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Jeku
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Posted: 13th Nov 2005 04:32
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Here is the full list of compatible games that will run on the Xbox 360. Unfortunately there are many alarming games that aren't there--- Burnout 3, Burnout Revenge, Splinter Cell trilogy, and NHL 2005 to name a few.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm

What do you guys think? Is it a matter of what companies will shell out the $$$ to Microsoft? Or it is the simplest games that are allowed only?

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Splinter Cell trilogy isn't there but spongebob square pants is? WTF I wanted to be able to sell my xbox but apparently im stuck with it.


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ugh, i think maybe 10 of my 45 games are on that list...

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erm it's too early for this , but are they saying that each title has a unique emulator or that there's merely an emulator ?

Anyway, i'm assuming the latter is more practical. As such It's just like any emulator, which are bound to be tripped up by those developers who've deviated from the normal practices. Perhaps by certain questionable optimizations, or the apps it timing critical etc etc.

I would hope anyway that they can support all Xbox titles eventually. But perhaps thats not practical. That would give existing Xbox owners with a back catalog of titles an easier upgrade road and moreover it would retain some value for existing titles.

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They already said that emulators for more and more games will be coming out, they just said this is the first batch of games.. they also say they want to hear more from gamers about which games they'd like in the next batch.

For anyone interested in 360 news and such.. a site that i use quite frequently is http://www.360updates.com

They actually just recently posted the number of units for each bestbuy location by store number.. take a look.



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Posted: 13th Nov 2005 07:42 Edited at: 13th Nov 2005 07:45
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Quote: "but are they saying that each title has a unique emulator or that there's merely an emulator ?"


Apparently they're building emulators for each game. It would be cool if these were stored on the hard drive, so in the future you could download updates over Xbox Live

But I remember them saying that all the bestselling games would be compatible. Are there that many Drake fans? And Burnout was huge.

EDIT: (this answers my question)

From IGN:

Quote: ""Now that we've solved the technical challenge and the emulator is working, we're certifying each original Xbox title by hand to run on Xbox 360," said Holmdahl. "What I'm really proud to tell you and your readers is that it's easy to get the emulation software, and it's free. We'll give gamers a choice—you can get the latest software updates from Xbox Live, burn a CD from xbox.com or sign up on Xbox.com for a CD that can be delivered to your home at a nominal shipping and handling fee. Once you get the CD, put it in your Xbox 360 and you're ready to go."

To access Xbox games on Xbox 360, gamers will need the 20GB Xbox hard drive. "Basically due to differences in the architecture… for backward compatibility, we have to re-create the procedures and functions of Xbox using stored data on the hard drive," said Holmdahl."


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Posted: 13th Nov 2005 07:47 Edited at: 13th Nov 2005 07:48
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Quote: "Barbie™ Horse Adventures™ Wild Horse Rescue™"


YES! Now I can play Barbie on my 360! Oh the joy!

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What the heck is this!? No Burnout, but at least we get Yourself! Fitness™!!!


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just another case of M$ stopping play on otherwise a total result of a holiday.

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mmm. Enter the Matrix sold over 5 milion copies but it´s not on the list? Exactly what do they call best selling?

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No Project Gotham 2 either. Hopefully it'll appear soon.

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hahaha I sold my xbox when I heard 360 would be backwards compatible. I only kept 3 games that I felt I'd want to play and sold the rest. None of those games are compatible with the 360 yet lol. I think its good that microsoft are writing the emulator and keep updating it. Its also pretty cool that the games will run in HD with antialiasing too, they'll look better. I hope they add other series soon though, especially the Burnouts as already mentionned.

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i dont think it "backward compatable" because if it was, it would not need a list because it would switch to the xbox settings
like the gameboy advance's switch there processor to make the older model gameboy games work, all MS is doing is adding something in the xbox360 hardware thats only for them games on the list and nothing else.
And that sucks, and is funny they went that route seeing there the almighty MS no one thought of it till way to late lol.
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Nobody said it was backward compatible They said from the start that it would be run with emulators. This is THE ONLY WAY with this system, because the 360 processor is RISC-based, as the original was basically a Pentium 733.

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Emulating a pentium on a RISC machine shouldn't be too hard (well, it's a lot of work, but the processor can pull it off nicely). The other way around is tough (RISC on a Pentium).
I don't really care about backwards compatability (as I don't have an XBox) so I will probably sell my little brother to get the 360, regardless of it playing old games or not.

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Actualy Jeku, not that i'm disagreeing with you but from what i hear it's not a matter of processor incompatibility, it's graphics incompatibility ever since they switched to ATI from Nvidia.



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Quote: " it's graphics incompatibility ever since they switched to ATI from Nvidia."


That's perfectly right.

Hey, do I see Jurassic Parkperation Genesis on that list? Do I?
Hehe, that's the only game I have I DIDN'T expect to be compatible



Oh! And Barbie Horse Adventure! Ahh, what a relief to see that one on the list as well!


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Quote: "Actualy Jeku, not that i'm disagreeing with you but from what i hear it's not a matter of processor incompatibility, it's graphics incompatibility ever since they switched to ATI from Nvidia."


All I know is there isn't a fast way to convert little-endian to big-endian code--- it's not just a matter of recompiling on the target processor :-P That's why the NGC is such a pain to port Xbox games over hehe.

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Quote: "it's not just a matter of recompiling on the target processor"

unless you took the trouble of writing endian-independent code, which nobody ever bothers to. ^_^

Quote: "it's not a matter of processor incompatibility, it's graphics incompatibility ever since they switched to ATI from Nvidia"

On the PC games run equally on ATI/NVidia cards. The games don't interact with the hardware directly (at least, they shouldn`t) so the graphics most likely aren't the problem.

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no mech assault yet

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PS3 is fully backward compatable, including PS1 & PS2... and it's faster with better graphics, or so game informer claimed Sorry, but at least one Sony fanboy had to step up and say something

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Didn't you read the article where Sony said the PS3 probably won't be fully backward compatible? Sorry to burst your bubble.

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only 4 of my 19 games will work with xbox 360, oh well rollercoaster tycoon will go up in price

funny how they're only supporting top tiles by sale and most microsoft made games, but not the lesser publishers, from that list there's a few ea ones.

no counterstrike support aswell and no doom 3 there aswell

shocking.

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Quote: "aswell and no doom 3 there aswell"

i hear that the D3 Xbox version was... erm... crappy
Quote: "by sale and most microsoft made games, but not the lesser publishers, "

why would MS spend all their time writing emus for other companies? they can make their own (hopefully)

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Quote: "i hear that the D3 Xbox version was... erm... crappy"


From who? It's a great port--- there's nothing wrong with it :-P

Quote: "why would MS spend all their time writing emus for other companies? they can make their own (hopefully)"


Royalties. Microsoft still has financial interest in, say, the Burnout series on the original Xbox selling, because they make coin on every game sold for the system. To purposely hamper competitor's games would be ridiculous. I could see Sony doing it--- not Microsoft :-P

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Quote: "From who? It's a great port--- there's nothing wrong with it :-P
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my friend who loved the PC version
he said that the killed the grfx and stuff

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I found the graphics very comparable, but obviously since the Xbox is 5 years old, the graphics won't be as good as a high-end PC

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Quote: "I found the graphics very comparable, but obviously since the Xbox is 5 years old, the graphics won't be as good as a high-end PC "

yup, i figured that much

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Everywhere I look, Sony is saying that the PS3 will be fully backward-compatable and packing so much processing heat that a lot of studios who've shown loyalty to the XBox in the past might fold over to Sony. Look at the specs... PS3 beats the XBox in every way, shape, and form... let us Sony geeks have our day

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Quote: "PS3 will be fully backward-compatable"

Just like the PS2 was "fully backward-compatible"?
I wonder how they're gonna run MIPS software on a PPC variant. Software emulation perhaps?

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http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

Quote: "CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. "




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I love it how everyone sees it as black or white, no grey, no colors, just 1 or 0.

The gamecube is good for the 10-20 games I own for it. The Xbox is good for the 5-10 good games for it I've played (of ~30), the PS2 is good for the few games i've played (FF series, and a few others), the SNES is good for the 20+ games I have for it, the Sega Gen is good for all the sonic games and a few other random games, the NES is good for it's games, the Atari is good for it's games, the dreamcast is good for emulating all the classics

Are any of them the *BEST*? no.

is the Gamecube better than the NES? look at the specs, it MUST be better, when you break down the numbers, the Gamecube has more power than the NES.

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Quote: "Look at the specs... PS3 beats the XBox in every way, shape, and form... "


Please outline all the advantages the PS3 has over the Xbox--- I'd be interested to see it I'm not picking on the Sony fanboys--- I just don't like it when people say things that are completely subjective.

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Quote: "I just don't like it when people say things that are completely subjective."


I agree... Come on, the PS3 crashed when they were showing it, and there's not even one single gameplay footage yet... All they could do was to put some pre-rendered stuff from Killzone up on the web. At least wait until things are official before coming with stupid comments about how the PS3 is gonna "pwn Xboxorz!!!11"....


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Are any of them the *BEST*? no.
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Of course not, you didn't take the Dreamcast into consideration. It's teh *BEST*.

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sorry, letme fix taht....

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REALLY sorry to drag up an older thread but the Dreamcast is not just good for emulating (in fact the xbox can emulate even more systems and games) BUT the dc also has many AAA games which stand up to the best of this generation....

"Look at the specs... PS3 beats the XBox in every way, shape, and form... "

Um yes, I am looking. In what way is the PS3 better? On Paper the xbox360 outperforms it quite substantially from what I can see - but in the real world I reckon they'll be about equal and it'll be down to the skill of the developers as to which games are the more impressive...
The only advantage of the PS3 so far is it supports 1080p whereas the xbox will only support 1080i - personally I don't care about that though as TV, dvds, and my TV will happily run 720p and the higher res won't be practical until quite far ahead into the future...

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Dreamcast not good for emulating??? It runs the Gameboy Color, NES, SNES emulators well! Never tried the Bleemcast, but it supposedly ran some PS1 games. Plus the old consoles I won't dare touch (spectrum I think, atari, etc.)


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The trouble with Emulators for dreamcast is the lack of internal ram, games over 7mb won't run on it - for exmple you can get MAME & Neogeo emus but can't run games like Marvel Vs Capcom, Metal Slug, King of Fighters etc.

But yes for older systems its great Its also very cool for homebrew cos you can play burned disks on any system, you don't have to chip them There are plenty of cool media players for watching divx, listenning to mp3s, plus you can make your own indie games and sell them should you feel so inclined and have the skill

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Actually Kangaroo, the prefered resolution setting for the xbox 360 is 720p, not 1080i.

From what i can tell, 720p's resolution lets the screen refresh at 60fps, while 1080i goes at 30fps... Which is apparently a noticeable difference.

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I think you replied to the wrong thread...? but yes in another thread today I mentionned that the 360 only runs in 1080i maximum and is not capable of 1080p which the ps3 is. I also mentionned that both of them (and hd tv signals) will run as 720p as standard. I would never use interlaced modes for games, as you correctly point out, these slow the fps down and additionally are actually bad for your eyes if you watch them for too long, as the brain picks up a banding effect.

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true dat, the Dreamcast's weak spot is its RAM... 16mb is just way too little.

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Actually Kangaroo, it is this thread.. on the first page, near the bottom where you said,

Quote: "The only advantage of the PS3 so far is it supports 1080p whereas the xbox will only support 1080i"


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Ah sorry Yes I can see how that looked wrong. I meant "only" as in compared to 1080i - I know that as default they will both run at 720p anyway so it actually matters none Only certain games with modes written specifically will support the higher res - but I won't ever use the "i" modes of the 360 - I'll keep it at 720p

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mmm. The xbox would be the best console for emulating games I would have thought. It has a built in hd. So any game sub-N64 runs fine on it. It also uses Directx so it would be god for homebrew. You do have to chip it but at 10€ a chipthat´s not much of a problem.
If anyone wants a Xbox 360 I´ve seen a few laying around in a store in Granada. At very least 12 they had. No one was interested in them though.

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