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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:06 Edited at: 11th Oct 2005 16:06
Hmm, just noticed the ad at the bottom of the page. Have these ads always been there? Or did TGC just recently sell out? I have never noticed this advertising before...



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Raven
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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:09
Been there for atleast 2years.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:10
Nevermind, now I feel stupid(well, actually i have always felt this way).

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:10
They've been there for years.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:11
i wouldn't worry you get used to that here

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:11
No use letting a new thread go to waste, so...

What is the best new processor chip for the pc and why?


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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:18
68080, becuase it has the highest number
In terms of Windows PC, I'd probably lean toward Athlon64 X2 for gaming, and Pentium-D for Applications.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:25
Really not big on processors myself, but what is the difference between the Athlon64 X2 and Pentium-D in terms of what they can do? My roommate who has a Pentium-D and knows nothing about computers says they are the same. He also gets 250+ FPS on Counter-Strike Source, so I know it must be pretty good(As my crap computer that can't play games gets 2 FPS)

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 16:43
The overal difference isn't that great really.
Pentiums are much better are floating-point math, but this said Athlons are capable of processing far more overall data.

It more comes down to personal taste, because with a reasonable graphics card (6600GT) the system will fly anyways. Nothing will really take advantage of the Dual-Core Processors until next year anyways.

Personally I'd go with Athlon, because
A • They're capable of running intensive programs better (i.e. games)
B ’ They will run cooler (and cheaper)
C ’ They're about $100 less, and motherboards are widely available.
D • True 64-bit Processor, Intel only has EMT64 which is kinda like 64-bit extensions.
E • Intel are currently forcing pc building companies to use thier chips over AMD, literally forcing the competition off the market with underhanded deals. As such I firmly believe that all Intel hardware should be boycott until they stop using thier leaverage to blackmail companies against AMD, and take them on in fair competition.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 18:17
Yes for this generation the AMD 64 chips are far better bang for your buck

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 19:13
Anyone know what types of chips are planned for the future by some of these big companies?(AMD/INTEL) ; Would be kind of interested to see what happens after the 64 bit processors.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 20:04
when you know, let us know.
personally i think it's more use to wonder what the hell will come of actually haveing 64-bit.

this is what I hate about the PC world... we get all this awesome new hardware, then we have to wait 2-3years until the software catches up.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2005 23:00
yup tell me about it! thats the real reaon I'm waiting to upgrade my motherboard and cpu - at the moment theres not much I could do software wise with a 400 pound upgrade that I can't do on my lower spec P4 and AMDXP systems... and for just games performance upgrading your graphics card has a much bigger impact

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Uhh.. what comes AFTER the 64bit chips?? They're just starting to come out. If I were to build a new system today, I would probably build an LGA 775 mobo with a 64bit intel chip. I'd wait till after the christmas season to build it. IE, January's prime time, or when you get your tax return a couple months later (here in the states)

I'd also make sure the mobo was SLI capable.


My dream machine (ie, lasts a number of years, but highend price)
$129.00 - Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-8N-SLI Pro Socket T (LGA 775)
$191.88 - x2 - RAM - OCZ Gold Series 512MB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Unbuffered System Memory Model w/ Heat Spreader ($47.97 unit price)
$177.00 - CPU - Intel Pentium 4 521 Prescott 800MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T Processor - Retail


Total: $497.88 USD

In four months the price would probably be even less too... perhaps 400-450. (all newegg.com prices)

Ok all you hardware pro's... what's your take on SLI, and how would you configure your systems?


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Posted: 17th Oct 2005 23:25
Quote: "with a 64bit intel chip"


Yeah the Intel Pentium EMT64 is about as 64-bit as the Semperon
Sure they have the extensions, but it's not the same as true 64-bit.

Intel's only true 64-bit Chip is the Itanium, and quite frankly it sucks. Even Intel are phasing them out for the much more powerful 32-bit Xeon EMT64-bit Chips.

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Quote: " Uhh.. what comes AFTER the 64bit chips?? "

It should be 256bit (it would be best to skip 128bit really)

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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 00:21
If we go by Sony's definition of 128-bit technically we've had it for almost 8years.

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password cracking here we come!!!

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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 03:15 Edited at: 18th Oct 2005 03:17
Quote: "Yeah the Intel Pentium EMT64 is about as 64-bit as the Semperon
Sure they have the extensions, but it's not the same as true 64-bit."


I was wondering about that actually

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2158&p=2

Apparently the Xeon's are close, and this benchmark was done August of last year, so I don't think your statement is quite right, unless you can prove otherwise...

I'm not saying that Intel performs better than AMD, I just happen to like Intel more, and Intel chips aren't that far behind But... seeing a 500 dollar price tag on my system, even before those fancy SLI gfx cards, I'm going to put together an AMD 64bit system here..

$146.00 - CPU - AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor - Retail
$84.00 - x2 - RAM - CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory - Retail - $42.00 Unit Price
$4.99 - COOLMAX 12102 Aluminium RAM Heatsink, Blue - Retail (to keep all things equal)
$94.99 - GIGABYTE GA-K8N-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Total:
$329.98

Big difference with the 64 bit hardware...

Note the biggest difference was the fact that I couldnt find a 64bit MOBO lga775 unless it had DDR2, and you'll notice the price is more than double for DDR2. OUCH!

I would've pointed out the discrepency earlier, if I had more time when I posted. So better performance, 150 dollars cheaper.. Good trade off


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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 04:51
Yes, but what you have to remember.

Xeon 3.6 GHz 32-bit w/HT EMT64 3700+
AMD 2.6GHz 64-bit no/HT Running in 32-bit Mode 3600+

Put bluntly. The AMD was capable of keeping up despite being an entire GHz slower in real speed. And without any Threading Technology support so your looking at 30-40% of the overall speed going to waste as opposed to the Intel which wastes only around 10-15%.

When your also talking Pentium 4 3.6GHz EMT64 w/HT against the exact same AMD64 3600+ and the scores are quite different.

(which should be noted this *isn't the AMD Opteron which can achieve 4000+ at 2.6GHz or the AMD FX 2.6GHz which can achieve close to 4200+.. the AMD64 X2 2.6GHz reached 4800+)

In all cases the Intel Processors only perform better on things like compression. When you rate it in real-world performance like using Maya under duress, or Game Applications; your more likely to see the power of the AMD perform far above the Intel counterpart.

In-fact the Pentium-D 3.6GHz is currently Intel's quickest processor on the market. The AMD64 X2 4200+ is capable out-performing this processor until it is over-clocked to 4.3GHz (which is as far as it overclocks)

There really isn't disputing the AMD 7x4 Instruction Cycle in 64-bit is a much more powerful combination than the Intel 4x4 Cycle in 32-bit with 64-bit Enhancments and HyperThreading.

Imagine if the AMD Processor could HyperThread... they would be able to achieve some truely staggering benchmarks. Intel quite frankly don't have what it takes technology wise to keep up.

Espcially when you look at the prices. Intel are trailing in power-terms, and still charging far more for technology that only works on specialised boards. It's no wonder they're trying all they can to subvert AMD business-wise over the past few years.

God knows if the fabled Pentium 5 will ever reach the market, or perform as Intel hoped.

Don't get me wrong. Intel are STILL far better for stuff like programming machines, rendering machines, server machines, etc..
They're just better suited because they're quicker and can throughput far more smaller chunks of data that don't require fantastic processing power.

I doubt there will be any other choice for a serious business machine.

As far as gaming, home computing and workstations go though. There is no disproving the fact that AMD are not only holding thier own but setting the bar for what processors can do.

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