 years of technology upped from the 8088. Funny thing about the 8088, the 8086 is actually faster then it. The 8088 was just cheaper to use, and thats why it was put in the first Intel PC's.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 02:50
Quote: "OH, OUCH, RAVEN, THAT'S A KILLER. WHY DO I KEEP POSTING WHEN I'M SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO SUCH HUMBLING AND HEINOUS ATTACKS??!"


Well you've already noted about how your brain is switched off, so my guess would be the fact that it's a reflex and/or instinctive action. Given you seem to post nothing bar insults at other forum users, well this in turn would suggest the same.

I'm sure they have some special school or doctor that can help you. I mean you do live in that fantastic country of oppurtunity provided you have money. Though your in Utah where everything is frowned upon so, who knows maybe your just a closet retard. I hope you get help for it someday.

Quote: "I see alot of things that mention MB in there... as far as I've learned so far, this processor wasn't capable of MB anything. Maybe im thinking of an even earlier one... *goes over notes again*"


The processor itself, no. What is internal to the processor however isn't the only thing that dictacts it's speed and power. Your notes should atleast briefly cover this fact.

I'd suggest you look up what the A20 gate is, and what it's designed to correct in the design 'flaw' of the x86.

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Quote: "Quote: "OH, OUCH, RAVEN, THAT'S A KILLER. WHY DO I KEEP POSTING WHEN I'M SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO SUCH HUMBLING AND HEINOUS ATTACKS??!"

Well you've already noted about how your brain is switched off, so my guess would be the fact that it's a reflex and/or instinctive action. Given you seem to post nothing bar insults at other forum users, well this in turn would suggest the same."

no no no no, he wasnt saying "add to the crap you call an insult" he was saying "that wasnt insulting"

Quote: "I mean you do live in that fantastic country of oppurtunity provided you have money."

Last time i checked, the only form of government that DOESNT require money for oppurtunity, is the THEORY of communism, and we all know how well communism works when put into effect....

Quote: "Though your in Utah where everything is frowned upon"

wait... WHAT?

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 21:16 Edited at: 21st Sep 2005 21:17
Quote: "I'm sure they have some special school or doctor that can help you. I mean you do live in that fantastic country of oppurtunity provided you have money. Though your in Utah where everything is frowned upon so, who knows maybe your just a closet retard. I hope you get help for it someday."


And Raven the Bigot rears its ugly head.

*cough* Once more.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2005 22:33
Come on now children.. Lets not turn this thread into a slagging match...

@TheIndy - when do we get the answers and what does the winner get?

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Quote: "@TheIndy - when do we get the answers and what does the winner get? "

I'll be getting a chocolate pudding!

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2005 01:57
1. False
2. True
3. False, although it would be fun to watch someone try.
4. False for most current CPUs, although it is True for the CPUs with onboard memory controllers. Even then, it is not the only component it connects to the CPU.
5. The 40486 is much faster, by an order of magnitude and then some.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2005 16:18
Well, I though I could find the answers a bit easier(or get them from my teacher) but it appears it won't be so easy. SOOOOO the answers will come when I feel like it, and the winner gets this genuine cup of coffee:

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2005 17:02
What about those of us who prefer tea?

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2005 19:13 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2005 19:13
Quote: " What about those of us who prefer tea?"

you're screwed

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2005 20:42
I love tea.


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2005 21:10
I love eat.

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I love lamp.

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