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JoelJ
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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 02:09 Edited at: 7th Oct 2005 02:12
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Suse 10 was just released and I'm having issues trying to get the Torrent because they're so swamped with traffic, so I was wondering if anyone has been able to get the DVD ISO Torrent file for i386 computers? if so, can you post it here?

this is the link to the torrent and to the FTP

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 02:48
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why not download the minimal version, you can boot from a diskette that connects to one of the ftps which you can then use to download and install real-time.

probably get a dvd from novell in a few weeks with a new version

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well, since i'm trying to download the TORRENT file being about 200k big, and it's not downloading THAT, what makes you think i'll be able to download the entire OS that way?

I want the CD image

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 03:39
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Because not everyone knows about all of the servers.
In-fact commonly most people don't use the SuSE AG server itself.

Personally I don't care, no point in having something the day it's released anyways. Always released with bugs, especially SuSE software.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 04:33
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blahblahblah... I want that torrent...

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 04:36
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it started to download for me just then if your patient.


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as for blah blah blah ing people regardless of how inept they are doesnt look good on you and usually people avoid helping you.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 04:45
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Quote: " it started to download for me just then if your patient."

it started to download for me too
it gets so far done, and it kills, and just sits on it forever and doesnt continue to download

Quote: "as for blah blah blah ing people regardless of how inept they are doesnt look good on you and usually people avoid helping you."

well, as for Raven telling me what I do and do not want, I dont want to hear that, I post for help, I dont want people telling me to just not get it because it's buggy and poo crap, when in reality they have no idea because they haven't tried it yet themselves.

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Eh, lets not start.

I would like to know what you guys think of SuSE. I'm running Gentoo right now, and I want to know what the comparison is. Thumbs up!

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 05:01 Edited at: 7th Oct 2005 05:07
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suse has a lot of crossover controls that allow a windows person to get used to linux, that said however gentoo debian redhat fedora etc are way better to Experience a linux environment.

dont get me wrong, suse is a good environment but with the linux distros that are not fully free you WILL end up paying for a component of your OS if no one has found a solution to rectify something.

A while back mandrake had an issue with a sound card and the drivers were sold for $20. third party payment for something the original company should have fixed.



look up distro watch and see for yourself.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse

Rank Distribution H.P.D*
1 Ubuntu 2724>
2 Mandriva 1739<
3 SUSE 1415<
4 Fedora 1268>
5 MEPIS 1115>
6 KNOPPIX 931>
7 Debian 888=
8 Damn Small 679<
9 Gentoo 612=
10 Slackware 597=
11 Kubuntu 468=
12 FreeBSD 451>
13 SLAX 403>
14 PC-BSD 396<
15 Xandros 388=
16 PCLinuxOS 385=
17 Vector 366=
18 CentOS 344=
19 Libranet 322>
20 KANOTIX 322<

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 05:05
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Quote: "well, as for Raven telling me what I do and do not want, I dont want to hear that, I post for help, I dont want people telling me to just not get it because it's buggy and poo crap, when in reality they have no idea because they haven't tried it yet themselves."


Fine you believe what the **** you like, and do what the **** you like. I tried the SuSE AG site a few minutes ago and I'm already 15% done with the installation on a 3Mbit line.

You can sit and bitch there and cry about how the torrent doesn't work. Makes no sodding odds to me.

Also makes no odds to me if you believe me that every SuSE first release is glitchy as hell or not. I mean what do I know... I've only been using it for the past 6years now, hardly enough time to really form any sort of opinion let alone have an understanding of how thier software releases go.

Quote: "I would like to know what you guys think of SuSE. I'm running Gentoo right now, and I want to know what the comparison is. Thumbs up!"


Compared to Gentoo, it's quick. With that speed you loose stability, and while it is fairly user-friendly in it's KDE interface and preloaded software. Most of the time glitches will mean you spend quite a few hair pulling hours downloading and manually installing things you thought were already installed and fully operational. (GCC and the Make/Config Libraries are a paritcular annoyance as you *HAVE* to manually install it all as the default YaST installation doesn't work off the bat... EVER)

Best for functionality vs performance imo is Red Hat. But then you still have to work mostly in Shell to do anything, which can feel like a complete waste of time.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 05:37
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Quote: "Also makes no odds to me if you believe me that every SuSE first release is glitchy as hell or not. I mean what do I know... I've only been using it for the past 6years now, hardly enough time to really form any sort of opinion let alone have an understanding of how thier software releases go."

Yeah, and i've been using windows my whole life, and it's still glitchy
I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, because it seems you really do, but all I asked for was a link to a torrent that works, I didn't ask for "they work for me! just be patient" or "SuSE sucks!!?~@!_#~!#("

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 05:58
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Joel - How did you do with the Linspire install? Was it any good? I would love to have gotten in on that free version from a few weeks back

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Ugh, I really didn't like it, the CNR system was CRAP. I really didn't play with it much, I really liked Xandros tho, it's really really nice. But I would really like that machine to be more of a SERVER and store my music and Virtual CDs on it, would save me tons of space and then I could use it from all my computers, that would be nice...

anyway, still can't get that stupid torrent to download

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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 17:20 Edited at: 7th Oct 2005 17:21
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@Raven

Quote: "Also makes no odds to me if you believe me that every SuSE first release is glitchy as hell or not. I mean what do I know... I've only been using it for the past 6years now"


judging from your past posts should that not read "I`ve only been trying to use it for the past 6 years", I mean, even installing Doom defeats you from your own accounts, and you trashed the system just doing a "normal" kernel update, I hardly call myself a expert but even I can accomplish those two things AND install the correct Nvidia drivers to boot .



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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 17:31
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Quote: "I mean, even installing Doom defeats you from your own accounts, and you trashed the system just doing a "normal" kernel update, I hardly call myself a expert but even I can accomplish those two things AND install the correct Nvidia drivers too boot."


I don't know ANYONE who has been able to install Doom 3 and got it working yet. Not one sodding person I've asked! What's more is that id support hasn't answered my tech support on the subject in what, a month now?

When the Kernel updat happened, I did it through YaST. It ****ed up.
When I found time to mess with Linux again, manually did it all through Shell and it works a treat.

As for 'installing the correct NVIDIA drivers', yeah because there are SOOO many to choose from. Seriously, I don't have problem with SuSE when I install everything manually; but then if you'd bothered to pay attentions during my rantings you would've known that the entire bitchfest was actually about how there are no distro's that I have used SuSE included where the software that is suppose to act similar to Windows and make the OS click'n'use style... Crashes, or Locks, or Fails to do it job.

Yet doing everything manually works fine. That to me defeats the bloody point of the software. Then I have several other people telling me it's obviously my fault I can't get Doom 3 working, and that YaST crashes the system everytime I try to visually change the network settings, or install a new kernel and it doesn't include the source or reconfigure the .conf files.

If I didn't know what I was doing in Linux I wouldn't be able to correct the issues manually. My point during the entire time was I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT MANUALLY.

Even after all of the works I got everything BAR Doom3 working, which I said I've not talked to anyone who has under Linux. So quite frankly I feel much better that the distro is just crap.

So try actually using that greymatter between your ears before posting.

Quote: "anyway, still can't get that stupid torrent to download"


THEN INSTALL FROM FTP!
I did and it installed within 3hours completely. After the first 50MB download it'll store everything on your PC, so you can come back later if you want to.

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Quote: "Even after all of the works I got everything BAR Doom3 working, which I said I've not talked to anyone who has under Linux. So quite frankly I feel much better that the distro is just crap."


I feel better that you and all your "friends" are just morons.


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he bites! he takes a fall....yessss!

roflmao



I got Doom working, face it! yuz noobz, me l33t haxor

lol don`t take everything so serious Raven, I realy don`t have any problems with Yast apart from the sound settings act weird sometimes, I lose sound and have to go into Yast and click test sound to get it working (don`t ask, I have no idea), I was only teaseing, you organic lifeforms are no fun!

@Joel: as for the torrent, try another seed, torrents don`t get overloaded, the more that use them the faster they get, maybe the intial base you are using is corrupt or been dropped for some reason, or are you limiting your uploads too much?



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Wasn't he trying to get the actual torrent?


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well if thats the case see the attachment



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Quote: "I got Doom working, face it! yuz noobz, me l33t haxor

lol don`t take everything so serious Raven, I realy don`t have any problems with Yast apart from the sound settings act weird sometimes, I lose sound and have to go into Yast and click test sound to get it working (don`t ask, I have no idea), I was only teaseing, you organic lifeforms are no fun!"


You sir are full of crap.

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oooh! got out the wrong side of bed did we?

sheesh! you are so unhip it`s a wonder your bum doesn`t fall off

you sir are a pompus ass and a braggart..have at you!




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Me! You are an inorganic alien?? I want my scooter back.


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Posted: 7th Oct 2005 23:24 Edited at: 7th Oct 2005 23:25
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Raven, stop trolling/baiting or you'll be back on post approval.

Quote: "Suse 10 was just released and I'm having issues trying to get the Torrent because they're so swamped with traffic,"


It's pretty ridiculous, I also was just trying to nab the torrent yesterday and it didn't make it past 3/4 of the download all four times I tried. I'll give it another shot later today...

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Quote: "Raven, stop trolling/baiting or you'll be back on post approval."


I often wonder why you're still allowed to be a moderator.

Further more back on subject, a gummy bear to the first person who can explain the problem with what Joel originally said about Torrents that oddly no one appears to have understood yet.

Given how they work I would think it would be laughably obvious. Yet typical the think tank has been out once again to make thier comments on the subject.

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Posted: 8th Oct 2005 00:33 Edited at: 8th Oct 2005 00:34
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Joel's just a moron.

The primary FTP server for the SuSE DVD ISO download was bogged down to bananas so we wanted to just get the torrent file that they provide, but the download was so slow it was quitting on him and with his pathetic insecurities he had to come on here and make sure that everyone else in the world has his problems too.

And I agree with Mouse, Raven. All you ever do is troll and bait. And troll with your bait.

Oh and:

Quote: "I often wonder why you're still allowed to be a moderator."


Is this because you're not bed buddies with him like you are with some of the other mods?


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actually, from here it looks like Me! was being worse then Raven was.

<SomeMSNGal> whats up
<MrTus> coding
<SomeMSNGal> isnt that illegal
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Quote: "I don't know ANYONE who has been able to install Doom 3 and got it working yet. Not one sodding person I've asked! What's more is that id support hasn't answered my tech support on the subject in what, a month now?"


Well, now you have.

My friend decided to switch to Linux (despite my protests that BSD is better) so he asked me to help him set up his machine and everything. Later that week he wanted to get Doom running on Linux so I went up to his room downloaded the file from Id's FTP server and copied the .pak files over from the CDs. Worked fine except for some graphic cards issues that we were able to patch and fix.
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Add me to the list of Doom3 working fine, with a more consistent framerate than in Windows, I might add.

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You guys don't understand. If Raven can't do it, then nobody can.

SO STOP LYING


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I have a question, has anyone got Battlefield 2 to run on Linux? If they could, it would be all the reason for me to switch completely to Linux .

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isn't torrent usally for illegal stuff?

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Quote: "Well, now you have.

My friend decided to switch to Linux (despite my protests that BSD is better) so he asked me to help him set up his machine and everything. Later that week he wanted to get Doom running on Linux so I went up to his room downloaded the file from Id's FTP server and copied the .pak files over from the CDs. Worked fine except for some graphic cards issues that we were able to patch and fix. "


System and Distro Specs

Quote: "Add me to the list of Doom3 working fine, with a more consistent framerate than in Windows, I might add."


I'm going to dig through the previous thread cause I'm pretty damn sure you were one of the first people who said you couldn't get it running either.

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Quote: "isn't torrent usally for illegal stuff?"

only when you use it for that reason.

a lot of big Linux distros have torrents now (as well as other sites with a large amount of downloads) so they don't get a lot of stress on their servers when a big release hits.

I use torrents for legal uses only.

Quote: " well if thats the case see the attachment "

THANK you. Altho I could probably download it from that site already

I'm downloading the ISO at 509kbs fastest I've even gotten with a torrent

@Raven,
My router's POO, and whenever the neighbor picks up their phone (or something, haven't figure out what yet, but we got rid of our 2.4ghz phones) i get disconnected, so I want to download something, put it on the DVD and not worry about remaining connected to the internet.

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Quote: "sn't torrent usally for illegal stuff?"


Linux Distros get released via the torrent P2P system as it saves traffic on their P2P and allows fast transfers from peers (and pretty much forces sharing... though there are a few clients that cheat that a bit). It is used for many other things too, such as music, pr0n, TV shows (my main use for it since I personally think TiVo is a rip off), pr0n, movies, pr0n, Game Demos, Anime (my other use for it since I personally think 19$ for a dvd with 3 episodes of anime from a 26 episode series is a bit expensive), and of course many other fun things.

As for Doom 3, seen it working on linux, haven't tried myself yet. May just have to later though...

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BTW, from the Doom3 Linux thread RPG Cyco's only post:

Quote: "Rpg Cyco User


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Quote: "Saw someone with Doom 3 Linux running through Fedora core 3 a little bit ago, didn't look to terribly good though. Seems that which ever emulator he was running was docking his vid card (9800xt) badly."

ATI's Linux drivers are below par and running Doom3 with Cedega would make it even worse than running it native for him. For me, Doom3 in Linux (in Fedora and Ubuntu) hit the same max FPS as Windows XP, but it reached it much more consistently.

As for your problem Raven, I don't really know. I can provide you with instructions on how I installed Doom3, but I doubt you've installed it wrong anyway.

In all honestly, I suggest you try the next Ubuntu release, in October. It includes GNOME 2.12 which is very good.

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Eric you ever think your time could be better spent?
I vaguely remember that post now.. still wouldn't mind actually knowing the systems.

Cause I ran through a bunch of guys on my msn, all of which sid they tried and got errors whenever they tried running it.

Some were OpenGL related (ATI cards) others would bitch that the Sound System (my problem) would only let it start so far.
One guy showed me a nice picture of it running on a Delta Chrome (mesh turned inside out... wasn't pretty)

It just irritates the hell out of me that over 3 computers here the problem was the same. It'd boot up, start the loading screen... then blam crash saying something about wrong sound system version. It being some seriously old version, despite the fact of trying the lastest of it, as well as the beta.

Possibly more irritating that I could not only run Quake, Quake 2, and Quake 3 fine, but a number of other games, like Jedi Academy and such.

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Some peoples trash is other peoples treasure I suppose would be the saying to fit this situation best. You get annoyed trying to get it to work, me on the other hand, I find that kinda stuff fun.

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I'd call it not having a life, but whatver.

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Well, Its better then what I usually do on my weekends... and dosen't result in me waking up on an unfamiliar lawn, 5 miles away from the place i began drinking.

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That depends on how you use your internet

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Quote: "Well, Its better then what I usually do on my weekends... and dosen't result in me waking up on an unfamiliar lawn, 5 miles away from the place i began drinking."

I guess that's ok as long as you have vague idea of where you are.


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Quote: "System and Distro Specs"

Some version of Gentoo on CD that my friend got from our local Linux users group. The CPU was one of the new (at the time) AMD64 ones but the distro was x86. Don't remember the amount of memory (512 or a gig). 2 hard drives one was FAT or NTFS (Windows was on here, think he formatted it afterwards) the other I formatted as EXT3 (don't remember the exact sizes but it doesn't really matter). The video card was ATI I think, don't remember the model. Motherboard was ASUS I think.
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Was this on the first release?
Cause I've only been trying to get 1.3 working, probably might be an idea to check one of the older releases.

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maybe it's your distro Raven?
how many distros have you tried?

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