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indi

22

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Joined: 26th Aug 2002

Location: Earth, Brisbane, Australia

Posted: 29th Sep 2005 14:13 Edited at: 29th Sep 2005 14:19

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i got silly and opened as many programs as i could on my mac.
mind you this isnt a test to see anything, I just did something a bit wierd.
in the old days with macs and these applications like ram doubler and ram booster you could get 16 megs of ram to like 128 megs

everything was so slow back then.

however on this beastly machine i was flicking between the apps and its all so responsive

see purdy picture for a snapshot while my desktop was in expose' mode.
and these details for the techies.

there is also a whole screen of widgets that are not visible in the screenshot but listed in the textual output

ps: look at the mini black up arrows along the launcher bar

395	 SyndicationAgent	indi	0.00	2	3.34 MB	37.32 MB	
372	 StuffIt Expander	indi	0.00	2	19.77 MB	359.77 MB	
371	 Cinema Tools	indi	0.30	1	17.53 MB	348.66 MB	
370	 Art Directors Toolkit	indi	0.00	1	31.12 MB	365.43 MB	
369	 Compressor	indi	0.00	4	31.44 MB	393.04 MB	
368	 A.Pack	indi	1.30	4	24.49 MB	356.19 MB	
367	 Calculator	indi	0.00	1	22.68 MB	356.76 MB	
366	 Automator	indi	0.00	4	39.69 MB	381.04 MB	
365	 Dictionary	indi	0.00	4	26.96 MB	376.25 MB	
362	 DVD Player	indi	0.00	7	11.28 MB	378.40 MB	
361	 mdimport	ds	0.00	3	2.44 MB	38.26 MB	
360	 Font Book	indi	0.00	3	22.62 MB	359.40 MB	
358	 mdimport	nobody	0.00	3	2.61 MB	38.37 MB	
357	 mvnotificationse	indi	0.00	1	2.27 MB	27.24 MB	
354	 AuthenticationSe	root	0.00	2	3.07 MB	46.04 MB	
352	 cupsd	root	0.00	2	2.05 MB	27.83 MB	
350	 pmTool	root	2.40	1	1.13 MB	36.45 MB	
347	 Dreamweaver	indi	9.40	2	49.44 MB	423.14 MB	
346	 Extension Manager	indi	0.10	1	5.91 MB	355.04 MB	
345	 DSPX_AEncoderServer	indi	0.00	2	3.84 MB	295.76 MB	
344	 DSPX_EncoderServer	indi	0.00	2	3.97 MB	296.84 MB	
343	 Fireworks	indi	11.20	8	49.77 MB	424.38 MB	
341	 FreeHand MX	indi	0.00	3	26.73 MB	397.23 MB	
340	 Terminal	indi	0.00	2	19.19 MB	355.88 MB	
339	 Network Utility	indi	0.80	1	18.69 MB	355.00 MB	
338	 NetInfo Manager	indi	0.00	1	19.52 MB	355.19 MB	
337	 Grab	indi	0.00	6	34.82 MB	374.68 MB	
336	 Activity Monitor	indi	7.80	2	14.05 MB	371.39 MB	
335	 System Preferences	indi	0.00	2	11.57 MB	365.02 MB	
334	 Console	indi	0.20	1	9.71 MB	359.03 MB	
333	 QuickTime Player	indi	4.20	6	12.03 MB	375.13 MB	
332	 iCal	indi	0.00	3	32.57 MB	368.23 MB	
331	 iChatAgent (Not Responding)	indi	0.00	2	13.37 MB	296.01 MB	
330	 iMovie HD	indi	0.00	3	31.15 MB	378.60 MB	
329	 GarageBand	indi	0.00	3	24.31 MB	372.20 MB	
327	 Image Capture	indi	0.00	1	17.17 MB	352.84 MB	
326	 iPhoto	indi	0.00	3	46.30 MB	388.36 MB	
325	 Image Capture Extension	indi	0.00	2	4.13 MB	342.10 MB	
324	 iTunes	indi	0.20	4	43.55 MB	395.70 MB	
323	 Address Book	indi	0.00	1	25.18 MB	358.00 MB	
321	 Safari	indi	0.00	5	13.60 MB	364.59 MB	
319	 DVD Studio Pro	indi	0.00	10	68.20 MB	474.25 MB	
318	 LiveType	indi	2.10	2	19.77 MB	394.11 MB	
317	 Motion	indi	0.00	7	31.00 MB	432.02 MB	
316	 Final Cut Pro HD	indi	2.40	5	134.63 MB	794.81 MB	
315	 GraphicConverter	indi	2.90	1	7.59 MB	363.52 MB	
314	 OmniGraffle	indi	0.00	4	32.49 MB	376.68 MB	
312	 Preview	indi	0.00	1	16.77 MB	351.36 MB	
311	 Sherlock	indi	0.00	7	26.88 MB	363.62 MB	
310	 AppleSpell	indi	0.00	1	1.64 MB	37.15 MB	
309	 MIDIServer	indi	0.00	4	1.48 MB	30.13 MB	
308	 Soundtrack	indi	0.40	6	26.91 MB	418.96 MB	
307	 TextEdit	indi	0.00	1	19.35 MB	355.20 MB	
276	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.65 MB	349.20 MB	
275	 Dictionary DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.93 MB	357.14 MB	
274	 TechDictionary DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.08 MB	356.98 MB	
273	 Send SMS DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.82 MB	350.25 MB	
272	 BabelFish DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.39 MB	357.47 MB	
271	 W3C Tool Kit DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.09 MB	355.52 MB	
270	 PHPQuickReference DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.80 MB	356.37 MB	
269	 Koders DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.90 MB	354.46 MB	
268	 Tags - PHP DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.87 MB	355.23 MB	
267	 Tags - CSS DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.87 MB	355.23 MB	
266	 Tags - HTML DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.89 MB	355.25 MB	
265	 Pakze DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.95 MB	349.43 MB	
264	 GeoLocate DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.06 MB	355.27 MB	
263	 Australia Post DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	8.90 MB	358.92 MB	
262	 Calculator DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.25 MB	348.48 MB	
259	 ASX DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.09 MB	347.05 MB	
258	 sensis.com.au Search DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.66 MB	356.73 MB	
257	 Google Maps DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	9.67 MB	359.55 MB	
256	 HardMonitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.26 MB	349.52 MB	
255	 Traffic Meter DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.55 MB	346.54 MB	
254	 UtilityButton DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.52 MB	355.47 MB	
252	 ColorSafe DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.63 MB	350.29 MB	
244	 Wikipedia DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.04 MB	356.96 MB	
239	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.64 MB	349.20 MB	
238	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	349.21 MB	
237	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.67 MB	349.21 MB	
236	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	349.23 MB	
235	 chronoTrack DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.02 MB	347.85 MB	
234	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.65 MB	349.21 MB	
233	 Calendar DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.70 MB	349.09 MB	
232	 Radar In Motion DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.00 MB	351.34 MB	
231	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.53 MB	350.46 MB	
230	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	350.58 MB	
229	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.55 MB	350.46 MB	
228	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.54 MB	350.43 MB	
227	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.52 MB	350.46 MB	
226	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.50 MB	350.46 MB	
225	 Weather DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.88 MB	349.90 MB	
224	 InternetTrafficReport DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.38 MB	347.14 MB	
223	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.52 MB	350.46 MB	
222	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.52 MB	350.46 MB	
221	 iTunes DashboardClient	indi	0.00	4	6.73 MB	351.89 MB	
220	 VideoStorageCalculator DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.50 MB	357.27 MB	
219	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	351.21 MB	
218	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.96 MB	351.24 MB	
217	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.46 MB	352.43 MB	
216	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.64 MB	351.21 MB	
215	 SysStat DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.18 MB	351.96 MB

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372	 StuffIt Expander	indi	0.00	2	19.77 MB	359.77 MB	
371	 Cinema Tools	indi	0.30	1	17.53 MB	348.66 MB	
370	 Art Directors Toolkit	indi	0.00	1	31.12 MB	365.43 MB	
369	 Compressor	indi	0.00	4	31.44 MB	393.04 MB	
368	 A.Pack	indi	1.30	4	24.49 MB	356.19 MB	
367	 Calculator	indi	0.00	1	22.68 MB	356.76 MB	
366	 Automator	indi	0.00	4	39.69 MB	381.04 MB	
365	 Dictionary	indi	0.00	4	26.96 MB	376.25 MB	
362	 DVD Player	indi	0.00	7	11.28 MB	378.40 MB	
361	 mdimport	ds	0.00	3	2.44 MB	38.26 MB	
360	 Font Book	indi	0.00	3	22.62 MB	359.40 MB	
358	 mdimport	nobody	0.00	3	2.61 MB	38.37 MB	
357	 mvnotificationse	indi	0.00	1	2.27 MB	27.24 MB	
354	 AuthenticationSe	root	0.00	2	3.07 MB	46.04 MB	
352	 cupsd	root	0.00	2	2.05 MB	27.83 MB	
350	 pmTool	root	2.40	1	1.13 MB	36.45 MB	
347	 Dreamweaver	indi	9.40	2	49.44 MB	423.14 MB	
346	 Extension Manager	indi	0.10	1	5.91 MB	355.04 MB	
345	 DSPX_AEncoderServer	indi	0.00	2	3.84 MB	295.76 MB	
344	 DSPX_EncoderServer	indi	0.00	2	3.97 MB	296.84 MB	
343	 Fireworks	indi	11.20	8	49.77 MB	424.38 MB	
341	 FreeHand MX	indi	0.00	3	26.73 MB	397.23 MB	
340	 Terminal	indi	0.00	2	19.19 MB	355.88 MB	
339	 Network Utility	indi	0.80	1	18.69 MB	355.00 MB	
338	 NetInfo Manager	indi	0.00	1	19.52 MB	355.19 MB	
337	 Grab	indi	0.00	6	34.82 MB	374.68 MB	
336	 Activity Monitor	indi	7.80	2	14.05 MB	371.39 MB	
335	 System Preferences	indi	0.00	2	11.57 MB	365.02 MB	
334	 Console	indi	0.20	1	9.71 MB	359.03 MB	
333	 QuickTime Player	indi	4.20	6	12.03 MB	375.13 MB	
332	 iCal	indi	0.00	3	32.57 MB	368.23 MB	
331	 iChatAgent (Not Responding)	indi	0.00	2	13.37 MB	296.01 MB	
330	 iMovie HD	indi	0.00	3	31.15 MB	378.60 MB	
329	 GarageBand	indi	0.00	3	24.31 MB	372.20 MB	
327	 Image Capture	indi	0.00	1	17.17 MB	352.84 MB	
326	 iPhoto	indi	0.00	3	46.30 MB	388.36 MB	
325	 Image Capture Extension	indi	0.00	2	4.13 MB	342.10 MB	
324	 iTunes	indi	0.20	4	43.55 MB	395.70 MB	
323	 Address Book	indi	0.00	1	25.18 MB	358.00 MB	
321	 Safari	indi	0.00	5	13.60 MB	364.59 MB	
319	 DVD Studio Pro	indi	0.00	10	68.20 MB	474.25 MB	
318	 LiveType	indi	2.10	2	19.77 MB	394.11 MB	
317	 Motion	indi	0.00	7	31.00 MB	432.02 MB	
316	 Final Cut Pro HD	indi	2.40	5	134.63 MB	794.81 MB	
315	 GraphicConverter	indi	2.90	1	7.59 MB	363.52 MB	
314	 OmniGraffle	indi	0.00	4	32.49 MB	376.68 MB	
312	 Preview	indi	0.00	1	16.77 MB	351.36 MB	
311	 Sherlock	indi	0.00	7	26.88 MB	363.62 MB	
310	 AppleSpell	indi	0.00	1	1.64 MB	37.15 MB	
309	 MIDIServer	indi	0.00	4	1.48 MB	30.13 MB	
308	 Soundtrack	indi	0.40	6	26.91 MB	418.96 MB	
307	 TextEdit	indi	0.00	1	19.35 MB	355.20 MB	
276	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.65 MB	349.20 MB	
275	 Dictionary DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.93 MB	357.14 MB	
274	 TechDictionary DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.08 MB	356.98 MB	
273	 Send SMS DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.82 MB	350.25 MB	
272	 BabelFish DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.39 MB	357.47 MB	
271	 W3C Tool Kit DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.09 MB	355.52 MB	
270	 PHPQuickReference DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.80 MB	356.37 MB	
269	 Koders DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.90 MB	354.46 MB	
268	 Tags - PHP DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.87 MB	355.23 MB	
267	 Tags - CSS DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.87 MB	355.23 MB	
266	 Tags - HTML DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.89 MB	355.25 MB	
265	 Pakze DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.95 MB	349.43 MB	
264	 GeoLocate DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.06 MB	355.27 MB	
263	 Australia Post DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	8.90 MB	358.92 MB	
262	 Calculator DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.25 MB	348.48 MB	
259	 ASX DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.09 MB	347.05 MB	
258	 sensis.com.au Search DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.66 MB	356.73 MB	
257	 Google Maps DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	9.67 MB	359.55 MB	
256	 HardMonitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.26 MB	349.52 MB	
255	 Traffic Meter DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.55 MB	346.54 MB	
254	 UtilityButton DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.52 MB	355.47 MB	
252	 ColorSafe DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.63 MB	350.29 MB	
244	 Wikipedia DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.04 MB	356.96 MB	
239	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.64 MB	349.20 MB	
238	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	349.21 MB	
237	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.67 MB	349.21 MB	
236	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	349.23 MB	
235	 chronoTrack DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.02 MB	347.85 MB	
234	 World Clock DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.65 MB	349.21 MB	
233	 Calendar DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.70 MB	349.09 MB	
232	 Radar In Motion DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.00 MB	351.34 MB	
231	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.53 MB	350.46 MB	
230	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	350.58 MB	
229	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.55 MB	350.46 MB	
228	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.54 MB	350.43 MB	
227	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.52 MB	350.46 MB	
226	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.50 MB	350.46 MB	
225	 Weather DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.88 MB	349.90 MB	
224	 InternetTrafficReport DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	5.38 MB	347.14 MB	
223	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.52 MB	350.46 MB	
222	 Degrees DU DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.52 MB	350.46 MB	
221	 iTunes DashboardClient	indi	0.00	4	6.73 MB	351.89 MB	
220	 VideoStorageCalculator DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.50 MB	357.27 MB	
219	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.66 MB	351.21 MB	
218	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.96 MB	351.24 MB	
217	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.46 MB	352.43 MB	
216	 Hardware Monitor DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	6.64 MB	351.21 MB	
215	 SysStat DashboardClient	indi	0.00	3	7.18 MB	351.96 MB

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Raven

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 14:20

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see what happens on an OS that has no minesweeper or solitare.

this said, while thats a nice large amount of distinct programs. I often have that many windows open over 3 desktop.

gets a little ridiculous at some point; what you need though are a few intensive programs.

here running Maya 7.0, Photoshop CS2, Half-Life 2(Debug 9.0c), Visual C++ 2005, Dreamweaver(oddly the most demanding of the lot), MySql Administrator, Multiple Explorer Folders, Internet Explorer, FireFox, Face Poser, Hammer, Softimage | XSI 5.0, Outlook.

That's what I have running right now. Still a very responsive system.

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Kangaroo2 BETA2

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 14:49 Edited at: 29th Sep 2005 14:51

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I use 3 monitors at once on my pc desktop and run cubase SX, photoshop 7, 3dsmax 5, broadband, firefox, thunderbird & media player all at once, and it works fine

Then I try and compile and run a big dbpro app and it all crashes lol [edit] but thats probably because I'm on multiple monitors so windows locks / ignores the other ones or something lol)

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Peter H

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 15:55 Edited at: 29th Sep 2005 15:56

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*sigh*

i try to run milkshape and DBPro and i get bogged down

(ok, so maybe i also have 5 Internet Explorers open aswell

)

it is indeed time for a new computer (this one is 4 years old...)

"We make the worst games in the universe."

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Raven

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 16:27

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Virtual Memory, that's how you keep Windows quick.
Linux and MacOSX (Unix) is quick even under heavy loads for the simple fact, they keep a seperate partition specifically for the Swapfile.

If you make a 4-8GB Partition, and dedicate it from your primary drive that will speed up your computer no-end. You have to force Windows NOT to use a swap per disc; literally keep it all on that one partition. The more data the more contagious a drive gets (and Fragmented), so the slower it gets.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 16:30

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Quote: "5 Internet Explorers open aswell"

No, not you too! Why does everyone use IE? Are you all dying or something?

Anyways, my computer handles pretty well. I had Milkshape, 2 Firefoxes, iTunes, FPS Creator, Photoshop 7 and Word 2003 open, and they were running well (a little slower than my usual - iTunes, Firefox and FPS Creator)

Resident Evil Remake is teh fergin' best!

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spooky

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 17:01

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Why are people so anti IE? Firefox may have nicer options but IE runs really nice and clutter-free,

Whatever you do, don't install Netscape 8 (which I had to, to test websites I write for work). It crashes on startup if any IE cookies are not to it's liking, but worst of all, if you click the delete cookies button in Netscape, it deletes all your IE ones. Luckily I had a backup. Went back to 7.2 and all is fine again.

Boo!

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Flindiana Jones

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Posted: 29th Sep 2005 17:07

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My computer's 4 years old...but then, it was like a top of the line computer then, so now it's still pretty pretty good...

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 02:24

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I like Explorer 6.0 and FireFox (DeerPark) 1.5 as browsers.
As development platforms they're both crap.. though Explorer does take the crown in this respect.

Hopefully they'll release an update to Explorer 6 -> 7 to allow us to retain the Explorer 6 look and feel.

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Ian T

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 04:45

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My monitor only supports up to 1024x768 and I don't have nView extentions active... but maybe later

Blog is death. How? NO idea. But is murder. REVENGE!

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JoelJ

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 05:07

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Quote: " Why are people so anti IE? Firefox may have nicer options but IE runs really nice and clutter-free,"

baha, you can remove/add anything you want to FF, but not to IE.
and it may LOOK fine, but it's a serious problem when it comes to spyware

My BLOG really sucks...

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Quote: "baha, you can remove/add anything you want to FF, but not to IE."

How I have my Explorer it impossible to do in FireFox. Many die-hard fans have tried and failed to do it too. Simply because you can have toolbars floating or moved in it

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Eddie Gordo

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 08:11

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Last i checked its not impossible to do anything in firefox mate

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.7/source/

As for the insanly close integration of IE...it might take a bit more effort...har har a pun...

And all my expierences with OSX have been pretty good...thats the benefit of having an OS and architecture that gets redone each release...doesnt keep all the extra crap needed for backwards compatibility...pluses and minuses...

Who am i...i don't know anymore...its been a long time since ive walked here...

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 08:30

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Quote: "How I have my Explorer it impossible to do in FireFox. Many die-hard fans have tried and failed to do it too."

"I have my trained horses and buggy running at a speed automobile engineers will never be able to match. Many have tried, but all have failed."

Blog is death. How? NO idea. But is murder. REVENGE!

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Dazzag

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 10:33

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Quote: "Hopefully they'll release an update to Explorer 6 -> 7 to allow us to retain the Explorer 6 look and feel"

I've been using IE7 Beta for a while now, and hopefully it will significantly change before release, as it's layout is pants.

Quote: "As development platforms they're both crap.. though Explorer does take the crown in this respect"

Good point, some of my ASP stuff doesn't work in FF.

Personally I like FF for some of it's plugins, but use IE for most things because it seems faster on my PC (IE7 seems noticeably quicker), and because some things don't work in FF (think I'm down to just some ASP pages now though). Not much in it though. FF is essential though for opening loads of tabs from one folder in the favourites. Can't do that easily in IE7. Annoying.

Although, at the end of the day, they are both free, and I can use both anytime I like. So who cares? I mean really?

Cheers

I am 99% probably lying in bed right now... so don't blame me for crappy typing

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John Y

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 11:24

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indi,

you have cheated a bit, some of the programs aren't fully open, and just showing the welcome screen

But, still impressive. I will try on my Mac Mini and my Powerbook.

Http://synergyide.thegamecreators.com
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Quote: "Good point, some of my ASP stuff doesn't work in FF."

More noticeable is Javascript issues. I think what ticks me off mroe about FireFox is while Explorer when you hit something it can't do, it's a very noticeable affair.

I mean there's not mistaking the IE6 issue with Display:Inline; but when FireFox doesn't do something often it's something subtle that normally you wouldn't notice. So you can spend twice as much time knowing there's an issue but not exactly sure what the hell is causing it.

7 unfortunately solves basically almost every issue 6 has in terms of rendering the standards, as wellas being a damn sight quicker. This said 7 also isn't free.

You need a registered version of Windows to use it. You'd be surprised just how many people don't have that. As I said as an end-user. I can happily take or leave both, I simply prefer 6 because of it's visual presentation.

Quote: "Last i checked its not impossible to do anything in firefox mate

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.7/source/"

Don't see why I should piss about with source code of a browser a large number of the development community prefer, if there's already one that does exactly what I want.

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My PC runs 3Dsmax and makes a horrible whirling grinding noise. Then if I wanted to download music while a 3D scene was rendering - forget it!

Stupid computer.

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I use Firefox simply because in XP even with the latest updates IE very often ends up downloading spawning adware to my computer. The only way to stop it is to turn off most of the features, and theefoe it become even less compatible with websites than firefox

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the only safe version I've used of IE is at school, but they have Linux based servers with tight security, but at home Firefox is just as stable and I have no restrictions, Firefox is prolly the best browser I've ever tried really, I've only ever had 2 pop up ads on it, IE has downloaded Spyware, adware and viruses, actually I should really uninstal IE and kill the adware, plus it always freezes with IE on me PC, and is slow in comparison to FF

The name is back dudes!
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Can't say Explorer has let in anything over the last year.
I've found the best setup for preventing all of that adware/spyware crap is to use Windows XP SP2 Firewall + AntiSpyware.

Works a treat. I have no virus scan software on this machine, but I have one that is remotely accessed (read-only system) using NOD32, and Norton 2005. Both are pretty good.

Recently I've not seen Explorer throw any warnings up, no matter what sites I've been too. FireFox has on occasion though. What's possibly more annoying is the pop-up blocker in neither one is stopping all of the pop-ups anymore.

Just browsing Newground.com or something and that's obvious.

Quote: "plus it always freezes with IE on me PC, and is slow in comparison to FF"

bollocks, even with spyware present (which is more likely to affect firefox nowadays) Explorer STILL outperforms FireFox, by a very visible difference.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2005 23:31

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Let's run all 4 programmes and see how the apple handles it

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Quote: "bollocks, even with spyware present (which is more likely to affect firefox nowadays) Explorer STILL outperforms FireFox, by a very visible difference."

And you seem to be the only one who notices Explorer's "very visible speed difference". Interesting. And how does spyware affect firefox more likely nowadays? That makes no sense, as even you, top MS fanboy, has stated that the only reason IE is heavily targetted is because of its popularity.

Just an interesting question is all. I've been using Firefox since its inception, and have not had a single piece of spyware on my comp.

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Quote: "I've been using Firefox since its inception, and have not had a single piece of spyware on my comp."

ditto

IE < FF, no question about it.

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Quote: "And you seem to be the only one who notices Explorer's "very visible speed difference". Interesting."

Quote: "Personally I like FF for some of it's plugins, but use IE for most things because it seems faster on my PC (IE7 seems noticeably quicker)"

It's a forum conspiricy.. I must be Dazzag!

Quote: "And how does spyware affect firefox more likely nowadays? That makes no sense, as even you, top MS fanboy, has stated that the only reason IE is heavily targetted is because of its popularity."

FireFox is now heavily popular in development circles.
While sure the majority of the internet is still using Explorer, when you step into the development/nerd world this instantly changes. FireFox is by far more popular than anything else for this sector.

Personally I think it's stupid. Mozilla was a bad browser but somehow FireFox is an excellent one. The whole following for FireFox makes no sense in my eyes.

Quote: "I've been using Firefox since its inception, and have not had a single piece of spyware on my comp."

Taken the time to fully scan your system for Virii, Spyware, Malware, Registry Hack, etc. It doesn't catch everything and what's worse is most of the time people don't even realise what they have on thier system until it's too late.

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See Indi, now that you take my advise you can see that there is a difference between windows and other OS'

Virtual Memory, that's how you keep Windows quick.
No. That is how you keep windows slow.

I have a solution to mr. Adware. Reinstall Windows (or Mac OS)
Get A FIREWALL!!! (not windows firewall);
And don't EVER install crap because a website asks you to.

Also, Spybot, counterspy, and Ad-Aware helps to get rid of all that crap.

Merranvo, taking over the net, one forum at a time.

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dont slander windows firewall! it does it's job, just because IE and a load of other pie (bad lang) has been programmed to ignore it and let things though and it comes with 60,000,000 ports open doesn't mean the closed ports aren't secure -_- hell if you config it right its pretty good

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Quote: "Virtual Memory, that's how you keep Windows quick.
No. That is how you keep windows slow."

What exactly does the Virtual Memory do? I mean how does it slow Windows down? I'm sure an expert on the subject like yourselve can shed light on the matter.

Quote: "I have a solution to mr. Adware. Reinstall Windows (or Mac OS)
Get A FIREWALL!!! (not windows firewall);
And don't EVER install crap because a website asks you to."

Windows Firewall (comes with SP2) doesn't let **** all in.
In-fact it's a pain in the arse getting things through it.

Quote: "dont slander windows firewall! it does it's job, just because IE and a load of other pie (bad lang) has been programmed to ignore it and let things though and it comes with 60,000,000 ports open doesn't mean the closed ports aren't secure -_- hell if you config it right its pretty good"

Explorer opens NO PORTS. None at all. You have to manually set them in the Security Firewall Center, or wait for a program to try and access a never before used port. Then review to block or allow it.

The issue with Spyware is exactly as Mold Rat said. User Stupidity.
Can all be summed up in this:

"Ooh a dancing pink hippo wants my credit card details. Seem fair!" - Homer Simpson

Spyware can't get on unless you install it. There are however other things that can get through unless you have protection.

FireFox will install an XPM without permission.
Explorer will NOT install ANYTHING without permission.

You can run Java and JavaScript without permission in FireFox.
Explorer will run JavaScript using safe functions without permission, it will ask permission for Java, and JavaScript functions that access your hard disk WILL NOT RUN.

FireFox will run any format and only not execute XHTML/XML/ASP scripting that it can't understand.

Explorer has disabled all Hard Disk accessing scripting apart from with PHP and ASP.NET, and ASP.NET must go through the same authentication process as an ActiveX. I.E. The USER must accept it as a safe script to run.

The chances of anything automatically installed through Explorer, are slim. All hacks that are currently affectings Explorer are PURELY through code. Someone have to be physically hacking your system through an Expleror hook in order to gain any sort of access to your system. So you can't simply get this from browsing you would have to really have something installed on your system in the first place in the form of a Trojan virus. Again you can only get these by physically downloading them.

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As far as I know you can't read and write files on the client's machine using PHP, ASP, or ASP.NET, aside from cookies. And plus, the browser doesn't know anything about the ASP/PHP/ASP.NET code, but only what's rendered in HTML by the server.

Quote: "You can run Java and JavaScript without permission in FireFox."

Um, not if I turn it off. Firefox's options are actually in English and not buried somewhere with 50 thousand options that most people will never touch. There's an Enable Java and an Enable Javascript checkbox. Boom, disabled. Easy, huh?

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Virtual Memory exists only because windows uses more memory then it should, because of that you need to start dumping into the hardrive...

Sometimes, when it is just the matter of 100mb, forcing windows to clean up its memory mess rather then just dump it makes your computer go faster. of course pulling an Indi, you would need to have a lot of VM.

I have tested IE against javascript attacks, it won't do it. Even if I say TRUST IT, it won't do it. I guess bill gets 1 point.

"Ooh a dancing pink hippo wants my credit card details. Seem fair!"
Sounds familiar... Pink... Dancing...

Jeku... I have seen firefox almost install things before, however they get caught quickly, but still... There are more ways to get spy ware the just user stupidity. You have to think criminally. When you access ANY site they can get your IP. yeah, you shouldn't be there, but none the less.

FireWalls, not windows firewall, really helps.

And just to prove a point, people make virus' work because they have access to a system which a lot of people uses, now people can hack other people because they have access to a firewall that a lot of people feel safe behind.

Merranvo, taking over the net, one forum at a time.

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Quote: "Um, not if I turn it off. Firefox's options are actually in English and not buried somewhere with 50 thousand options that most people will never touch. There's an Enable Java and an Enable Javascript checkbox. Boom, disabled. Easy, huh?"

It's in the Secuity Tab of Explorer, you can read next to the level what is enabled and disabled. My point wasn't how easy it was to alter settings; apart from anything else the adverage Explorer use who moved to FireFox wouldn't turn off those options anyways as they won't even know they're a problem.

The only people who do futz around with options are people who understand the complex menu systems. So really it makes no odds apart from what the default settings are.

Default for FireFox is that these settings are on as default. What's more is you have the option of ON/OFF, unlike Explorer which only disables the scripts that could be used to cause harm to your system. So you can still happily browse the internet without it affecting what sites you can and can't view.

Quote: "Virtual Memory exists only because windows uses more memory then it should, because of that you need to start dumping into the hardrive...

Sometimes, when it is just the matter of 100mb, forcing windows to clean up its memory mess rather then just dump it makes your computer go faster. of course pulling an Indi, you would need to have a lot of VM."

Really a lot more you say? That is definately an interesting thing to say. So your saying you don't always have a 768MB Page File + 1.5x your Physical RAM as your Virtual Memory?

I'm sure the boys down at Redmond would love for you to explain this to them so you know, they don't mess up for Vista.

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