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Geek Culture / Question about Hardware (Router / HUB - Internet Stuff)

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John H
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Never really was a hardware guy...I plug stuff in, I get the intarnet, job done. Now recently Ive been noticing mah gosh darned intarnets gone slowed up on me. OK, no more accent. Really though, its been going slow.

On STEAM, I havent been getting ANY servers with good pings, maybe like 3 with around 60 on super common maps like dust2. So whats the deal? In game, Im spiking like a mad man, sometimes Ill be at 50 ping but then Ill hover around 150, or worse, spikes go into the 200s, 300s, 400s and even THOUSANDS.

First thought, someone in the house is downloading/uploading something. Our house works this way. Dad gets internet downstairs, he has a router. His internet feeds to my room, I have a hub. I then have a wire going from my hub to my brothers computer. Thus, when my brother is doing something internet related, hes taking my bandwidth, and when my parents are doing something downstairs (say, emailing something with an attachment) I'm getting less bandwidth.

My question: If I get a router installed in my room rather then a HUB, would I experience better ping times, less/no loss of bandwidth due to activity around the house etc? Really getting sick of everything being so slow

Another hardware question! For a while now, when I leave my computer on overnight with my sound set to my headphones, I often wake up in the morning and I have no sound. Under the Sounds/Audio Devices panel, it says 'No Audio Device Detected' Strange. A reboot fixes the problem, but is quite annoying. Sometimes when I come back to the computer and try to run, oh say..AIM - I get an error saying 'The System Does not have Enough Memory to Perform this Task' This has only recently started happening, does anyone know what could the the problem, and hopefully a solution to this problem? Heres a bit of info relating to both problems:

My Internet
Cable Modem: 3mb/s Download :: 225kb/s Upload

Computer
Athlon 2600+
512MB DDR Ram
120GB HardDrive

Hopefully soon going to be upgrading my mobo, power supply and GFX card (as half the things I test/program dont run...)

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks Guys
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Posted: 25th Oct 2005 04:41
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Using a Router would have no difference to using a HUB.
There's still only a limited amount of bandwidth available along the incoming connection.
However, having said that... If you have a 3Mb/s connection and it's distributed across only 3 computers... There's definatly something wrong if you are slowing down that much.

Check all the connections - Pull out and replug in all cables, and where possible, keep the cables under 6ft long ( the longer it is, the more interferance in the line, and then the more errors in transmission ).

The usual: Make sure you have latest drivers, firmware, etc.

If your router is a dodgy cheap one ( same goes for your hub ), that could be limiting it.

Try connecting your PC to the net directly ( unplug everything, then plug your computer into your modem ) and see if you get better speeds. Then add the router, test again, then add the hub and test again. That way you should be able to see the defunked device ( if there is one ).

The sound problem... That's a weird one!
Check Device Manager, and right click -> Disable, then again but 'Enable' this time. That should bring it back without a restart.

It sounds like you've got some sort of program that is running idly in the background whilst your computer is on which is leaking memory. ie, it creates area's of memory, and doesn't deallocate them leaving them sitting there with no owners, and nothing to do.

Check Task Manager, and shut down all Processes which you don't know what they are ( obviously use common sense, and don't just shut down things like the SVCHost ). Then leave your pc on over night, and see what it's like in the morning.

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my guess is your upload is getting hammered. hense why the 100ms's and even 1000ms's pings. have a check if your router supports rateshaping (might come as a hacked firmware or an official addon) if your router is newish, if it does use that . prioritise ports over everything else e.g. cs over http

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Like Jessticular said if you have an old router then its no surprise.
But I think your problem may have to do with your network. I use a D-Link Router and support 4 computer internet connections very easily. The connection speed is very good. I think what you should do is simply continue getting your internet from your dad's router but have your brother connect to your dad's router directly as well. This will speed up your connection. Also, depending where you live there are internet stealers or whatever you want to call them. Basically what they do to get a free internet connection is drive up near your house or even a street away. Then they wait sit in the car with their laptop and steal your internet connection very easily. This slows down your internet a lot. So if you think this could be happening (who knows it can even be your neighbour) simply encrypt your router.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2005 03:08 Edited at: 26th Oct 2005 03:11
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I would first like to say that a Router is way different than a Hub and you would be safe to know that UTP wires are safe around 100 meters and less. There are things that can cause it to lose bits. Like cross talk interference and EMI, which is unwanted eletrical energy.

A router is meant to connect networks together you can say.

A hub is meant for connecting computers with in a network and they are cheap and i say legacy. They were used in the past for homes/businesses/schools and so on because switches were expensive back then.

A switch is like a hub but better. You would just need a workgroup switch.

If I were you. I would get rid of that legacy hub and get a switch because the way a hub works is this. Only one person can send data at a time and the other computers have to wait to send till that computer is done, while a switch can take multiple messages a time and send them out.
Your router downstairs has a built in switch. Thats why it supports muiltiple computers and is used for connecting to the outside.

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If you have a network and have multiple computers linked together via a hub and experience a slow internet connection, the problem is most likey coming from data colissions. This is due to the fact that a hub cannot create a colission domaine, only bridges, switches and routers can create a colission domaine. To resolve the problem you are best off getting a switch and dropping the hub altogether. This switch will enable you to have simutaneous actions on the network without lag.

Here is one for $20.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817130101 It look pretty good.
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Epo a hub and switche are totally different, a hub is just a muly port repeter( takes data in, amplifys it and puts it out all ports except the originating port. ) a switche can send data directly to a pc if it is in CAM using the MAC address.

and JessTicular His brother is taking away from his band width.

And is your dad realy using a router or is he using one of thoughs smart switches, I hate how they market them thing as router when the are just smart switches.
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Quote: " Epo a hub and switche are totally different"

Where did I say they were the same. I said a switch is like a Hub. There both used for LANs for networking computers with in a network with the ability of regeneration.

Where did you get the idea of smart switches are routers. Look it up.
Switches like Hubs are used with in a network. A router takes you out of your current network to another network. Thats why they market them as routers. You can pretty much say that a Smart switch is a Manageable Switch.

For example some smart switchedes I googled up.

Enterasys SmartSwitch Router Bridge/router-by Enterasys markets this as a router/switch. Because it can take you out and have the built in switch with in the router.

NetGear's
ProSafe™ 48-port Gigabit Smart Switch markets this as a switch, because it does not take you out.
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/GS748T.php

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Posted: 26th Oct 2005 13:59
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sorry, Epo I miss read your post.

Also I was not taking to you when I asked if He as in RPGamer dad was using a router or a smart switch, they are just a smart switch. They lack the ability to do many thing a router can.
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Ive made a bit of headway on the sound issue. When I dont have any sound, in the device manager under sound 'Kernel Wave Audio Mixer' has a yellow ! next to it. Under details it says

Quote: "The driver for this device might be corrupted, or your system may be running low on memory or other resources. (Code 3)

Click Troubleshoot to start the troubleshooter for this device."


Although when I DO have sound, the Kernel Wave Audio Mixer doesnt even appear in the device manager! Weird :o

Thanks for all the ideas internet wise, Ive been toying around with them and I think the issue has been solved


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I think if you switch your router and switch and route your switch to a hub, then switch the hub and router it might just work. Don't forget to sense-check your TCPs and UTPs ASAP, and make sure that are switching back an RSVP to the IP before it all goes FUBAR. OK?

Now that, to me, makes just as much sense as everything else here

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O...K...thanks


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