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The CodeSmith
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Posted: 4th Jan 2006 02:48
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Quote: "Who knows - we'll see how Vista pans out first, but it wouldn't surprise me if this time next year I'm announcing the first betas of a completely new Vista product based on the DB range."


Now what exactly does that mean? Does that mean that we are gonna have to spend more money on a brand new product, or is it just a new version of DBP?

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Posted: 4th Jan 2006 02:54 Edited at: 5th Jan 2006 02:52
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I'd imagine it would be a completely new product, but I wouldn't jump to any conclusions yet. Although TGC like to plan around 2-3 years into the future, nothing can really be set in stone until they actually get their hands on Vista and see how it works.


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Posted: 4th Jan 2006 03:14
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Quote: "Does that mean that we are gonna have to spend more money on a brand new product"


No. I'm sure if TGC releases a product based on vista they will still be a lot of people coding in DBP amd DBC. Just like there are a lot of people still using DBC now even though pro is available.

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I know people would still code with DBP but it seems to me that instead of coming out with a bunch of new products, DarkGame SDK and FPSC, they should put their efforts into perfecting the product that most people buy from them (DBP). Seems like they have kind of given up on it...

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If a company keeps upgrading a product for free, they will ultimately have to give up on it due to lack of cash. One of the reasons I picked DB over Blitz was that I could see that the product was being actively maintained, which is unusual. Pick another product in the same price bracket and see how many free upgrades it has got.

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Posted: 4th Jan 2006 09:05
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Quote: "Seems like they have kind of given up on it..."

that's why we just had an update three weeks ago.

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Posted: 4th Jan 2006 11:04
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This is being discussed here:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=68653&b=2

I'm not posting into both threads

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I'm not sure why a lot of people are surprised at saying "I'm going to have to pay for a new version!?". DBPro was first released in 2002. By the time Rich said he might be announcing public betas for teh new version it would be 2007, a whole 5 years! I know in other product ranges people woudl be crying out for an update if it had been 5 years since the last version...

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Posted: 4th Jan 2006 11:30
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True but alot of products don't stay messed up this long. Or at best don't get worse in areas that used to work well. There has been plenty of time to iron out the bugs in DBP, but most of it was used to add new features instead of fixing broken ones. In any case, I am waiting to see how they handle DBP and FPSC upgrades before I buy anything else from TGC (with the exception of your scripting pack and texture max possibly because they are not actually from TGC). If DBP and FPSC gets to a solid state I will buy the new versions, if not then oh well. I have already bought almost everything they sell anyway, I have tried to support them all I could. I hope the next upgrade fixes alot of the bugs posted in the bug boards, including all the ones added in the last upgrade.

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Quote: "they should put their efforts into perfecting the product that most people buy from them (DBP)"

I believe they've sold far more copies of T3GM than of DBP or DBC. And it won't take too long till FPSC overtakes it.


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T3GM and FPSC both sell better than DBP AFAIK. And David's right, it's been five years. They've supported DBP longer (if not as well, I have to say) than anyone could reasonably request, and at the point it's at right now, it's fairly stable and quite full-featured, and as has been proven many times, a solid tool for developing a game with. As long as they leave it at a stable 6.x release, I can't imagine there'd be anything to complain about.


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Posted: 5th Jan 2006 02:54
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Quote: "I'm not posting into both threads"


You just did!


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All I expect from TGC is that they fix the bugs with all the commands that were advertised when I bought DBP.

http://darkbasicpro.thegamecreators.com/?f=commands

And continue to fix new bugs found as long as they are selling DBP. If you are going to sell a product then you should support it. If you are not going to support it then don't sell it. I do not consider support as adding new features but fixing bugs in current features. I don't care if they sell each and every new feature they come up with for DBP. If they keep DBP updated bug wise, I'll buy every one of them. I can't get over why the few remaining bugs in DBC have not been fixed. It probably wouldn't take but one update and 1 week or so. It is astounding to me how much more stable DBC is than DBP though, maybe it's a good thing they aren't updating it and possibly breaking more stuff.

DBP really is a powerful and easy to use language. It just needs stabilizing a bit for the features it already has. Look at the bug board and you'll see what I mean. Assuming U6.0 fixes all the bugs in the bug board without breaking more stuff, I do not see anything majorly wrong with DBP after that.

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Posted: 5th Jan 2006 03:46 Edited at: 5th Jan 2006 03:53
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I agree with Lost in Thought about nothing being majorly wrong with DBP, but as he said, nobody wants to use software that is no longer supported. If something is broken THEN FIX IT!!! As of now I can't possibly understand all of what DBP is capable of, but I would still like it to be as close to bug free as they can get it.

Also, if TGC does come out with a brand new DB, will it use the same syntax as DBP, or at least be similar enough so it would be like the jump from DBC to Pro? I don't want to have to learn another language because of a new product.

This doesn't mean I'm not excited for this new product, it will be great if it can do what DBP does, but better, and bug free...

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Posted: 5th Jan 2006 04:38 Edited at: 5th Jan 2006 04:39
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There are very few products that have constant updates, what is the complaint? DBP has under gone 6 major transitons (Given they use the version info corectly). These are free updates you recived, granted some of them weren't as good as others, often breaking things while fixing others, but none the less, the TGC Team put time and money into fixing software that was already sold.
They even provide this forum, granted it is a marketing tool, but it is still generous.
Now you are complaining, of forking over a little money to pay for the new version of DarkBasic? Come on, for 5 years TGC has been at the downfall with the updates, the least you can do is buy the new version.

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Once they fix the stuff in this version I will gladly buy the next as I have said. Since I have been following the updates of DBP, it seems the majority of their time has been spent on other products (which no doubtedly caused some DBP fixs and breaks) while spending on average 1 week every 6 months or so on bug weeks for DBP. I do not expect DBP to be DirectX 10 compatible nor did I ever expect it to be kept up with the latest additions to DirectX 9. All I am saying is that if they don't honor the commands promised in this version, why should I trust them with the next version and spend my money on it. It is not like they haven't made much money off me. I would estimate I have spent $1000 US on products from them in the last 2 years. And if they start updating their products with some sort of systematic approach (I don't really care about a time scale just a clear plan), I will spend even more.

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@ Merranvo
Free updates are to be expected for a product that someone has paid for. Its not like I'm asking for something that is out of the ordinary, most, if not all other software companies do (don't take the word all too literally). Of course I appreciate the updates, but it seems like if TGC REALLY wanted to fix DBP, they could. I'm not mad at them for a good product as you seem to think I am.

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Quote: "There are very few products that have constant updates, what is the complaint? DBP has under gone 6 major transitons"

and the brilliance comes out...
it's actually version 1.5.9 right now, not 5.9 so technically, they haven't gone through ONE major trasition (besides the initial release

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Quote: "nobody wants to use software that is no longer supported"


TGC isn't a massive company. They can't afford to keep on a support team for DBPro, like MS for for Win2K (developmental that is, like when they issued that patch last year, I know MS are ceasing 2K customer support soon).

DBPro will never be perfect. If they just keep trying to perfect it and don't move on it would be financial suicide!

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