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DarkBASIC Discussion / Bad news , internet is fool of db cracks

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Dodic
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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:11 Edited at: 21st Nov 2005 20:16
when i searched for dark basic on google (i was looking for some forums , games , codes , and stuff ) i saw about 40 link with CRACKS!? THAT`S Wery bad for you`r sale , i suggest you make new db versions that are resistante to cracks .

just to let you know (moderators , creators and other staff)

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:13
You're a crack.

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Dodic
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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:16
Quote: "You're a crack"



, hey ! what`s that suppost to mean !

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:21
If you invent a piece of software that cannot be cracked, contact us, we'll pay you well for it. Very well indeed.

(because we could then license it to every company in the world, as no-one has yet to solve this problem!)

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:36
If you invent a piece of software that cannot be cracked

i can`t invent something from nothing , if you mean adding protection to db , i have few ideas , if you care to listen , i`l tell you.

--------------------------------
1.solving cracks :
ofcourse no one can create UNCRACKABLE software , but you CAN wait and see , and look HOW the cracks work :
example ( i found on site , someone wrote this )

Quote: "This program writes SERIAL number into "REGCODE" key in [DarkBasicStateData] section in "win.ini" file"


could that mean something , i don`t fuly understand what darkbasicstatedata is , but i guess YOU gues DO.
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Secound part just move your security from win.ini into some other file (if you can) and , much better would be that every copy of db generates random code witch if changed (by cracks or staff) disables DB forewer , or just when start db it displays "
this is inproper version of db , nider you`r using crack , or it`s an error , please contact your dealer"


i`m afraid i can`t help you more , i`m writing securiti for my programs in darkbasic , so they cant help much.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:50
i think i will REALY try to develop some good security sistem .
but i REALY can`t help you develop one becouse i do`nt know how your work`s.


Just think how many users just download crack instead buying db?
i think probably it`s cutting more then 30% of what you earn.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:53 Edited at: 21st Nov 2005 20:54
If you're any good, hopefully you'll have enough decency to pay for the tools you're using.

If not, get the hell out of my forum!

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 20:58
Quote: "If you're any good, hopefully you'll have enough decency to pay for the tools you're using."


ofcourse , that`s not my POINT . ,

Quote: "If not, get the hell out of my forum! "
, YOUR FORUM , sence when users create FORUMS ?!

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:00 Edited at: 21st Nov 2005 21:01
thanks a lot for the usefull information dodic, here is your reward, http://www.tubgirl.com
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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:05


how can it be usefool to you ?
that page doesn`t work
p.s. if it`s virus or something...

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:18
anyway , db could realy have a bit better protection .


i thinks the gues worked wery hard and comed up with wery usefool tool , but it WOULD be WERY much usefool to make better protection sistem , and i`m offering to work on that.

is that clear?

im not talking that i`m suggesting craks or ANYTHING like that,just so you know.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:20
lern tu spel full u morahn

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Quote: "lern tu spel full u morahn"


have you spelled ONE word right ?

p.s. what can i do i`m from serbia and montenegro and i`m not perfect in english.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:27
so , yould you help me to try to make some sort of security sistem (don`t get me as just a db user , i`m maby new at db, but that doesn`t mean im NEW at programming)?

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:32 Edited at: 21st Nov 2005 21:33
It *has* a security system. There is a more advanced one in DBPro, but DBC is an end to the evolutionary line of one product.

No-one cares, that is all.

Have a niiice day.. Doodoodoo...

(Btw, Jimmy was being sarcastic... Ironically, you fell for it..)

[Edit] Also, it's 'really' with two 'l's, not one l... [/edit]

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:36
Could you create the securiti sistem in C++? That would be cool. I would start work on it now, the C++ forums will be useful, I would join them too. Now. If you ask them lots of questions, they will answer you very fast.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:42
Quote: "Could you create the securiti sistem in C++? That would be cool. I would start work on it now, the C++ forums will be useful, I would join them too. Now. If you ask them lots of questions, they will answer you very fast."


i would , becouse that is the best , but to start TGC MUST support me by giving me some informations .

p.s. you like (c++) forums , click on my web page!

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:47
p.s.
becouse i can`t make better security without knowing how this one works and some other bases of darkbasic code (egc. in withc program(language)is it made)

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:57
i started , only a few lines of code for now , becouse I REALY need some infos , becouse i cant make ULTIMATE securiti sistem and make it good at the same time , but i have an idea how , and if tgc accept my offer and send me some valiable informations , i`l begin as soon as that heppen

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 21:59
serbia the small country above iraq? or the land with the tousands of mines? dont know
anyway good luck with your software

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 22:03
Quote: "serbia the small country above iraq? or the land with the tousands of mines? dont know
anyway good luck with your software
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serbia and montenegro , was YUGOSLAVIA !
we had a sort of war in 1999

but please talk about the subject and thanks

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 22:10
ok , now if some of tgc. mods decide to send me usefull infos , please do so at : [email protected] , no [email protected] - becouse it`s out of service (temrorarily)

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Quote: "If you invent a piece of software that cannot be cracked, contact us, we'll pay you well for it. Very well indeed.

(because we could then license it to every company in the world, as no-one has yet to solve this problem!)"


I have the solution!

The best way is to make software with bad graphics, super slow, and be totally useless... that way nobody would want to crack it.
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Quote: "i started , only a few lines of code for now , becouse I REALY need some infos , becouse i cant make ULTIMATE securiti sistem and make it good at the same time , but i have an idea how , and if tgc accept my offer and send me some valiable informations , i`l begin as soon as that heppen"


I seriously doubt they'll give you that information... it could also be used for the dark side.
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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 22:45
Quote: "I seriously doubt they'll give you that information... it could also be used for the dark side. "


well , i`l see , their victory , or their loose !

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What Richard Davey said was a joke, not an invitation.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 23:13
What Richard Davey said was a joke, not an invitation.
i`we got that , but why don`t , it could be ?!

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Posted: 21st Nov 2005 23:16
Quote: "thanks a lot for the usefull information dodic, here is your reward, http://www.tubgirl.com"

Musn't that be banned from here?... or that URL is allowed? -_-'

Quote: "The best way is to make software with bad graphics, super slow, and be totally useless... that way nobody would want to crack it. "

Sadly, that's true XD

Quote: "i would , becouse that is the best , but to start TGC MUST support me by giving me some informations ."


Okay, TGC MUST give me a better comp so I can make better games, they also MUST give me a Playstation 2 because I don't have one, they also MUST pay my high school and MUST give me a gift 23rd Nov. 'cuz it's my birthday (that's the only true thing here).

...xD seriously man, I -highly- doubt TGC is gonna give that info to you, at least, THAT kind of info. Who knows (it may not be true, but let's put the case) if you're some cracker and needs that info, what better way than to disguise as the good guys? Not saying you're a cracker, nor am I, but that can be a possibility.

Not even Microsoft has been able to make a good security system for their Windows, and they're a company with 200+ professional developers, highly skilled in mostly any language you can imagine, and it's still being pirated - even BETAs... pirated, cracked, it's the same thing: stealing.

That's why demo versions exist.

I once heard a guy say (not sure if it was online or in real life, it was years ago) that he was glad he used a crack on a program to view the full features it offered and was glad he didn't wasted his money on the program, as it was crap, not very user-friendly and didn't worked on his comp xD. This can be true sometimes, some companies give your money back, others don't (some stores), but demo versions exist for the same purpose.

You can't stop piracy, you can't stop hackers, crackers, phreakers, robbers, murderers... but you can decrease them to a minimum

I'm sure if you give TGC some good code/aglorithm/application to really protect DB/DBPro against cracks (which is 99.9% unprobable, as anything can be cracked/hacked - including FBI HQs... we all have seen it happen, it has been historical -_-, been on newspapers, TVs, etc.) they would really pay you for getting it and using it, just as Richard said...good luck, heh

I'm not bashing you, I'm not flaming you, just saying that an anti-crack system doesn't exists yet, at least one that works against =any= cracking system, and that I doubt the TGC developers will give that info to you for the same reasons Grog Grueslayer and me just stated. UNLESS you're a great programmer at C++, ASM or some advanced language, you can't prove yourself to TGC worthy of that info, at least, so I think.

Of course, people who use cracks/hacks are lame. Yeah, they get the full program, but what? they don't get the pretty box, the nice shiny printed CD-ROM/DVD, full-color 200+ page manuals, extras, tech support, and all the benefits you would get if you bought it. I'm sure that someone who uses pirated software doesn't really uses it because it likes it, but because isn't accessable yet, but would be willing to pay the money for the program, if it's really worth it...

...like DB

That's it, my 2 cents ^_^

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 00:05
well, whatever , i REALY wan`t to try making something , becouse i HATE that there is about milion hacker sites with cracks ,and stuff .


I pomiss i`l try to create better protection sistem , but i`l have to work some things that aren`t alowed (just on my copy of db , i wont give it to anyone) and try to see how protection work , and try to create a sollution , IF tgc DOESN`t AGREE WITH THIS , say within 24 hours , please ?

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 00:09 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2005 00:14
Well said, DARKGuy.

I have a simple solution: A boolean database.

Simply make the full version of DB require a serial number that you must enter on TGC's website, and then have it send the info that it was registered to a database, so that the serial number will never work again.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 00:17
that`s bad , becouse that user will have to use his Serial again when he formats sistem or something , and if that serial works for him it`l work EVERYWHERE , i`m kinda thinking about that EVERY copy of db downloaded has random special password .

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Guys you can talk about this until you're blue in the face - there is NO way at all to protect software from hacking. Ok? The problem is nothing to do with the technique you use, it's to do with the fundamental way in which processors work - and for as long as they work the way they currently do, software can always be compromised, no matter who makes it (TGC, Microsoft, etc).

Dodic - I agree it's annoying to see lots of DB cracks on the Internet, but there's nothing we can do about it. So I'd suggest you just don't worry about it and try to make some games, that is what DB is for after all. And please will you stop posting messages every few seconds here, this isn't MSN - write once, wait for a reply. That's how it works.

Everyone else - Quit on bashing his English. Unless *your* Serbian is 100% fluid, don't make yourselves look as utterly ignorant as you're sounding.

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Quote: "
I have a simple solution: A boolean database.

Simply make the full version of DB require a serial number that you must enter on TGC's website, and then have it send the info that it was registered to a database, so that the serial number will never work again.
"


Well, doesn't the trial do that on DBP?
Besides, not everyone that has a computer has internet, my grandma didn't have internet for 2 years. And I know of at least 3 people in each of my classes that don't have internet. That would stop most of the hacking though.

Quote: "That's it, my 2 cents ^_^"
You bought DB for 2 cents?

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There is no way to protect software from hacking but you can
make it hackers very difficult

and Dodic please dont spam the forums. You have 5 threads on the first page!

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Quote: "Quote: "
I have a simple solution: A boolean database.

Simply make the full version of DB require a serial number that you must enter on TGC's website, and then have it send the info that it was registered to a database, so that the serial number will never work again.
"

Well, doesn't the trial do that on DBP?
Besides, not everyone that has a computer has internet, my grandma didn't have internet for 2 years. And I know of at least 3 people in each of my classes that don't have internet. That would stop most of the hacking though.


Quote: "That's it, my 2 cents ^_^"
You bought DB for 2 cents? "


But if they don't have internet, then they can't order it anyways, or even learn about it!

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 01:50
ok , your right , Richard . I would just like to help , but i realized that that`s YOUR problem - not mine , so i`l work on my game selling and copyrighting and security , and actualy do something instead of just chating here about helping you make a security sistem

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the db team did try to protect their titles.. a couple years ago they took the dbc full version ftp download off of their servers which inadvertently was a db give away due to the fact that it was compromisable, mainly due to the fact that in order to register the software all one would need to do was enter the reg. code found, besides with the boxed title where it should be, also on the internet, or through file sharing programs.. what a shame! and of course using softice or windasm to crack software by using nop commands is another route I am sure 'hackers' or 'script-kiddies' or w/e you want to call someone who luvs their computer too much could've possibly took.. but it is unadvisable to be into such dasterdly things! good luck dbc programmers (literally) lol, i luv dbc!

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Quote: "Guys you can talk about this until you're blue in the face - there is NO way at all to protect software from hacking. Ok? The problem is nothing to do with the technique you use, it's to do with the fundamental way in which processors work - and for as long as they work the way they currently do, software can always be compromised, no matter who makes it (TGC, Microsoft, etc).

Dodic - I agree it's annoying to see lots of DB cracks on the Internet, but there's nothing we can do about it. So I'd suggest you just don't worry about it and try to make some games, that is what DB is for after all. And please will you stop posting messages every few seconds here, this isn't MSN - write once, wait for a reply. That's how it works.
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That could have not been said better

I don't care if my/his Serbian/English/French/Spanish/Dutch/netspk/1337/whatever is bad, but what I can see is that this Dodic dude thinks that TGC can't stand without his awesome security knowledge -_-'... then again I'm not gonna get "/psychologist mode on" and enlarge this thread more than it already is, but that kind of attitude ticks me...bad .

Offering help isn't the same as forcing it.

Edit: Corrected a big geography typo... man I need to pay more attention to Geography's class XD

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 03:16
i know , and i have to say that about 80% cracks are for dbc and about 20% for dbpro , so good work on db pro protection gues!

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 03:23 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2005 03:23
Errr nevermind, I confused what he said, lol XD.

Yeah, DBP has few cracks online so that's a good thing - I guess the online registraton system is working cool for them

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btw: not making fun of the boy here, we all had our days as beginner programmers and we likewise may have asked such silly questions lol, but don't give up boy just know now not to make suggestions like this because as you can see other programmers get annoyed or w/e it is that they get haha. take care fellow dbc grammer'.

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i realy think they should make darkbasic 2 or something like that
. just add some more commands , maby integrate some free 3d modeler and texture editor and stuff , a add some new code possibilities , and joining bought play basic and dark basic . that would be full hit!

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i`m now making my own compiler !

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 03:43 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2005 04:35
yeah here are some good work arounds for this:

get darkmatter (it's like 30 dollars usd (us dollar) or something but it's worth it),

FREE STUFFFF BELOW

then.. (haha, I know we all detest paying for stuff but remember ppl's families are on the line.. or rather on-line haha I am so funny.. err.. lol jk..) ..get a *free* copy of magicworld (see where the benefits start coming in?)

and/or a *free* copy of matedit ([href]www.matedit.com[/href]),

and after that you can download anim8or (anim8or.com),

plantstudio (http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com),

and get a copy of lithunwrap by brad bolthouse (somewhere on the internet) all for free!!!.. gotta luv dbc.

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i think i`l made my protection (in my future games) to be like , you can`t ANYHOW upgrade demo to fool , and if you buy fool , it offers you to download it , simple inaff ?
than pirates would have to send the WHOLE game exe , as a crack or something .

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 13:49
and offcorse i love dbc , why else would i wan`t to protect it ?

and i am making a new wersion of help (with tutors integrated a few of them to every subject (2d basic , commands , ...).

and i`l make it with some cool colour sheme ( i already made a COOL one)


but i don`t think they are gonna accept it as upgrade or something , if they are , i would love to finish this INPROVED help with tutors integrared (the tutors don`t have to be mine , i`l make some , and i`l use some from this web site)


what do you think?

http://dodica.proboards75.com/index.cgi
first 20 are mods. i have 9 sofar.
DARKGuy
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 16:02
Quote: "i think i`l made my protection (in my future games) to be like , you can`t ANYHOW upgrade demo to fool , and if you buy fool , it offers you to download it , simple inaff ?
than pirates would have to send the WHOLE game exe , as a crack or something ."


Nice try, but pirates already are distributing programs that have that kind of protection all over the net... so, nice try, keep thinking xD

The Nerd
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 16:21 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2005 16:22
Quote: " lern tu spel full u morahn"

Quote: "have you spelled ONE word right ?"


Ummmmmm, I think he was joking...

[EDIT]:

Man... Just figured out that this post is 3 pages long...

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Lukas W
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 17:30
Quote: "first 20 are mods. i have 9 sofar."

lolar

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x1bwork
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2005 19:01
Dodic... wasnt it you whom posted, only a few days ago
Quote: "my darkbasic lite wont create exe files"
and now you claimto have the solution to reverse software engineering and are writing a compiler... you DO see where im going with this right?

Sorry Rich,I know you feel bad for the guy and all but he really is inviting it.

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