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Vequor
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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 18:34
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I'm wondering. Whats the difference between the trial version and the full version?

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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 18:41
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I think it's mainly the nag popup window.


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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 18:43 Edited at: 17th Nov 2005 18:47
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I'mn sure theres more then that because if the only difference was a popup window, why would they have a full version?

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No, because it's shareware. There is no "trial" persay. Ohhh, sure, they give you 30 days, but there's nothing to keep you from not paying.


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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 19:37
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It's shareware, not a trial.

If no-one buys it, they won't bother releasing future versions. And it gets rid of the annoying pop-up. Oh and it adds in the full "make self-extracting exe" support, and a few other little add-ons.

I registered my copy years ago. Seeing as I use it every single day it was a pittance of an outlay. Superb little program. Finally looks gorgeous with the Crystal theme too.

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what about WinZip? is the v10 much better than the previous versionS?

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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 20:25 Edited at: 17th Nov 2005 20:25
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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 20:45 Edited at: 17th Nov 2005 20:45
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winzip can't open rar files (At least the last time I used winzip it couldn't). Winrar can open and write both rar files and zip files.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong

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Nahhh, that's right.


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yes, i know that but that was not my question.. is the v10 compressing much better than the previous versions of winzip? i mean do i really have to download it?

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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 21:09
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no, get winrar, it's 100% better

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Lukas W
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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 21:19 Edited at: 17th Nov 2005 21:20
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i have winrar. and i dont even use winzip ...much

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Posted: 17th Nov 2005 23:29
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I don't think I've used Winzip since 1998 I've no idea if V10 has better compression, but I'd hope so - I mean, they have to update it for some reason?!

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THanks for the info guys.

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Posted: 18th Nov 2005 01:15 Edited at: 18th Nov 2005 01:16
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Quote: "Ohhh, sure, they give you 30 days, but there's nothing to keep you from not paying."

So you can use it after the trial runs out?

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Posted: 18th Nov 2005 01:20
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http://www.7-zip.org/

Does Zip, RAR, BZIP2 and the new 7z, which although a little slower and more memory hungry, is a DAMN better compressor than Zip and ever RAR! It works especially well with DBP EXE's To top it all off, its free! You can also make Self Extracting files with it for a VERY small overhead.

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Posted: 18th Nov 2005 09:40
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WinRAR handles 7zip already, and has much more powerful shell integration.

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does it? i had to download 7zip in order to open a 7z file

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Posted: 18th Nov 2005 10:13 Edited at: 18th Nov 2005 10:16
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Rich - how do you mean? The 7z I use is just as powerfull, although there are a few options you have to enable so you can press right mouse button on a folder and 7z it to a file in the name of the folder, and maybe extract 7z's into a folder of the archive name...






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7zip is great and I have used it a lot. The only downside is the long compress time. Some files take absoultely AGES to compress. If they speed it up a bit, then I would be very happy.

If I take an Access Database I use at work which is 170MB;

Winzip 9 SR1 on 'Max' takes 2:34 to create a file of 33 MB
WinRAR 3.3 on 'Best' takes 4:39 to create a file of 20 MB
7Zip 4.23 on 'Ultra' takes 12:10 to create a file of 16 MB

What IS amazing though, that if I use 7Zip and use 'Fast' setting, it only takes 35 seconds to compress the file and you get a file of 23 MB which is still miles better and faster than winzip!

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Posted: 18th Nov 2005 11:45
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Quote: "does it? i had to download 7zip in order to open a 7z file"


http://www.rarlab.com/otherfmt.htm

Works fine here on 7Zs.

Quote: "Rich - how do you mean? The 7z I use is just as powerfull, although there are a few options you have to enable so you can press right mouse button on a folder and 7z it to a file in the name of the folder, and maybe extract 7z's into a folder of the archive name..."


It's what it can do to multiple archives, at the same time, that I love. I.e. selecting a bunch of archives and unzipping them all, at once, to either one location, or their own folders. 7Z might do this, but WinRAR works perfectly for me, so there's very little point swapping to it.

At the end of the day I spend most of my time making plain vanilla ZIP files anyway (but I unpack *loads* of different formats). If I put a 7Z (or even a RAR) up on the TGC server, we'd get a flood of 'wtf is thiz?! why cant i opun it in notepad?' sort of support enquiries.

Sad, but true!

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As much as winzip is bad at compressing I still use it on lots of clients sites and the command line addon is great for doing nightly backups on remote servers.

We wanted to try winrar and 7zip to do nightly backups of databases and files on clients servers but their IT people said they could not cope and insisted we stick with zips. Oh well.

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Quote: "It's what it can do to multiple archives, at the same time, that I love. I.e. selecting a bunch of archives and unzipping them all, at once, to either one location, or their own folders."

Yep yep, same here. Quite frequently I'll download a buttproductload of samples all nicely zipped up, and all I have to do is extract to each folder, then pop all of 'em into /samples and I'm done! Instead of taking a minute going through a unzip wizard to unzip the 20 or so archives, it takes a mere 15 seconds before I'm in reason trying out my new goodies


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7z has an extract to "*\" option for extracting multiple compressed files into their own named folders.

7z is slow - but if it takes 1 minute more compression time for me and it saves 500 people even something like 10 seconds download time (and also saves me bandwidth), then (for me) its the format to use

Rich - I know what you mean about stupid people, but I think its about time we started to cull stupid people out the human race. I'm not being nasty, but a simple move like removing the warning labels off products would make the problem resolve itself!
Seriously though, we cant keep bowing in to stupid people. If they cant join the human race on the higher level that most of us have evolved to

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And in case nobody has already posted this, 7Zip does .ZIP compression as well. I never use the actual .7z because I don't trust it (due to its age), but 7zip is perfect for .RAR and .ZIP files. Old habits die hard, I guess--- haven't tried uncompressing an ARJ file yet though.

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winrar compress better than winzip, plus winrar can open a lot more formats.


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7z can open more than WinRAR (I think) and it can compress even more

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I'm backing up my files, and this is great! Thanks Nick! (I'm about to quadruple my HDD space)

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Bear in mind that if you back everything into 1 large compressed file, although you save space, you reduce the integrity of the file. 1 misplaced bit of information will not just write off one single insignificant document, it could destroy every document in that archive.

Just advising care. I wouldn't archive the entrie My Documents folder - I'd do it in segments, like "Old programs, Current projects, Holiday photos from 2002, bookmarks folder", etc, etc...

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To get slightly off topic... would it be possible to take out my old hard drive, install windows on the new one, then re-insert my old hard drive and salvage all of my files from it. If so, then that will save me loads of time...

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Yeah of course it would - I do it all the time.

7Z (or Winrar for that matter) are utterly pants back-up solutions. Try something proper instead like Acronis True Image.

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Thanks Richard! That's cool...now I just need to get the guts up to do it...
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True Image rocks!! I love the ability to do an incremental backup on a drive.
1) Do a clean install
2) Do a full backup (about 2Gb)
3) Install drivers
4) Do an incremental backup (about +100Mb)
5) Install small apps (eg WinZip, Firewall, Antivirus, Dark Basic Pro)
6) Do another incremental backsup (About +500Mb?)

That allows you to either restore to a clean install, an install with drivers or a pretty full install with drivers and apps in about 2-3 minutes!

Rich - 7z is pants for a full backup, but its great if you have a common applications folder on your driver and you want to compress the install folders to save a few megs of space.

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