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ThinkDigital
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Okay, so I'm standing there, I've got my crosshairs on the battle droid, and then... the computer freezes, and when it comes out of it, I'm dead.

I'm playing Battlefront II, and that happens all the time despite the fact that I have 1GB of RAM, which is about 4 times as much as is required. Why is this happening? I've got other programs using up RAM, of course, but I also have a pretty big paging file. Is there any way to make it so that the game can use a liberal amount of my system's RAM so that my computer doesn't freeze right in the middle of something?

any help would be appreciated


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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 23:28
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Swap does nothing. Just don't run all the other programs at once.

As many people know, everytime you go to swap memory, your computer slows down to the speed your HD can read and write. + the fact that other programs are already reading and writing to your HD.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 23:32
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I'm not running anything other than battlefront. I have processes running in the background that are using up memory.


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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 23:33 Edited at: 26th Dec 2005 23:35
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Doesn't sound like a RAM problem. Does this happen in other games? Does the HD led blink while it's frozen?

If you have windows XP, try running the game in windowed mode, and in the background have the task manager open. That way you know what's causing the freeze.

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Are you playing online or standalone ? If its standalone, NFS:MW does the same - I believe it happens at really complicated times, where there is a lot of light calculations to do, and, whilst I haven't tested it yet, the answer would be to reduce one or more of the settings.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 01:41
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Standalone. And It doesn't freeze all that often, it's usually that the fps seems to go down quite a bit, come to think of it.

I'll try turning down the settings some more.


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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 02:22
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It's not Ram, it's probably your Graphic card. Also, make sure that your CD rom isn't connected to your hard drive cable. Cd should be in a seperate slot on the motherboard.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 02:41
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I've got a Radeon 9800 Pro. And I'll check the cable.


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Maybe something's overheating? I've had something similar happen when I decided to overclock my video card too much. A lot of things can cause this.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 10:20
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i've got a 9800 pro, it runs VERY hot, log the temperature of it (if you have a thermometer, or stick ur hand on it. if its a lot hotter than when just running windows (and i mean like 2x hotter) then its probably heat..

to solve it on my i cleaning the fan and heatpasted it

might be something else tho

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I had two 9800pros fail, one was definitley a burn out, they get realy hot when running, I spent £15 on a huge Artic gpu cooler with variable speed fan, it kept the last card going for about year with no problems before that too failed, went back to Nvidia cards after that, I have never had an Nvidia card overheat, with the ATI cards sometimes they cause a severe system error when they fail, I didn`t like that at all, thats what made me decide to go back to Nvidia.

ps..where he said stick your hand on the heatsink...on mine you could burn your fingers , they just fit these realy puny cast heatsinks about the size of the clear area in the middle of a CD, wtf?, they must know they get realy hot when running!, why not fit bigger heatsinks?



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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 11:45
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Pull off the case and point a powerful desk fan at the graphics card, keep that running while you're playing the game and if it doesn't freeze then the card probably is overheating. At that point you may want to invest in a new card or some nice cooling technology.


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It's likley your vid card. I've had 4 9800pros and every one of them ran so hot (even on my liquid cooling) they burned out in less than a year. Though check your drivers.. you may want to roll back to 5.2 catalyst because they've been having a lot of trouble with the newest drivers (lots and lots and lots of trouble) which is what made me decide to go back to Nvidia, got myself a BFG GeForce 7800 GTX OC PCI Express 512MB DDR3 Video Card w/HDTV, Dual DVI & VIVO *grin*

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 16:18
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Couldn't it also be how big his video card is?
Like mine is a 64mb Geforce MX 420.
Mine can't handle barely any games, and even less because of the lack of pixel shader support.
When I play Star Wars Galaxies, I often lag a ton, then I must wait until the latency clears up. This is soley due to the size of my video card, because like him I have 1gb of ram.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 17:31 Edited at: 27th Dec 2005 17:32
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no a 9800pro is far better than a 420mx and should run the game easily, as long as the settings aren't maxxed out.

I think the problems are most likely due to overheating as other people pointed out, they are very hot cards. Try reducing the settings of the game to the very lowest and see if it still happens. Look at where your card is in your pc and if there are cards directly above and below it - ideally it needs some space. It should have a little onboard fan on the card, make sure that this is sinning - if it isn't you may have to connect a little power cord to one of the pc power cable thingies, many radeons have these. If it is spinning, try removing the card and cleaning the fan from dust, as the more it buiilds on the fan the less gooid it'll do as the dust will heat up very quickly.


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I have a 9800pro and i have had no problems with heat or videogame lockups...

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 19:42 Edited at: 27th Dec 2005 19:43
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YET!

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Posted: 28th Dec 2005 01:22 Edited at: 28th Dec 2005 01:33
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The card's fan is running, and the card's got quite a bit of space around it. Y'all could right; I've got real problems with my Pentium 4 overheating. Temps for the 9800:

Now (running Firefox): about 36 degrees Celsius

I'll edit in a sec after I run Battlefront.

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My, this is interesting. I took off the cover and it got to about 42 Celsius right? Not too bad. But I played it with the cover off it and it didn't slow down or lock up at all, and that's with the effects set pretty high and tons of things happening at once. I've got a case designed for cooling; it's got a screen in the front so that it can suck air in all over the front and blow it out the back, so I think you might be right in saying that maybe it isn't so much that the card is overheating as that the cooling system in the case is a piece of junk.


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Posted: 28th Dec 2005 02:17 Edited at: 28th Dec 2005 02:17
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Oh. Then I put the cover on and it started to slow down again. Bingo.


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I seriously think commercial PC manufacturers are retarded or something, I only own one PC that had overheating problems (and it has a fancy "airXL cooling system ), thats the commercialy built one, all my others are self built with plenty of case space and plenty of cooling, never had a problem with any of em, so next time I replace my PC am gonna make my own.



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Posted: 28th Dec 2005 19:28 Edited at: 28th Dec 2005 19:29
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Sleek and Sexay, That is what they want.
Big and Functunal, Who needs THAT?

And this only comfirms what I said in a laptop thread sometime ago, Buying overpowered laptops that don't even meet the cooling requirements that desktops have will result in system failure.

This is probally why the 360 is crap, Microsoft was SOO bent on the shape, they didn't care enough to make the thing work right, probally remove some hardware just to keep it Sleek.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 01:11
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Guys, I made my computer

Hey, I got Battlefront to run by using the overclocking feature to speed up the fan.


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my 9800se runs great with the nice big passive cooler i bought for it but even that got a bit too warm with the stock hs+f.
my pc even runs ok withought the northbridge fan though and it doesn't have a proper heatsink (sortof flat metal disk with a fan on it that i removed because it stopped working) so i think i must have my case airflow sorted out pretty well.

get a few case fans and screw them on the back above the gfc sucking air out, and get some cool air being blown in the bottom of the front or the side case pannel.

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