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Geek Culture / yet another DirectX release - DirectX SDK December 2005

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IanG
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Posted: 17th Dec 2005 14:23
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M$ has released a new version of the sdk two months after the last update, apart from small updates here and there and some new / updated tech articles the main difference is "Direct3D 10 December 2005 Tech Preview" which will only run on a graphics crad which has a windows vista device driver, which none of them do yet, so m$ has wrote "A software fallback (the Direct3D 10 Reference Rasterizer)" which will probably run slower than a snail in super glue

The readme http://msdn.microsoft.com/directx/sdk/readmepage/default.aspx

the sdk download
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7D29004E-7A8D-4F0A-B199-6A740D8F27BB&displaylang=en


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blanky
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Posted: 17th Dec 2005 15:31
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Oh, great. Just as I've finished downloading the October SDK...

Still... W00t! DX10! *runs*

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IanG
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Posted: 17th Dec 2005 16:36
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don't get too carried away - it is only the preview

i'm currently installing it, it takes a long time to, well i did have to uninstall the old october one, i think m$ should make it more like the tin says "update" make it so we can double click it and sit back with out the jigory pokery that we have to do


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Darkbasic MADPSP
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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 18:48
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Where is dx 10? i searched and can't find it

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IanG
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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 19:47
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scroll down the page http://msdn.microsoft.com/directx/sdk/readmepage/default.aspx

it's not the full version of dx10 as dx10 can only work on vista(the new version of windows before you ask)with the right drivers but is added to this release as a preview so people can get ready for it


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David R
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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 20:03 Edited at: 20th Dec 2005 20:03
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ignore. I asked a very foolish question here

Quote: "Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all."
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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 20:12
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ican't use dx10 then i'm stuck with xp (My pc won't run vista)

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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 20:18
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Only releasing DX 10 for Vista is a very foolish move. Most people will still be running XP and 2000 in a years time, so what's the point in developers supporting it?

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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 20:33
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I agree killswitch

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Posted: 20th Dec 2005 21:03
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dx10 is a complete rewrite and is based on many vista ideas - ie the graphics card being classed as a shared device, which in xp it isn't, so it wouldn't be possible to run dx10 on a pre-vista machine, its not them being foolish, its just the fact it couldn't be done in xp


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Ian T
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Quote: "Only releasing DX 10 for Vista is a very foolish move. Most people will still be running XP and 2000 in a years time, so what's the point in developers supporting it?"


Because there will be a large Vista market and Microsoft will pressure them too. Never mind the fact that they can't afford to let Microsoft's own fairly large game studios be the only games to work on Vista - that would be giving MS a further advantage. They're cornering developers who in turn will eventually corner customers to move to Vista; that's how they dominated the market in the first place, pressing their advantage.


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And so bill gates pondered..he was a business genius forever more. Until He dies of course.

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Bill Gates will never die. He will transfer his brain onto a computer. That computer will be running on Linux; he doesn't want it to crash.
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Oh yes! Windows crashes every second for me! Thats why these crash era jokes are bad lay-ons from the ME era. Its over now. XP doesnt crash. I havent crashed, unless I was running a horrible written application, or you obviously have been naughty, and have a virus!

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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 07:32 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 07:33
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one think i think is really funny, how much people complain about DX updates... freaking woopty doo.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING IT! WOW, gasp, lets all WHINE about SUPPORT

anywho... interesting, i'll have to check it OUT

and this is funny too:
Quote: "Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003; Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1; Windows Server 2003, Datacenter x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003, Enterprise x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows Small Business Server 2003 ; Windows XP; Windows XP 64-bit; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition"


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Quote: "Oh yes! Windows crashes every second for me! Thats why these crash era jokes are bad lay-ons from the ME era. Its over now. XP doesnt crash. I havent crashed, unless I was running a horrible written application, or you obviously have been naughty, and have a virus!"


Just a joke. I actually have never had any OS related crashes on my system.
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I think that moving to dx10 when many people dont even have dx 9.0c yet is a stupid move and will greatly reduce the customer base. additionally, isnt the idea of an operating system to run smoothly and efficiently with even very average specs? why should i need a gigabyte of ram to run windoze? what happened to the good ol' days when people were restricted to 200K om memory and they had to plan and plot on how they were going to use it most economically?

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Quote: "Oh yes! Windows crashes every second for me! Thats why these crash era jokes are bad lay-ons from the ME era. Its over now. XP doesnt crash. I havent crashed, unless I was running a horrible written application, or you obviously have been naughty, and have a virus!"


Well, IE is a horribly written program (doesn't even work on my laptop), but what about PowerDVD? Or the fact that explorer.exe crashes every time I look at a folder containing an XviD encoded video? Windows will never be crash proof, but this is still just silly (And don't say "reformat it", because I've tried). Windows XP is almost uncrashable if you don't install any software

Quote: "WOW, gasp, lets all WHINE about SUPPORT"


They've removed DirectDraw. I lost what little faith I had for Microshaft when they got rid of DD in DX9. How will I make my 320x240x8 games now?



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What is the laptop spec? Because I never have those issues. IE sucks. It is a horrible app, that though it should be supported by web developers, should be fazed out. I have lots of software on my pc. Runs fine, never lose data.

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Quote: "They've removed DirectDraw. I lost what little faith I had for Microshaft when they got rid of DD in DX9. How will I make my 320x240x8 games now?"

yeah, but moved all the support to the D3D library, so it's all 3d accelerated, times have changed, move with it.

Quote: "I think that moving to dx10 when many people dont even have dx 9.0c yet is a stupid move and will greatly reduce the customer base."

and I think a company with more money than they can think of, will rather listen to their paid marketers, etc, rather than some dork on some forums.
If anyone plays the newer games that USE dx10, they will HAVE it, as MOST professionally released games have a DX installer with it (that is, if it uses DX )
By now, if someone doesn't have DX9, it's most likely they really don't care, nor do they need it.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 19:17
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hear hear


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The reason (imho) DirectDraw was ridden of is because our graphics cards only accelerate 3D; as stupid as it is, everything done to do with 2D must be done in software, by the CPU.

Believe me, it is now faster to use textured plains on a half-decent computer than a couple of surfaces in DirectDraw.

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