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Geek Culture / Light-Weight Object Oriented Programming.

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Last time I asked this, it became a procedural vs. oo debate. This time- pleeaasee- don't do that.

So the question is, in a light-weight oop language (like JavaScript, for example), what are the most essential oop elements you wouldn't want to miss?


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No one can answer the question.
You need to more work through it and add as you feel things are needed.

Start with the Basic structure design, then work upward from that.
So many people will have conflicting views, and thoughts. Things used more commonly are often entirely missed out and not noticed until too late.

Only way you can really put something together is determining what use you can personally make of it and add from there.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2005 18:55 Edited at: 12th Oct 2005 18:56
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Erm... it's about "views and thoughts", that's why I posted this question here.


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Posted: 12th Oct 2005 18:58
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i think he means " genericly"
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Posted: 12th Oct 2005 19:03 Edited at: 12th Oct 2005 19:04
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The question is simple, what do you personally think are the most important elements of object oriented programming. What part of the OOP philosophy do you use most. That's all I want to know.


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doesn't it also depend on the language though.
although I can't name what the hell I do, the way I program in C# and C++ is quite different because they have different styles of OO implimentation.

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One, I would need for my objects to be able to have their own functions (ala C++/Java classes). I love that PlayBasic has Types, like structs, but for OO there would need to be a higher level than that.

Also the way to make functions and member variables private, public, protected, and/or static.

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sort of what jeku said..

i just need the variables and the functions (and the private-public-protected-static stuff too i suppose...)



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ive been wondering this for ages.. but what is OOP?


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Posted: 13th Oct 2005 01:41 Edited at: 13th Oct 2005 01:41
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Object Oriented Programming

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Empty, A simple concept of Class would be a good basis. The ability to have not only simple property fields similar to a UDT, but functions/subs contained in the object would be very good. I wont even ask about Events, but if you managed that that would be golden. Lets leave Inheritance for another day

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Posted: 13th Oct 2005 20:05
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Thanks for the input.


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Jeku,

Quote: " One, I would need for my objects to be able to have their own functions (ala C++/Java classes). I love that PlayBasic has Types, like structs, but for OO there would need to be a higher level than that.
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In terms of types, we're not even close to finished with those (the current implementation is prehistoric). V1.09 will implement static Arrays into types at least. We have a cross section of ideas on the table already from Dynamic arrays in types, to typed type pointers. Prolly some accessibility controls also, but those will mostly only needed through future modularity in the command sets (and if exposing typed arrays/variables in objects) .

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Methods, attributes, both with access modifiers. Inheritance... the whole shebang really. Polymorphism is a feature that I use less often than the others but I still wouldn't use an OO language without it!

One thing I would push for though is static attributes in classes. These are essential for many common class designs such as the singleton and the factory design pattern.
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@uwdesign - Sweeet!

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I can't imagine what I'd do without classes these days. Types and structures are well and good, but with classes come control. Implementation of classes are important too. I want things compact and easy for overview.

I don't like for instance c++ way of doing things where you declare classes in one file (.h) and then implement classes in another (.cpp). I also don't like visual basic's way of doing things because even simpler code so easily grows so... extended. But that's just what I'm used to, I suppose.

But classes is what I'd miss most if I had to revert from OOP. Even if they had no inheritance or polymorphism to speak of. But as CattleRustler said, let's leave that to another day.

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you know you can just declare your classes in the .cpp file...

unless i missed something

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@Peter_

That's allright. I don't use c++ anyway.

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