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MicroMan
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 16:33
I've spent ten minutes trying to figure out why my avatar doesn't show up. Then I realized... Unix is case sensitive. What's a poor, spoilt windows user to do?

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 16:34
Live with it. Unix is the future

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 16:40
It is? And here I thought it was the past. Robbie The Robot-like.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 16:47
David R, I dont want to know how old you are, but you seem to be in the phase of "Windows-sucks-and-mac-or-linux-rocks". This started with buggy ME and 95. XP is leaps ahead of them. It works. Microsoft makes awesome software. Your probably a teen, but the future IS a microsoft filled one. It wont fall for a looooooong time. Sorry, but its the truth.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 16:57
Quote: "What's a poor, spoilt windows user to do?"


Type correctly?

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:06
off topic: Rich I like your web blog! Very intresting, and makes good advice for php developers.
On topic: Windows is case sensitive too0.o

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:25
Quote: "On topic: Windows is case sensitive too0.o"

IIS isn't case sensitive

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Quote: " off topic: Rich I like your web blog! Very intresting, and makes good advice for php developers."


Thanks Still under development, but am adding the rest of my published articles into it later on tonight when work has finished. I found a bug in the php blog software I am using (the excellent serendipity), so fixed that and it kinda side-tracked me from the content I didn't think anyone would even notice it.. but I was wrong: http://www.phpdeveloper.org/news/4230

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:27
@Rich

What was wrong with that spelling?

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Benjamin
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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:33
Quote: "On topic: Windows is case sensitive too0.o"

It is not...

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:46 Edited at: 4th Nov 2005 17:56
Quote: "David R, I dont want to know how old you are, but you seem to be in the phase of "Windows-sucks-and-mac-or-linux-rocks". This started with buggy ME and 95. XP is leaps ahead of them. It works. Microsoft makes awesome software. Your probably a teen, but the future IS a microsoft filled one. It wont fall for a looooooong time. Sorry, but its the truth."


Bill gates is dead anyway. Chill (http://www.billgatesisdead.com j/k)

Quote: ""Windows-sucks-and-mac-or-linux-rocks""

Can I have a quote on where and when I actually said 'windows sucks'?


And besides that, UNIX/LINUX is free, and its growing. M$ will eventually die - because it lives through revenue. Ok, its going to take a long time for Linux to sustain itself in the marketplace - its definately not the turf of home-users just yet. When gets there though, its going to rock M$'s world. Because OpenSource software has practically nothing to lose. Microsoft does.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 17:50
I don't want MicroDollar to die(thats what M$ means, right?)

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Posted: 4th Nov 2005 22:29
lol my business application and development is pure mac now a days. bill pays me cash when his OS gets infected with spyware and one of his temple acolytes allows me to fix it while they curse my g4 1.67 lappie that oozes style all over there crappy pc desk.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:09
macs are good, but in todays market (and probably for 100 years) Microsoft will rule. And quote:
Quote: " Live with it. Unix is the future"


meaning that microsoft and windows has some base problems, (sucks) that unix has.

Oh god, open source evil . No offense but if linux ever wants to get big, it will change to closed source, so people dont know how to HaX0r it when it becomes popular(yah, it isnt as bad now, because it is so sucky and un-popular ). Rich, I added your site to favorites. Looks like it will be a nice site

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:22
100000 infected reasons not to touch microslop and growing.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:25
Now, Ok. Lets say that Mac becomes popular? What would happen? Unix? Linux? Nothing??!?! The same thing of course

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:30
Quote: "On topic: Windows is case sensitive too0.o"

wrong, WINDOWS and file names and such is NOT case sensitive...'

some programs that run IN windows may be case sensitive

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:30
one can assume that might happen, unfortunately mac os x is not developed like microsoft and the user base is unix / old mac fans.
the pc fanbase can stay where it is for all i care.
2006 will be Intel based macs running either OS X or Win based.
Its the operating system thats letting you down not the hardware.

spyware cant be installed on a mac unless your foolish enough to enter the authentication password for root user, sure everyone can be duped into thinking a program is legit on any platform. however coutn how many virii are already on WinXP and the spyware and then compare it to OS x.

I think you will find windows in ceratin areas will still be case sensitive as well.

my god this forum post is about as usefull as flyscreens on submarines.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:36 Edited at: 5th Nov 2005 01:37
Yes it is. I like making contridictions of myself. It is fun.


cool!
edit: sorry if that isnt allowed

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:40
im not about to bite you for your opinion, thats your thoughts, im not a thought nazi, but im telling you from vast years of experience what i think the deal is. take it or leave it, thats still your choice. healthy debate is like evolution, its required to stay flexible and to be able to survive. We need a difference of opinion to get a better idea of the picture at hand. One sided views are like a dead end DNA structure without a chance to evolve.

its all good mate dont sweat it.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 01:44
I can evolve ?!?!? Cool. I dont like making others mad (exept when they deserve it ).

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 05:50
>And besides that, UNIX/LINUX is free, and its growing.

Ok, someone had to say this... Unix is not free, and Unix is not Linux.


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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 07:07
I really want to try a Mac. My classmate got MS Office, Photoshop CS, and some Macromedia stuff installed in his G4 laptop for free because he's a student. ^_^

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 07:09
Macs own at some things, but they dont have enough software I use.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 17:05
I doubt my webhost uses Linux. And as I understand things, Unix is not linux. Linux is a subset of Unix. When I think of Unix (not Linux) I think of big clunking mainframes from the 60s and bearded programmers that mutters about altair switches and busted transistor tubes.

I know, that's wrong, but what the hey.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 17:46 Edited at: 5th Nov 2005 18:01
the majority of servers use Linux so actualy odds are you are on a Linux box, this upsets Billy boy something chronic, thats why he commisioned all those "Linux is expensive" adverts, he`s losing a serious amount of revenue to Linux based servers, faster, stable, cheaper, he don`t like it M`lord, oh no indeedy, don`t get me wrong, Windows is quite good, but it forces people down paths they don`t want to go, no choice and Vista locking you into DRM any day soon, just say no, the lack of options is what is crippling the development of the market.



[edit] your base server seems to be Yahoo...according to netcraft they run their servers on FreeBSD, a Linux offshoot

if there is one thing I can NOT tolerate, it`s intolerant people.
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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 18:08
Quote: "FreeBSD, a Linux offshoot"


Huh? FreeBSD is Unix, not linux, and has been around a heck of a lot longer too.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 19:08 Edited at: 5th Nov 2005 19:19
oops got confused with that other Linux based on Gnu and netBSD .. I aint up on all the variations , yah, whatever still more Linux than winderz




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oh! and is your Midlands volcanoe base deserted now?, you should have turned it off before moving to the moonbase , the electricity bill must be running up a bit with all that molten lava and smoke fx going to waste.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 21:28
C'mon now - If I can build and run a moonbase, do you think I would forget to pay the electricity bill? The only problem is that I can't remember if I left the gas on ... can someone pop round and check?

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 21:32
And Linux is not a subset of Unix. It was developed by parties entirely opposite, building on source from early versions of Minix.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 21:35
Linux is most certainly not Unix, nor is it a subset of Unix. Some people prefer to refer to Linux as GNU/Linux, because it is built using many GNU tools (compiler, libraries, applications etc.). GNU stands for "GNU's Not Unix". Linux is however POSIX-compliant, which means that it adheres to a certain set of standards governing the user and software interfaces that an operating system must have.

Quote: "No offense but if linux ever wants to get big, it will change to closed source"


Firstly, Linux can never change to being closed source, because the license it is distributed under (the General Public License or GPL) expressly forbids this. Secondly, one of the core principles of open software is that it is safer from a security perspective exactly because the code is open - more people looking at the code means, in theory, that potential vulnerabilities are fixed quicker.

This is somewhat like commonly used encryption algorithms (such as AES) - they are hard to break despite the fact that the algorithm is publically available. In fact, because these algorithms are well known, it is possible for them to be more thouroughly tested and proved to be difficult to break (since more mathematicians have been able to examine them)


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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 21:36
I notice the enraged icons to the right of the screen. Are we going to have a fight soon? I'd better hide then...

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Posted: 5th Nov 2005 21:38 Edited at: 5th Nov 2005 21:41
ok, I`ll check the gas..whats the code for the security system again? was it 12345 or 11111?, I don`t want to get vaporised like last time, it`s lucky there are so many clones of me about realy, it saves paying life insurance (and was it you who destroyed the World Domination League shopping channel warehouse?, I hadn`t had the deathray delivered when you did that ) ,they don`t refund deposits (unless you have plenty of henchmen to spare to go and "get" it back for you).

[edit] as for the Unix/Linux thing, from what I read the two are interchangable, same gfx/sound system, same programs run on both etc, theres not actualy that much difference in my (limited knowledgbase) opinion, or am I missing something?.



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Well, if you ask me, I could point you to the "The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord".

Well, what the heck...

http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

I've studied them extensively. I believe I have the upper hand anyway.

One of the things. If I had a deathray weapon, I'd keep in a drawer next to my desk - where it is handy and close by.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2005 03:11 Edited at: 6th Nov 2005 03:13
Quote: "Live with it. Unix is the future"

Hardly.
I think what people look over is the fact that "we" might well be able to operate unix & linux to the extent we are able to windows, but think about the average home user. Give him/her a copy of debian and tell them to set up a home system - joystick, printer, scanner, usb modem, tv card, 5.1 surround - they'll probably be edging close to suicidal.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2005 06:38
So don't use debian :-P Use Ubuntu and anyone can get it working however they need.

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the networking in windows is based off BSD unix anyway so your a dam fool to suggest anything otherwise that unix / linux OSES are not good, even bill has issues with his networking in his os, so he swiped something that WORKED.

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I'd also like to point out, that the only reason I said 'UNIX' is the future, as opposed to GNU/LINUX, is because Linux complies with the standard UNIX spec. So in theory, it could be classed as a Unix OS (although it isn't really)

Quote: "Use Ubuntu"

I just finished d/loading an ISO of that yesterday What kind of install process should I expect though? Is it a GUI or shell based?

(I got a bit too comfy with the Redhat GUI install - so when I came to install Gentoo.... well, lets just say it was a shock I hope I don't get the same thing from Ubuntu)

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Posted: 6th Nov 2005 21:58
I forget now--- but just try it out? You only have to get to the first screen to see.

I believe it's a GUI installer, and it's pretty smart i.e. it doesn't ask a bunch of crap hardware questions. It auto-detected everything in my laptop automagically and everything just.... works!

There's also a huge community of Ubuntu followers:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org - great if you're stuck
http://www.ubuntuguide.org - priceless info for Windows users who want to get the best out of Linux

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Quote: "http://www.ubuntuguide.org - priceless info for Windows users who want to get the best out of Linux"


They're talking in the mailing list (apparently), about stamping out the Ubuntu Guide.

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>oops got confused with that other Linux based on Gnu and netBSD ..
>I aint up on all the variations , yah, whatever still more Linux
>than winderz

BSD is derived from Unix.

Minix is a microkernel and associated OS.

Linux is a 'Unix like kernel' but is not based on Minix. The first
versions of the Linux kernel was written and built on a Minix installation, however, Linux was not based on Minix.

Today Unix is a trademark and a standard. If an OS is POSIX compliant and compliant with the 'Single UNIX Specification' and the developer pays to have the OS UNIX certified, then the OS can be branded a UNIX OS.


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