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John Y
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Hi,

I received my copy of Visual Studio 2005 yesterday, and I have to say I am very impressed with it. The funky features such as component locking in the GUI designer and the editor which has arrows pointing at errors and stuff just make it a pleasure to work with.

I just wanted to perform a quick poll on whether you would install .Net 2.0 if a program required it, or whether you would shun it either because your not quite sure what it is or any other reason?

Please don\'t start bashing Microsoft, .Net or other MS Technology in this thread though


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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 11:11
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I may if something needed it... But few programs I need do...

Anyway, onto VS 2005 - do C programs compile quicker ? Are the executables smaller ? Do they run quicker ?

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John Y
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 11:18
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Well, it's too new to be used in any programs at least for a couple of weeks. But there will be a time when it becomes more widespread.

Quote: "do C programs compile quicker ? Are the executables smaller ? Do they run quicker ?"


Sorry, not a C++ programmer. I'll try some samples a though later and see how it goes.

The syntax highlighting has changed also, which makes your code a little clearer. It's not simply blue and black, but now different hues of blue


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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 11:41 Edited at: 4th Nov 2005 11:56
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Interesting...

Hopefully it'll be a bit more stable than 2003.

Ooh - are you thinking of coming to the convention, by the way ?

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The component locking is quite cool.

You not been using the Beta versions?

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John Y
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 18:55
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I got my beta like 2 weeks ago, so I didn't bother installing it. I think I will watch the dvd though, it might teach me a thing or to.


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We use Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition at work, and if there's anything you should upgrade for, it's the debugger. In C++, if you put a breakpoint in there, your local variables actually come alive! You can for example click the plus sign on an array and see all the elements. You can inspect anything, instead of needing the HEX address of the memory location and casting it in the local watcher.

You can also break the program, change a few lines of code, and CONTINUE the program from where it left off, intead of restarting fresh. The compiler is smart enough to recompile just the section of code you changed. It's a huge time-saver indeed.

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Quote: "You can also break the program, change a few lines of code, and CONTINUE the program from where it left off, intead of restarting fresh. The compiler is smart enough to recompile just the section of code you changed. It's a huge time-saver indeed"

Didn't VC6 do that already?

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Yeah, VB6 (from way back in 1998) had that too

(Btw: When it says 'dont install on primary work computer', BELIEVE IT. Some of the components have seriously caused instability in my system, and uninstalling didn't work... Which is a pity, because VB.Net 2005 EE rules as a kind of upgrade from ol' VB6.)

In an Open dialog box, pressing the down arrow next to 'Address:' freezes that program for about 2 minutes. Pretty depressing.
And HL2 now crashes randomly, and it didn't before installing the .NET beta...
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They had that already in VS2003, Jeku. But it may be new for C++, as I have only used VS for C#.


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we use asp and .net at work for this current project, having not much exposure to it until this project, i have a healthy respect for it. however im still liking php more only because .net still requires a large download for use like vb.

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I haven't been able to figure out how to make ASP.net apps look decient in Firefox, a lot of the formatting and stuff didn't work last time i tried, maybe it was because I suck at programming

hey cool, Close All Tags button, I was going to request that....


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ASP.net apps should look the same as a PHP app in Firefox. It just outputs straight HTML and Javascript.

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didn't for me when I was making this website a while back.

It wouldn't resize text boxes or change background colors of labels and stuff, in firefox, but it would in IE or using the Agent Switcher in FF and changing to IE.


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Quote: "
I just wanted to perform a quick poll on whether you would install .Net 2.0 if a program required it,
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Nope.

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or whether you would shun it either because your not quite sure what it is or any other reason?
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Enforcing another 22 meg + download/installation process upon people is not convenience for the majority of end users at this point.

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Quote: "I just wanted to perform a quick poll on whether you would install .Net 2.0 if a program required it"

I wouldn't:
1) Because I've had bad experiences with the betas.
2) Too few applications actually NEED it - seems a pointless upgrade for me. I'll wait until it becomes a prerequisite for many applications. Anyhoo, no doubt MS will bundle it with this new XP release planned.

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Quote: "It wouldn't resize text boxes or change background colors of labels and stuff, in firefox, but it would in IE or using the Agent Switcher in FF and changing to IE."


Aha, but that's because it uses IE-only graphic filters that are built into IE's HTML renderer anyways.

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