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Yes, they really sugar it up on the site saying things like "It's super easy! Anyone can learn it in minutes!".

Well, they gota sell I suppose so I don't blame TGC.

Anyone who reads that statement and instantly thinks that it's all easy is really not prepared for game programming. I mean, they are right. If you take an animated character model, and play it's animation - that's about this much code:

Sync on
Sync rate 0

Load object "dancing_monkey.x",1
Loop object 1

Do
sync
Loop


To be honest, the first time I tried DBC, I got little butterflies in me belly because I'd been looking for something like that for years. When you get the camera running over a matrix and figure out how to make basic water and sky, you do get a buzz of creativity and it seems like writing a big RPG game is within grasp - to a point it is.
Doing the things needed in an RPG is easy.
Making a character for an RPG is easy.

It's game logic, weapon and item handling, character AI, interface design, and just plain bad design that'll kill your RPG. It soon becomes aparant that there's a ways to go before a project of that calibre is sensible to start, so instead of learning, they decide that their idea is soooo cool that experienced artists and coders will simply chew their arms off to get to work on it.

Frankly it has to be said that a solo RPG project has a better survival rate than team based MMORPG's - because people who get solo projects like that off the ground can do that because they're experienced enough to handle it - if they weren't then the project would be hurriedly forgotten about, like some embarassing incident.

My advice, don't even start unless you've made 3 different games already - decide on your ultimate game and some projects to tackle before it, like games that have some of the same elements. If your RPG idea has vehicles in it, FPS camera, and hand to hand combat as well - then that's a racing game, a FPS, and a beat-em-up before you even should start thinking too deeply about it. It's the only way IMO, ill-experience in such important gameplay factors would be project suicide. That's no biggie though, that should'nt be a problem, because unless you have an unquenchable desire to make your game it won't get made - and with that desire you'll be prepared to put in the required work. I suppose I'm saying that if your game does'nt get made then there's really nobody to blame but yourself, if you don't know it - learn it and stop bitching, it's never that difficult once you get started with the right attitude.

Anyone who makes their first project an MMORPG needs a dry slap.


Van-B

everything they put is true,they just need to give a better tutorial manual to get people learning it.not everyone who buys it knows how to program. in minutes you can make objects rotate and maybe ( 3-4 mins) control then left and right.

We should'nt forget the Newsletter, I mean TGC are paying people to write tutorials for inexperienced coders to learn from, a bit like the old style magazine coding tutorials we oldbies all miss.

Following any tutorials like that is a good route.


Van-B

What you see on the forum is only a fraction of what TGC themselves get. Add to this, you don't *have* to be kind and curtious (although you know it wouldn't bloody kill peaple to atleast be tolerable, or semi-pleasent)

Marketing sells, in what you don't say just as much as what you do.
I've yet to see a company become top of thier field through perfectly honest business tactics, and advertising.

Sad truth, but ya know whatever makes money is what you go with.

people get paid to write dbp tutes O_O

Only those who bought the guys pints.

True.


True.


BASIC is very basic and simple. True.


Got my first game up in 30 minutes. True.


If you ever have used the language, you would know this is VERY true.

So where is the problem? It's not with the wording...

Well. technically my pupils succeeded to make their own game after 6 lessons ... pong and some pacman (without ghosts), but it was totally possible.

(But I still wonder why they made a game where you have to "catch" the girl and it makes a burping sound)

I think they request MMORPG help because that's the most popular game genre right now.

Because there aren't that many other places for them to go.
Becasue they're enthusiastic.
Because they want to make a MMORPG, obviously

well the most accurate answer to imo is,

they play games like *cough* runescape, and see some really high level people and think hey i wanna be just like them but with 0 effort, so lets make my own runescape where im level 193281908 and better than everyone else, so they find darkbasic, dowload the demo or whatever and since they cant code to save there lives they make a team request in the hope that experienced people will flock toward his lame idea for world dominance without a clue how anything works. then gets flamed to hell

Wow, that about covers it all. Good job.

bravo

@Xenocythe
Well it doesn't advertise: "Create awesome MMORPGs in a few hours!!!" It doesn't even say that much about the multiplaye commands.

That sounds about right.

dark coder said it.

DBP definitely sells itself hard, and definitely convinces people who don't know any better that it'll be cake to make a game. However, it's not TGCs responsibility to provide a bible on how tough it is to make a game on that back of their DBP box. It's also our job as consumers to expect that a company will only ever promote the good side of their product. If someone buys DBP in a dream world believing that the few words they read on the back of the box are everything they need to know about the product, then they're on their own.

Yeah, few people realise what's involved, and then when it does'nt bear fruit within a week it's the products fault. Some people simply can't code despite their enthusiasm, and coding games is a whole different sport to other conventionaly taught coding techniques.

The thing is, it's all unnecessary when demo verions are available, people should try the demo version then NEED to buy the full version to continue their ideas, if the demo does'nt light there fire then perhaps they could look into FPSC etc, but it's all stuff that can be tried first. I don't really see what TGC could do to make it fairer.


Van-B

Yeah. The whole concept of marketting isn't really fair, but people should be aware of that. There's no lying going on. TGC state some facts in marketting tongue in an effort to sell their product. Nobody can expect them to write "Please note: It will still be extremely hard and complicated to write a very professional title" on their DBP box. That'd half their sales, and it's not their responsibility.

In case you wondered what goes on inside a noobs head...

http://ualuealuealeuale.ytmnd.com/

I think a person would have to be retarded to search to find that.

its on RvB home page...


and besides, what is wrong with being retarded anyways? are you gonna discriminate against me just because i may have a severe mental illness?

Um, there's nothing severe about being a bit slow.

No your retarded.
No you...
No your the one thats retarded.
No it's you.
No you.

Someone change the channel before I get all John Lock on your asses!


Van-B

I'm a newb programmer, everyone hates them just because they started out. My first project guess what it was? A text game, questions and answers. My first program was only Print "Hello World". Go john lock on them. I'm working on a RPG now, offline one. Going to amp it up to MMORPG with DBPro next year.

The most retarded person i've ever heard about was the person that wanted to get rid of the signs around schools that said "Slow Children" because it was offensive to kids that were "slow".

Damn politically correct idiots!

my first 3d project was a rpg game http://lukasw.popr.gwgaming.net/other/etk0.8.zip