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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Dear GameCreators,..

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David Gervais
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 16:24
Dear GamneCreators,

I am not impressed at how these forums are curently set up. It can take several hours between posts simply due to the 'waiting to be approved' time factor. which means that I can get at best 2 or 3 answers per day.

I am a Professional Artist working in the gaming industry, I bought DBPro to play around with programming and see if I have any talent in that area. It seems that My money is good enough for you, but all my forum postings need to be 'approved' before they get posted which is a major pain in the butt. Do you need references? My Current 'Job' Is working for Malfador Machinations on Space Empires 5, I have done work in the past for Such Companies as LucasArts, SSI, Mindscape and Strategy First to name a few.

As an owner of DarkBasicProfessional I should be given full access to the forums. (As should all other new owners) This 'Needs to be Approved' delay on the forums is very unprofessional. If someone is on file with all personel info for billing/shipping and has Purchased your products for god's sake grant them full access. If they abuse the forum, THEN, put them/us on probation and filter the posts.

It feels too much like newcommers to DarkBasic Professional are being 'Punished' for their purchase.

This is bad Policy, pure and simple.

Thank you for your time and alowing me to vent.

Have a great day, Cheers!

David E. Gervais
John Y
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 16:28 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 16:29
The answer is simple, this forum used to get a lot of spam from people signing up and then posting 10+ threads a day. This system alows the moderators to stem the flow, and also puts potential spammers off.

As TGC products are sold through a variety of outlets it is impossible to offer a 'because you own DBP you can skip the approval system'.

Be patient, wait a little longer and you can post as much as you want.

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 16:29 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 16:30
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@David Gervais -
I disagree. It allows TGC to filter new users a bit, and keeps people that have been banned from creating a new account and immediately posting.

I think that if you had e-mailed TGC support they would have helped you directly, rather than attempting to deal with it here.

Welcome to the forums. I think that you'll find everyone here very receptive to and very helpful toward new members trying to learn DBP, including TGC.

David Gervais
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 16:38
I understand there are 'reasons' for the approval process, I just think that there should be a better way for giving access. And since to make the purchase (regardless of where) all the relevant personal info is on file. Sure when 'anybody' and 'everybody' visits the site and create a forum account you have no way of knowing if they are spammers or not. But registered owners are a different thing. I'm not saying I'm special, I'm saying ALL owners of DBPro should be given free access (without filtering) to the forums. If that means having a 'alternate registration link' for registered users then that might be the best option.

But, as an Old wise man once said,.. What you cannot change you must endure.

Feel free to delete this thread if you wish. (I'll work on my patience)

Cheers!
Van B
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 16:42 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 16:43
There was a time before the approval system when people would troll here, posting all sorts of offensive material, we know it's a pain, but it's definately necessary and it's definately helped keep the trolls at bay.

We can't filter out those who have bought DBPro, most of the spammers we have own TGC software!


Van-B

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John Y
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 16:42 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 16:43
Quote: "I'm saying ALL owners of DBPro should be given free access (without filtering) to the forums"


From the banned list I would guess that 90+% of banned users own DarkBasic or other TGC products, so unfortunately that is not the answer. Usually people buy DarkBasic Professional thinking that making games is going to be a walk in the park, then they get frustrated and go on to annoy other users.

BatVink
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 17:20 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 17:31
To put it in a positive perspective...there was a time when the talented, skilled and helpful oldbies just stopped coming here. The forums were full of trash, trolls, and downright offensive material. There was no reason to hang around, as the value of the forums was seriously diluted.

Although it's a pain for your first handful of posts, it is actually of benefit to you and everyone else to make sure the quality keeps people here.

It also encourages new people to use the search facility first to find answers to questions. 90% of questions asked in relation to getting started with DB Pro have been asked many times before.

Welcome, and good luck with your projects!

David Gervais
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 17:24
Well, from my lurking here, I'm sure I will like this place and DBPro. I plan on getting 3d Action Reducer for xmas and perhaps another goodie or two.

I have very little spare time so when I see it wasting away it tends to irk me off. But as I said, I undestand the need/reason for the policy.

lol, another thing that bugs me is IRC lurkers. Why log into an IRC if you are not available to chat? lol kind of odd behaviour if you ask me.

Like I said, feel free to remove this thread if you wish.

Cheers!
Richard Davey
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 17:36
Quote: "'m saying ALL owners of DBPro should be given free access (without filtering) to the forums."


I did consider this when coding them, but it would throw up as many complaints as it would resolve I'm afraid - for example we can only track people who bought from our site, which would negate all of the shops and other sites out there selling our software. There would be no way to identify an Amazon customer for example. Strangely enough, Amazon don't give us access to their customer database

Yes it's a pain, but it doesn't last long - the post count required before approval is lifted is really quite low (you could count it on your fingers), and the time it lasts for is an equally low number of days. Seriously, this time next week you'll have forgotten about it.

Cheers,

Rich

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 18:19
Quote: "What you cannot change you must endure."


Nice quote Think I'll nab that for my signature

@Rich: Nice avatar Can we all use a PHP based avater? Because that would ROCK

I'm smiling too much...

@Ricky: Everyone had the same treatment and the same complaint. It is an unfortunate world we live in where the majority have to live by rules set to control the minority, but its unavoidable. Everywhere there is an idiot, there are 100 genuinely helpfull and nice people suffering because of that person... such is life!

Richard Davey
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 18:22
Quote: "Can we all use a PHP based avater? Because that would ROCK"


Sure, anyone can do it. Just set the path to your php script as your avatar.

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BatVink
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 18:41
Quote: "Just set the path to your php script as your avatar"


Of course, if some nice person was to reveal what was in av.php to us PHP novices

Despite having view access to the directory, you can't actually grab av.php

Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 18:43 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 18:44
My Signature uses PHP - I'll email you the code if you like. You'll need a server with PHP and GD2 I think...

EDIT: In fact, I'm such a gentleman.. Here it is


Sorry for hijacking your thread

David Gervais
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 18:45
Speaking of avatars,.. I'm known as the 'Avatar King' on an 'other forum.. Why you ask? well.. I made a few...

http://seiv.pbw.cc/theavataremporium.htm

If you use any, all I ask is that you offload the pic to host on your own or through some such place as the imageshack.

Cheers!
BatVink
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 21:47 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 21:47
Quote: "I'm known as the 'Avatar King' on an 'other forum.. Why you ask? well.. I made a few"


I'm guessing you realised in the early '70s that one day computers would be a household item, and that we would be chatting across the globe using an electronic form of the common cork notice board. In preparation, you started making small, postage-stamp sized images in the hope that one day people would come to use tham as identification against their notices. 3 decades later, your site is the result.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 21:51
i dont think my posts were ever mitigated.

JerBil
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 22:03
David, you can learn a lot from just reading posts,
and the restrictions don't last long.

-JerBil

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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 22:04
blimey! I take it Dave had a few minutes spare one day , I don`t think I ever created that much artwork in my whole life, certainly not to that standard, despite my best efforts and several "how to draw" books I still can`t draw a stick man in proportion, weird realy, I can see in my mind what I want to draw, the shading..everything, but I can`t even draw mickey mouse (I learnt to do a almost recognisable version once, but I have forgotten how)



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David Gervais
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 22:30
Yes, I can and am learning alot by browsing these forums. Like I said, I think I'm gonna like it here.

Cheers!

P.S. those avatars were made over a long year over at the shrapnelgames forums (in the space empires section) It's an interesting adventure to read through my old avatar thread. It's called the House of 1001+ Avatars. I'd get you the link, but I'm feeling lazy right now lol
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 22:56
Welcome aboard David!

Yeah the post lockout thingy sucks (although I dont think any of us old timers ever had to go through it :p ). Anyway it will be over soon.

Just thought id also mention, when I first started with all 'this' I thought I would be really good with the artwork/modeling, and suck at the programming. Turned out to be the exact opposite. Although hope that doesnt happen to you, sounds like you have some talent as a artist ehe.

All you need is zeal
David Gervais
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Posted: 21st Dec 2005 23:53 Edited at: 21st Dec 2005 23:54
/me jumps for joy,.. I'm now an instant poster,.. this thread is now obsolete.

I should have practiced a little more patience, sorry for the rant,.. now jump over to my "Artist looking for programming help" thread and join me in bringing a simple RPG to life.

I want to get my feet wet, but would not mind some 'guidance' from any willing veterans.

I don't plan on selling this game, so I might as well, make my project a beneficial one for the DBPro community.

Thanks for listening, Cheers!
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2005 00:05
Quote: " /me jumps for joy,.. I'm now an instant poster,.. this thread is now obsolete."

Now don't do anything naughty like selling little kids booze or drugs, or the mods are entitled to put it on again I know I tried giving some lil kids herion, man were the police concerned, what you mean THAT was another forum hehe oops....

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120...
Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2005 00:09 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2005 00:11
If you wanna learn DBP, I personally think the challenges thread is a good place to start. There is a wealth of free code which has many ways of achieving similar goals. The current challenge is a racing game and so far there has been quite a few different perspectives on it [shameless plug over]

I'm just about to get TextWrangler for my iBook and play with avatars in bed... Might take a look at the ones you have done for inspiration

EDIT: Dear lord man - those are plain awesome!! No wonder that page took a while to load...

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2005 02:43 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2005 02:50
There's a 2 hour approval thingy? I didn't know that. Is that for new threads? Or on replying to threads...?

Being from north america...I know for a fact that people in canada and the united states need to get out of the habbit of "the customer is always right" and "i demand" and "that's not acceptable"...because for the most part they're not always right, they demand way too much, and nothings ever acceptable. You can't please all of the people all of the time. It's a fact of life that the north american consumer simply doesn't seem to grasp.

Alot of companies now are banning people from their stores, and refusing service because of bad bahavior on the part of the customer. It's about time...



@batvink
Quote: "3 decades later, your site is the result"

LOL!

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