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John H
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OK, Debating between an Intel DDR2 build, or an AMD Build...oh the decisions....Going to be using this PC for DBP Related stuff (Modelling, 2D Art and Programming of course) and I want it to handle the newer games (eg. WoW) So, here are the two builds I have picked out that fit my budget. I can add another 128bit SLI Card in the future for another 170 bucks when I want to to either one of them

I already have CD/DVD Drives and I'm keeping my HD - Just have to make sure its compatable with these Mobo's Ive picked out...if anyone wants to let me know how to do that - post

--AMD BUILD--

Case: $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133154

Mobo: $163
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131540

GFX Card: $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122208

AMD 64 Bit Processor: $120
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=550579&store=ecost&source=ECOSTPG&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=08-3925544-2&adcampaign=email,ECOSTPG

Power Supply: $94
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103924&ATT=17-103-924&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

2GB DDR RAM: 200$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145486&ATT=20-145-486&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

Grand Total: $867

--INTEL BUILD--
Case: Same as AMD Build
GFX Card: Same as AMD Build
Power Supply: Same as AMD Build

Intel 64 Bit Processor ($170)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116198

Intel Mobo $156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131536&ATT=13-131-536&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

2GB DDR2 RAM: $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145527

Grand Total: $855

So what do you guys think? I checked Corsair's website and both those bits of RAM are compatable with either graphics card (couldnt find anything else for the Intel board < $250) The processors/vid cards should be compatable as well. If I missed anything and something wont work, lemme know!

Input appreciated here guys, and please, no spam/comments such as Intel/AMD is t3h SuX!!!11 Offtopic/Comments with no logic to back them up will be deleted.

Appreciate the help!
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I'd go with the AMD build, make it an AMD 64 processor, put a couple gigs of ram in that sucker, and just keep the rest the same. But, amp out your hard drive with more space, possible 100 to 200 gigs, that is if you can, or grab the bull by the horns and amp it higher. Trust me, I built my own computer.

I think the AMD is 64, but heck, it's a fast processor.

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I used to build AMDs for other people to save money, Intel for myself because I know they're better, deep down.

I never liked AMDs benchmarking. I never felt it was so accurate. Everything in the world is Intel compatible, and AMD is like a reverse engineered Intel. I think the price sucks, but I'll pay it.


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@ Curtis
You have some points, but I found AMD 64 fast and reliable, plus, it does save as you mentioned. I guess it's whatever you like, or as my brother says, "Whatever sparks your interest"

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Good luck with this computer though, can you post how much you're willing to spend on building it?

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I like Intel....P4 has never served me bad........I just use it for different things then gaming..


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Do have to warn you on the Asus A8N SLI Deluxe, the mobo chipset fan has a reputation for failing...so you might wana consider the premium version, which uses a heatpipe with no chance of ever failing. Also, it might be wise to install 1 gig ram 1St and if you ever need more, just pop in another stick of it. Being the AMD fan that I am, I shockingly think that both solutions have a lot to offer...but the P4 will probably do a tiny bit better in the game design, but the AMD will probably do a tiny bit better in the actual testings...The P4 will prolly need a better heatsink because Intel is too lazy to be bothered with overheating...

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Quote: "Building a New Computer - Input Needed"

Yes, I agree. That is an essential part of any computer!
I would recommend some kind of keyboard/mouse combination


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I don't know much about computers, but I manage to build my own anyway.

What's the difference between an AMD Venice, and an AMD Sempron?

The price is almost doubled...

Venice = £100
Sempron = £50

But they both seem to be the same speed.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2005 13:51 Edited at: 12th Dec 2005 13:52
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it is like comparing a round ball with a squared cube.
the venice will roll while the sempron stops.

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John, I'm going to suggest to you what Mike suggested to me back when I asked for assistance in choosing the parts for my computer if you're doing an AMD Build.

Go for the Dual Core.

And, just a heads up, but the AMD Processor you chose seems to have been deactivated by Newegg.

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Quote: "Building a New Computer - Input Needed!"


In my (rather limited) experience, a keyboard & mouse should do just the trick.

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OK Fixed a couple things. Changed the AMD Processor link, much cheaper. Also changed the Mobo to the premium A8N-SLI for only $5 more. I need to check tonight to make sure my CD/DVD drives and my HD are compatable with these Mobos. Anyone know how to do that?

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AMD! (and i hate caps lock)

Are you about to rock?

Then [b]I SALUTE YOU!!!
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I recently got the AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+ and it is SWEET. For most tasks, its not much faster than any other processor (how quick do you want Firefox to be?!) but when you get into apps that multithread, it flies! It also idles VERY cool indeed, about 30C in a warmish room with the stock heatsink (which has heatpipes in it!).

Seriously recommend AMD. I used to use Intel when AMD were considered the cheap option - but AMD are becoming very serious competitors and the X2's are excelent in terms of bang-per-buck

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Yeah I'd love to go x2 but the pricetag is a bit steep for me


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I think I have derived my final build....changed to a 256mb card for $30 more so I'll be able to go for duel in the future, and upgraded to the premium version of the mobo for $5 more. Here is tbe build....

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RPGamer's New Computer

Case: $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133154

Mobo: $163
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131540

GFX Card: $205
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130258

AMD 64 Bit Processor: $120
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=550579&store=ecost&source=ECOSTPG&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=08-3925544-2&adcampaign=email,ECOSTPG

Power Supply: $94
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103924&ATT=17-103-924&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

2GB DDR RAM: 200$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145486&ATT=20-145-486&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r

Sound: Pfft...onboard Realtek card FTW
Hard-Drive: My 120gig HD
CD: My 52x HP CD/RW Combo
DVD: My HP DVD Drive

Grand Total: $897

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If anyone would like to take the time to double check everything to make sure it should work, I'd really appreciate it. Ive checked it at least 10 times myself and with multiple other sources that have built plenty of computers themselves and they all say it should work wonderfully, but one more eye never hurts!

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Why not get a cheaper case and upgrade some of the other components?

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I have the AN8 Premium - its a DAMN good board. One hint - do NOT use the onboard hardware firewall. I did for about 10 minutes. Its the best security you'll ever have because anything you download is instantly corrupted! Apart from that, its sweet It can even tell you how long the ethernet cable plugged in is to the nearest 0.5m (I assume its 0.5... it says mine is 20.5m long which is about right as I bought a 100m reel and used about 1/5th of it!) - a little gimmicky, but I think it shows quality. It even has a heatpipe solution for the northbridge using the draft from the CPU heatsink to cool a radiator for the heatpipe!

As for getting a cheap case - dont!! Getting a decent case was the most sensible investment I made during my upgrade. Not only does it look better, it is easier to work with (the entire mothboard tray + PCI slots come out of the case so I can assemble nearly everything outside the confines of the case), and its generally much better thought out that cheap cases. I have the Lian Li PC65 with a window. I also went for a 600W PSU with removable cables. This means I only have as many molex's as I need and no spare messy cables

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I agree with the 'no cheap case' standpoint. It looks cool, yeah, but it will also help a lot with ease of assembly (this IS my first) and this case seems to be pretty cool (as in, temperature wise) which is good for my rather warm build. The PSU has had only good things said about it, and it seems to perform much higher then any other 480W would.


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i think your overeastimating your pc`s heat :p


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The athlon 64's run really quite cool, in fact, my X2 4400+ runs cooling that my P3 1Ghz did!!! However, you are correct in stating that the case can have a huge effect on cooling. Alliminium cases are meant to be the best as they can dissepate the heat more efficiently than steal with the added bonus of weighing MUCH less!

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My Gramps manufactures liquid cooled cases.
I never have to worry about my computer over heating.
Although it does look like a fridge

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Should be assemblin this baby right after Christmas. Thanks guys


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@Bush Baby - I had water cooling. It was crap! Lol. It held the CPU at a higher temperature than the stock heatsink. It was louder due to two large 120mm fans rather than about 3 small 80mm. It was heavier (by about 4kg) due to water + radiator + large eHeim pump. It always had the inherant warry in me than it would spring a leak and pee water everywhere. In fact, it did that once - but more of a drip overnight that soaked the carpet!

I was so happy when I moved back to traditional cooling

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I assure you , my Grandfather's version is better?





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I think Intel is better, you can get by without a heatsink on the processor, it runs much colder. If you do get a AMD, then get a thermal hood(can't remeber site) so all the heat goes directly out of the computer, instaed of inside your case, then out og the computer.(it's about $5.00, and can save you hundereds of dollars)

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Quote: " I think Intel is better, you can get by without a heatsink on the processor, it runs much colder."


Hate to break it to you, but that was true about 5 years ago. From what I've heard and read, Intels now burn like the sun!! AMD's not only run cooler, I THINK they use less power now, dont they?


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*Checks NewEgg stats* Nick is right, Intel's do run hotter then the sun, and they do use more power then AMD The computer geek looks like he needs to do some research in order to keep his title Only joking of course...


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@Bush Baby - I had water cooling. It was crap! Lol. It held the CPU at a higher temperature than the stock heatsink. It was louder due to two large 120mm fans rather than about 3 small 80mm. It was heavier (by about 4kg) due to water + radiator + large eHeim pump. It always had the inherant warry in me than it would spring a leak and pee water everywhere. In fact, it did that once - but more of a drip overnight that soaked the carpet!
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You either had the worst water cooling known to man or you assembled it poorly - it sounds like a really bad connenection to the processor with the heat plate. I trust you remembered to scrape off the old thermal paste from the cpu before applying etc?

My friend had his water cooled machine over here and he had the coolest pc (again, tempreture wise >> of all of us, whilst overclocked. It also really wasnt loud at all, I happily slept whilst it was running without any complaint. For added cool (this time lookswise xD) factor we put just a tiny tiny drop of green food colouring into the water resoviour and it instantly shot down the tube like some effect in a squaresoft CG scene and from that point on he had neon green water in his water cooling and i have to admit, it looked sweet

Now hes gone mad on his pc cooling though. Its his new hobby. Currently hes welding two full tower cases together to hold his latest project which involves compressors and stuff (it basically IS a fridge, litrally). Its obviously not traditional home-user stuff, but its just his hobby and its pretty cool (har)

you can check out his project, which will eventually be vapor phase cooled, here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82667
waiting for some of the other parts to arrive in the post atm. All im saying is next time he comes over he wont be able to fit that thing in my room xD


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It was assembled fine. I'm sure it was. I never did figure out why it was so poor at cooling. The heatsink sat fine on the processor and I was using Artic Silver 5. It did hold is steady, the temp only ever rose by about 4 degree's. Its possible the thermal sensor on the mobo was innacurate. All I know is that it ran cooler when I bolted a lump of copper with a fan back onto it.


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