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Geek Culture / MPA Petition. Start Signing

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Terabyte
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2005 23:13 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2005 23:22
I know this isn't related to directly gaming, but non the less I felt the need to post this here as I know for a fact there are some talented musicians amongst this community.

Take a look at this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm

and if you still give a dam.. (the important bit)
can as many of you as possible sign up to the following petition please.
Quote: "We the Undersigned hereby formally petition the Music Publishers' Association (MPA) of the United States of America on behalf of musicians across the globe regarding the MPA's decision to take legal action against guitar, bass, and other tablature and musical interpretation websites. We believe that interpretation of copyrighted musical scores does not constitute copyright infringement as the interpretations are the sole property of the interpretor. Furthermore, we believe that the ability of any musician with access to the Internet to view and download these interpretations is essential to the vitality of the music industry as well as paramount to the spirit of the music itself. On these grounds we urge the MPA to reconsider its decision to take legal action against websites hosting the aforementioned interpretations.

"


located at http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition.html


Try not to mention any tab sites that you may know in the comment section.. do not double sign up or spam.. this is a serious matter that affects every musician across the world.

Even if you're not a musician yourself.. just think about your mate across the road who plays guitar or whatever.. then click the link.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition.html

Thanks

Dark Days Software
The dude guy
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 01:18
I signed the petition, I get tabs online and I think it only should be illegal if copied onto the internet FROM the maker of the tab or lyrics without permission.

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JoelJ
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 01:26
problem is this:
Quote: "We believe that interpretation of copyrighted musical scores does not constitute copyright infringement"

it doesn't matter what "we" believe, it matters what the law believes

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Les Horribres
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 02:45
Or more so, how the law is INTERPRETED.

And I don't think this is as serious as you are making it. It only means you can't rip off the scores, which is what you do when you download them for free, or buy from a person who does not have a RIGHT to sell the score. Seriously, this is piracy, and this movement will be brought down in court. People can still sell interpretations, they just need permission to.

Merranvo, The Cool One

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Terabyte
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 03:33 Edited at: 23rd Dec 2005 03:37
Merranvo
This affects interpretations on the sites. (That's all the songs)
The interpretations aren't being sold at all on the site.
The interpretations have never been sold on the site.
They intend to close down web sites which allow users to submit their interpretation for people to freely read.

Yes selling off copies of the official score or redistributing the official score is illigal.. but cutting off interpretations is just well.. in some ways... a cut down of free speech

The reality is that the official scores (taking bohemian rhapsody as an example) lack alot of detail.. alot of detail which tabbers put right.
Of course they have the right to sell their score.. and if people really want the official accurate thing they'll buy it.. but otherwise get off our interpretations..

By the way..
This affects lyrics too.
So you listen to a song.. you want to know the lyrics? forget lyrics sites

& thanks The dude guy

Dark Days Software
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 04:04
I think it should be illegal if they are downloading the scores that are direct copies of the original. If someone interprets it by ear, then there is nothing being done that infringes on someone's copyrights. There are too many legal issues with this though, and therefore I'm not sure if it would go through anyway.

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Les Horribres
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 04:14 Edited at: 23rd Dec 2005 04:15
Musical scores aren't the same as Lyrics, but it will go there eventually. And I didn't only mean selling, but it appears that the law only deals with unoffical interps, meaning that if you have a license to make the scores (paid probally), that you wouldn't be affected.

But if I understand correctly, I could "edit" a few things in the score, and it wouldn't be the original score. This is what they are trying to fix. The law has already been passed on that, it deals mainly with "similar sounds" but it includes similar writting, and similar scores if nessecary. They only started enforcing the score aspect, so this fight is a little late.

This really isn't against the first ammendment because no matter what key the melody is, how much you change it, as long as you can still make out the same melody it is the same melody (according to law). And as I tryied to imply before, as long has the person has legal Permission, they can distribute the scores as they like.

Next you know, people will be complaining that the music companys won't let them sell their own versions of popular songs (which is illigal under the same law). Just trying to set a few things strait.

Merranvo, The Cool One

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dark coder
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 04:20
i dont see a problem with normal people viewing lyrics so they know the words to the songs or want to play a peice on there guitar or something, but playing music to a public audience ie a cover song i think shouldent be allowed, or other bands doing cover versions as they should make there own music, but most albums come with a lyrics sheet so i dont see what all the fuss is about.


Megaton Cat
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 04:31
I don't see what the problem is. Even if they are banned, people will pirate them anyway.


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Les Horribres
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 04:45
So there is no point to this petition. They can't stop people from pirating music. What difference would it be from pirating Scores?

Merranvo, The Cool One

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Dave J
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 04:47
Petition's never change anything. This one will be no different, you're wasting your time.


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Benjamin
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 06:00
Quote: "I think it should be illegal if they are downloading the scores that are direct copies of the original. If someone interprets it by ear, then there is nothing being done that infringes on someone's copyrights."

That's how I feel.

Quote: " Petition's never change anything. This one will be no different, you're wasting your time."

That be fighting talk!

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SirFire
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 11:31
This is ridiculous. Next thing you know they will be trying to sue people for singing along with their favorite songs.

Oh wait, they already did that. (people who work in restaurants can't sing "Happy Birthday" anymore)

IanG
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2005 12:34
well happy birthday is a copyrighted song lol

copyright has gone too far, it is starting to be a right big pain


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