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Delta Games
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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 14:45
After useing Dark basic pro and other game development programs for some time now i have decided I would like to develop games for a liveing. But were to I start of were can I learn C++. I am in year 12 and will be doing my GCSEs soon. Were should I go after that advice please.

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David R
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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 15:12 Edited at: 10th Dec 2005 15:27
Quote: "I am in year 12 and will be doing my GCSEs soon. Were should I go after that advice please."


The best place for advice is usually the career's office in your school (if it has one) or possibly some kind of agency like 'connexions'. Better still, ask your parents. They tend to know quite alot about this stuff (even though they took exams that no longer exist ) As for independent gamedev;'ing, well... that's a totally different kettle of fish. You just need to play your cards right and get lucky. Get skills from certain degree's etc. is good, but not required, since you'll be 'your own boss'; whether you take those exams and courses is your own choice.

A little bit of my own advice
Take a-level subjects beyond the scope of what you simply need for a future in game dev. (for example, take courses in stuff that you need for programming, but also do a couple of unrelated things that your good at/enjoy. At least if programming fails in the long run, you'll have other career options later on)

It also depends what GCSE subjects you took/are taking. Getting a job with an already existant company is a good place to set your sights on (so you can at least learn how stuff works) and alot of subjects for this require specific GCSE subjects+grades (e.g. Theatre studies for A-level requires at least a B in GCSE drama in my school etc.)

If your definately ready to get stuck in, A-level mathematics is an absolute must, apparently. Although most people I've spoken to say you should have at least an A in GCSE maths to get everything out of the course, a B will not suffice so make sure you work bloom'in hard on your maths GCSE .



EDIT: Maybe the year system at my school is different for some reason, but year 12 is lower sixth form, and we take our GCSE's in Year 11, and begin coursework in Year 10

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 16:20
I was just thinking the same thing David R, 12 years of age and taking GCSE's already o.0

Anyway good luck with your future Delta Games!

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 16:28
Quote: "12 years of age and taking GCSE's already"


Uh, did you misread something? He said he's in Year 12...

Anyway, if C++ seems too difficult and you've used VB.net then C# is the perfect thing to switch to; Same easy, non-pointer oriented stuff, but slips you into the syntax.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 17:09
Quote: "Uh, did you misread something? He said he's in Year 12..."


But still, taking GCSE's in year 12...?

12 is lower sixth form in my school, which means he'd be starting a-level stuff. Unless its just my school that's odd

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Delta Games
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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 17:26
thanks for the advice guys
to David R:
cource work in year 10!!!!!
thats early

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 17:29
When I was at school (admittedly a long time ago ) Year 10&11 were GCSEs, Year 12&13 were AS and A Levels respectively - I'm pretty sure for most of the UK thats the same...?

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 17:31 Edited at: 10th Dec 2005 17:31
Quote: "cource work in year 10!!!!!
thats early
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I was convinced every school used the same year system Where abouts in the UK are you delta, and how many years does your school cater for? (my school goes from year 7 to 13 [sixth form] and is a selective grammar school)

Quote: "Year 10&11 were GCSEs, Year 12&13 were AS and A Levels"

Exactly how my school works

Quote: "Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all."
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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 17:36 Edited at: 10th Dec 2005 17:37
Quote: "I was convinced every school used the same year system Where abouts in the UK are you delta, and how many years does your school cater for? (my school goes from year 7 to 13 [sixth form] and is a selective grammar school)"


My school doesn't have the year system, but after doing a bit of mental maths, I figured I too did GCSEs in year 11.

As for coursework, I did Biology and Geog CW in the first year of GCSES and everything else at the beginning of the second year.



As for getting into the field, if you school offers it something like AS Computing (NOT IT or ICT) would be helpful for learning coding, and then a degree at University in some computing related field would be a natural progression. The best advice I can give (I'm not career advisor though) is to go to developer's web sites and see what they want. Perhaps even email them and ask.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 19:26 Edited at: 10th Dec 2005 19:27
Quote: "As for coursework, I did Biology and Geog CW in the first year of GCSES and everything else at the beginning of the second year."


Ooh, weird sounding system that is (at least to me). Your lucky though, I have an onslaught of 2 years for all subjects, which are the following:

Personal Options (these are the one's I chose myself of course)
Drama
Art
Graphics [& design]
History

Compulsory's (sp?)
English
English Lit.
Mathematics
Biology
Chemistry
Physics
Social sciences
IT (half GCSE, compliments a-level computing in a-level)
RE (half GCSE, compliments GCSE RS)
PE (half GCSE)

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 21:18
I think in Ireland everything's shifted up/down one 'year', but I can't remember so don't hold me to that

But, yeah year 10 for GCSE...

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 23:00
Quote: "Social sciences
IT (half GCSE, compliments a-level computing in a-level)
RE (half GCSE, compliments GCSE RS)
PE (half GCSE)"


My sympathies re: social "sciences" and PE And does IT really compliment Computing? IIRC aren't they two subjects - IT is more using the programs (i.e. slacker ) and Computing the software development aspect? Was only wondering as I actually did AS computing when I was 13. It was all Pascal and stuff.

Btw, what on earth is a "half" GCSE?

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Posted: 10th Dec 2005 23:42
I see this thread has brought a flurry of memories for everyone.

As for advice, I agree with DavidR and DavedT.
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Posted: 11th Dec 2005 01:39
Year 10, year 13? Sounds like America to me. When I was a kid (2nd year to do GCSEs) you started in the 1st year when you were eleven (secondary school) and left school in the fifth year when you were 16, or the 2nd year of 6th form when you were 18.

Unless you guys went to strict military school... eh? Don't go stealing my slices of bread (or biscuits apparently) now boys.....

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Posted: 11th Dec 2005 20:21
Quote: "C# is the perfect thing to switch to; Same easy, non-pointer oriented stuff, but slips you into the syntax."


In all the game programming interviews I've had (and believe me, I've had many), they NEVER asked C# knowledge. They still require a very good grasp and understanding of C and C++.

Also, make sure you are up on your linear algebra, or at least the aspects of linear algebra that are important for game programming (i.e. dot product, cross product, how to determing length of vector, etc.).

Good luck Eventually it will all pay off--- I just got my dream game programming job and I start tomorrow, so this comes from personal experience

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Posted: 11th Dec 2005 22:58
Strange i was thinking the ame thing the other day but i read about it at school and decided to get a whole 500 page book on c++

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Posted: 12th Dec 2005 00:02
For modern game programming I'd guess that good maths and good physics are very important.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2005 23:05
Quote: "But were to I start of were can I learn C++. "


The best things to learn would be C++ and OpenGL, together they can make commercial quality games.

I have links to tutorials on both in my signature.

Make great games with C++ and OpenGL!
C++ Programming Tutorial: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
OpenGL Tutorial: http://nehe.gamedev.net/lesson.asp?index=01

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