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Geek Culture / Do high software prices make you angry?

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Torrey
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 09:55
Does anyone else besides me get mad for a split second when you see high price on a piece of software or component? My example for this post is this product (even though I have plenty more that fall into this category):

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=995&FeatureID=8411&keycode=3438

Sony wants to charge someone $19.95 ($24.95 packaged) for such a simple program. It's nothing more then a nice interface that includes multimedia extensions, and copies to or deletes files from your PSP memory stick. Seeing such a thing makes me want to code another version and charge $5 for it or maybe give it away for free.

Certain software products like DarkBASIC Pro I believe deserve the money because of the time and hardwork put into its creation. Monster also does a great job at keeping his prices low on the creations he makes too!

It's half tempting to charge for my own things I create, but even though I'm starving with no food in my fridge (I have pics if you want proof!) I'll keep handing things out for free, or for a very low price if I put tons of hard work in to the project.


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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 10:05 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2005 10:12
I agree 100%. Companies get rather money hungry, and can charge completely insane prices for simple programs that could easily and quite quickly be coded in DBP. I also agree that programs like DBP are more than worth it, because true effort has been put in to create it. But some of these things are ridiculous. That Sony example is a great one. There are heaps of freeware programs that do a better job than that probably does. And $20? It's insane. That's way to much for something like that.


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indi
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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 14:02 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2005 14:05
recently this year I forked over $4000AUD for software to edit video and make dvds etc.. however one job pays it all back.

what about when macromedia bought out the creator of drumbeat2000 and it was like $10000 then dropped to $1000 when no one used it because it didnt really work.

after people complained they threw in a package very similar to dreamweaver today but with a drumbeat extension set.

this is an insight that even larger companies get the prices wrong sometimes and even stuff it all up as well. however the userbase is the best place to see if a product is healthy.
take a look at the users on this game creation forum for example.

you have to get past the "starving artist" chapter in your artistic / programming life cycle.

I have been there in many instances, "will draw for food","will code for food" comes to mind. I gave about 3 free years to this community a while back, because lee b was kind to give me a chance, unlike the rude reply i got from the creator of another product very similar to Darkbasic at the time. I gave back tenfold, unfortunately tho i had to pay bills and earn a living and a retirement egg.

If your a legit business owner there is an incredible markup on everything to stay afloat and make a profit. the software game is no different, you could pour 2 million into a project and end up with a whole bunch of crap if your not carefull about the control of the product.

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Posted: 2nd Nov 2005 18:50
I can't stand it when companies mark a program "for business". When that happens the price doubles or triples what a non-business application would cost.
MrNick
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 01:32
software prices can be ignored if you hav P2P.... yeah... i no its mean but im not paying $200 for a piece of software.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 01:59
Quote: "software prices can be ignored if you hav P2P.... yeah... i no its mean but im not paying $200 for a piece of software."


That's piracy... so not good at all. But WHAT generates it? high prices. Then they get angry 'cause people are pirating their software... reason? free (except for the phone bill, which sometimes comes around 5-10th part of the full price).

I really think people should think about the prices of their software... for example, a small program that can create virtual drives and stuff I can sell it for 5$ max, because the work was easy and isn't buggy (at least in my comp isn0t) but I'm not gonna charge 40$ for something like that. Really that Sony thing is a good example of exaggeration.

Some programs can seem expensive (DBPro seems to me) but IT'S WORTH IT, not only for what you can do, but because of all the work the creators put into it. Of course, if you're really experienced and can do a complicated program for most in a matter of seconds, you are able to sell it at a reasonable price (which would be high to most) because it's hard for most people to make, and that's acceptable.

Still, yes: Or software prices go down and think about the end user, or piracy will keep existing. They hate it, of course, then lower the damn prices xD...

Torrey
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2005 08:25
Quote: "this is an insight that even larger companies get the prices wrong sometimes and even stuff it all up as well. however the userbase is the best place to see if a product is healthy.
take a look at the users on this game creation forum for example.

you have to get past the "starving artist" chapter in your artistic / programming life cycle."


I'll eventually get there. After working countless hours (30+) a week it crosses my mind to start charging, but I still have the idea in mind to keep things free. Although I'm planning on upping the quality of DarkScript for a more professional plugin to sell for $15 or less.

Quote: "I have been there in many instances, "will draw for food","will code for food" comes to mind. I gave about 3 free years to this community a while back, because lee b was kind to give me a chance, unlike the rude reply i got from the creator of another product very similar to Darkbasic at the time. I gave back tenfold, unfortunately tho i had to pay bills and earn a living and a retirement egg."


Same thing happened here. With the popularity growing of TGC products I'm starting to wonder if the forums population will grow so large that the creators behind the products will no longer be able to interact with us anymore?

Quote: "If your a legit business owner there is an incredible markup on everything to stay afloat and make a profit. the software game is no different, you could pour 2 million into a project and end up with a whole bunch of crap if your not carefull about the control of the product."


The markup is understandable to make a profit, but if you have to do that just to make ends meet that business should start researching plans to kill/sell the business. It's only a matter of time before it all comes to a halt.

Quote: "I can't stand it when companies mark a program "for business". When that happens the price doubles or triples what a non-business application would cost."


I still think a lot of "business" products and software are worse then the "home-user" ones.

Quote: "I really think people should think about the prices of their software... for example, a small program that can create virtual drives and stuff I can sell it for 5$ max, because the work was easy and isn't buggy (at least in my comp isn0t) but I'm not gonna charge 40$ for something like that. Really that Sony thing is a good example of exaggeration."


I'm not sure if you're refering to the Sony software as creating the virtual drive or not? When you connect the USB cable to the pc from th PSP it automatically creates the drive. That software probably detects the proper drive by scanning for certain characteristics.

Overall, the trend will most likely continue with the high prices even though the technology gets better every day. With more people able to own a business out of their own home might someday kill the profits of the bigger guy to where he has to lower prices to compete. Only time will tell.


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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:22
I personally think that the only way to end piracy is to end high prices. Saying that, I do have sympathy for certain companys - would you want 3 years work to be sold at £5 a copy? And would you want every kid to have a copy of Visual Studio they picked up from PC World under £50?

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 20:38
Grr, seeing high prices makes me murder innocent children
Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 21:50
Quote: "Do high software prices make you angry?"


hahah nope. that just gives me (in my oppinion so dont try this at home folks!) my own personal justification for getting hold of a... p####ed copy, for free

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