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Geek Culture / Windows "Live"

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JoelJ
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 02:19
Windows live is MS's latest attempt at copying Google. It's exactly like Google's Personalized Home page thingy...
tis stupid...BUT
it says "Firefox Users
Firefox support is coming soon. Please be patient "
on live.com's front page... so, ms is finally recognising the greater power

the Office LIVE thing looks neato tho

I'll give you some toast
My BLOG really sucks...
Killswitch
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 10:58
There was an interesting article that appeared on Google News about this. It said that by introducing a new buisness model, Microsoft would end up competing against its current buisness model and end up destroying its own, very profitable way of doing things.

Well, that was the jist of it.

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BatVink
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 12:04
You do know that Google's personalised homepage is in aid of better stats and tracking, don't you? If you sign in, all of your searches can be made a collective profile.

They can do it with IP addresses, but logging in is a step further and more accurate.

indi
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 14:24
it all boils down to how cool the name is frankly with the masses.
microsoft is not as cool as google in the naming stakes.
the technology is there already for anyone to start a google of there own if they wanted.
portal companies such as yahoo were predecessors to this phenonemum.
microsoft will never be cool, they are too regimental to be anything but, they are masters of copycats and consume any idea they think is good.
you now at the end of the day they trade your information to each other for a set price. dont try to convince me otherwise thanks, ive seen enough evil corporate moves to know what the deal is. i would like to tell you about the site im working on but i signed a non disclosure agreement.
an email a few years ago was 10cAUD to the right company, prolly 25c each now. tap a few thousand emails and you got digital hard drive gold right there on your mums crappy Dell inspiron 9100.
the marketing of cool has been around for ages, name branding gives you a connection to the product or service, take a look at mac evangelists or AMD gurus. they are all advocates for the product, yet dont get paid a single cent for there spreading of advertising.
a product or service makes you feel better about yourself as your binding yourself to an ideal or way of life,etc....
it lies very close to religion, people need things to believe in, its not always good however to want the name brand or the most attractive item of desire.
people who succum to this kind of marketing, are usually suceptible to other kinds of "Hype".
you pay more for a product (usually inferior then other competing brands as well) when you think less of its quality and more about the shiny button on the front.

open office is a neat package but its hardly got the hype and reputation as ms office.
it still does the job, people however frown on it because its not as purdy or paper clip animated as ms word.

branding = extra unwarranted cost, however i still get sucked in to good ones, even though im aware of all this advertising sneakyness.

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Jeku
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 17:58
indi is right. Can you imagine IBM competing with Google in the search front? They're not hip.

Jimmy
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 18:36
I think Microsoft is hip.

Benjamin
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 03:14
I think Google is hippo.

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JoelJ
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 04:52
Quote: "open office is a neat package but its hardly got the hype and reputation as ms office."

and it's huge, slow, and takes a lot of system resources, MSOffice is by far the best Office Suite out there, I personally use OO.o because it's free and I don't use it enough to care about speed or system resources.
They have a long way to go, but i'm not complaining

Jeku
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 07:40
But when you're in Linux for 90% of the day (like I am, due to work constraints), you don't have a lot of options

I was really impressed by OO today when I opened an Excel spreadsheet, and everything worked, even the links and macros. Amazing.

JoelJ
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 08:21
yeah, it's a really good Suite, but it's not the same as MSOffice


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indi
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 13:11
its responsive on my machines, what cant you do with open office that you cant with ms office.?

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the_winch
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 14:16
I've always preferred abiword to OO. It's just a word processor but less bloated.

For a spreadsheet there is always gnumeric (buggy on windows) or kspread (doesn't even run on windows).

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blanky
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 17:42
What have Microsoft managed to achieve between Word 95 and Word 2003?

Menus. And more memory usage, and the stupid Office Assistant now with glorious transparency. And menus. But nothing that makes a different to your average user.
JoelJ
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 22:59
Excel is by far the best for spreadsheets.
I don't know this by experience, however, my dad is a CPA and he decided to try several different open source alternatives.
When he tried OOo he said that it couldn't do nearly the same as excel with some things, and that excel was a lot faster.

Jeku
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 02:06
How long did he try it out? There is a ton of stuff to use with OO's version of Excel. It's all there--- even with a spell checker, which I don't believe Excel has.

BearCDPOLD
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 02:49
Why do you need a spell checker in a spreadsheet application?

I haven't tried Open Office yet, but Office runs slower than a constipated turtle belly-crawling through mud on my pc.


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JoelJ
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 03:25
Quote: "How long did he try it out? There is a ton of stuff to use with OO's version of Excel. It's all there--- even with a spell checker, which I don't believe Excel has."


I dont know how long
and I'm not bashing OOo at all I use it
and MSExcel has a spell check, it's just not auto.

Jeku
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 18:52
Right now I'm keeping MSOffice off my comp until I absolutely need it. I've found that intalling the free Word, Excel, and Powerpoint viewers from the MS site is great if you want to make absolute sure that your document is appearing in OO like the original author intended. Also when I export a Word Document like, say, a resume, it's really important that it doesn't look messed in the Word format. So after exporting it from OO I open it in Word viewer just to make sure.

It used to be the case that about 25% of the time the document would have some crazy artifacts or missing table elements, or whatever. Now I have yet to find a difference, but it's still good practice.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 19:11
I don`t use Office, no use for that much power, but this PC came with Works installed and I got fed up of Word throwing errors on every boot (complaining about a missing HD letter I didn`t even have ), open office org 2.0 is much better and has more power than most people use (as does MS works), but I don`t get dumb errors and flawed/failed attempts at integration with OOo, plus when I use the Linux machines I don`t see the join and data is sure to swap over.


Quote: "What have Microsoft managed to achieve between Word 95 and Word 2003?
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large incomes!, by making each succesive version load some formats that the older versions will not they force people in business to constantly upgrade so that they can read documents from different dept`s or companies when they get sent one in the new format, more of a money making excercise than giving people added functionality.



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bitJericho
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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 21:36
Quote: "and it's huge, slow, and takes a lot of system resources, MSOffice is by far the best Office Suite out there, I personally use OO.o because it's free and I don't use it enough to care about speed or system resources.
They have a long way to go, but i'm not complaining"


MS Office isn't the best, I think word perfect is the best. Used to use it at my last job, superior to anything I've used since.


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JoelJ
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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 23:22
I really wish the creators of OO would add some TABBING ability
I hate having a hundred Open Office Documents open on my taskbar, I want ONE

blanky
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Posted: 9th Nov 2005 19:35
OpenOffice r0x0rs my s0x0rs, but I still think it'd be nice if someone just sat down and made a minimalistic (but complete) office suite..

Someone...like... me
JoelJ
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Posted: 9th Nov 2005 22:50
Quote: "Someone...like... me "

good...luck

most users don't really notice how much hard drive space their office suite takes up. And they really don't care, so if someone DID make a lightweight Office suite, they wouldn't say "Ohh, COOL! a lightweight office suite!" but they would rather say: "this sucks, it doesn't have this, this, that, or this!"

but I do agree, if programers weren't lazy and would just TRY to keep things smaller, we would have a 64mg OS rather than this blasted 2gig bloated peice of poo...

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