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Nunez12
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I'm in eithth grade and i've always wanted to do this kind of thing. Do you think that the math in it is to hard for me, should i wait till i get older?
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Grog Grueslayer
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No. A lot of us started programming when we were a lot younger... like 8 year old or younger.


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Epimetheus
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I started when I was 11, and now I'm 16 and a pretty good expert at it, you usually can't go from newbie to expert in c++ within 5 years, so yeah go for it and keep at it.
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Zedane
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Basic Algebra and Trig is good to have. DB takes allot of the math away from you though, its more inginuity. The skill is to take the commands that you know and come up with a way to make your program work. I have seen allot of posts saying "how do i do this", or "where do i start". But with DBP all of the commands (atleast those needed for someone starting out), can be found in the index, and all you have to do is clikc on their (very informative) names to get their info. You just need to think about how to use it in clever ways.

Your definatly not too young, Just use the index on the help file, and the search on these forums and you will be fine. If you really need help make a post and SHOW YOUR WORK, and I (and many others) would be glad to try and help you out.


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I agree. Nunez12, you are definately no too young. I started in the 6th grade, and I'm actually a half decent programmer now. The way I see it is: the sooner, the better.

Good luck coding.

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Yes, you are not too young, but you should at least be able to grasp simple algebra first. I'm in 7th grade, and I am pretty decent. Look at the game I just finished. I started a year ago. But instead of just jumping into Dark Basic, I think you should have some experience with coding, like Klik n' Play or The Games Factory by Clickteam. You can creat objects in the editor, and then you can script them with a simple script. This is how I started. I started with QBasic after that, and then after I could make a simple RPG, I started Dark Basic. I remembered I tried to do Dark Basic before I did Klik n' Play, and I thought it was too hard (I was in late 5th grade then). But I tried a year later, after I did QBasic and I got good at the Games Factory, I tried it again, and it was alot easier!


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I started programming when i was about 7 years old, and have programmed on and off since, allthough i'm not hardcore i have learnt a few skillz during my time programming. more importantly though it makes you appreciate the games that you play on your pc and games machines.
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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 16:04
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As long as you take your time, you should pick it up quite quickly. There's lots of really helpful people here who don't just trounce newbie threads, this is the place to learn.

One thing that I noticed though, is that learning to program really helped me learn Algebra and Geometry - I understood Algebra before I knew what it was .


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_REalUnReal_ - Yes, about a year ago, I never had a single thought of how they make the 3D games I played, but now, I think about that every time a play a game.


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I started programming when I was 11 and well... now I'm... the same

Although, on Feb. 11th you'll see me post about my new project and you'll see how much one can learn in less than a year in DB. But, my advice, if you haven't bought DBC yet, then get DBPro. Its way better. (In my opinion)
Also, I am writing these tutorials for beginners, have a look:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=64198&b=7
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Uh-huh, but don't use it as an excuse to try and get people to do stuff or explain away lack of coding ability. Try your best and you'll go far ^_^

(Try out the tutorials in the 'Newcomers Corner'... You'll learn a lot. If you start out low (with the "really easy" stuff) you'll learn the same as if you started out big only you'll actually end up with a couple of finished games by the end of it, rather than a hundred unfinished ones. )

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i have started when i was 11, i started with making 2d games using game maker and after a year i started searching for programing languages. i tried out blitzbasic but it was too hard for me then a year later i found darkbasic and started programing

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i started c++ in 7th grade and ditched it because doing anything besides stuff in the console was really hard, but then i found DB and found that after i got the concept of 3d it was obnoxiously easy so yeah, go for it and move on to something like torque or 3impact asap so you don't get too used to it (it makes ya lazy).

good luck and don't give up if you get to a hard part. we've a great community here so use it (to a certain extent)

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Shadowed Lightning
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I started programming in 5th-6th grade, I can't remember, I still suck at it because I have put no effort into it, but thats because I've been dreaming to big and haven't had my head in the game. Its really easy to catch on to DarkBASIC because its such a simple language, I'm programming an RTS now and I've actaully only programmed a total of maybe a year. (Programming on common basis) I was worried about math too because I was only in pre-algebra when I started, but trsut me, it doesnt take alot of math to start off, and It will help you in math if you havent learned in school what you learn to do in darkbasic with math. Like using things like atan and sin and cos and such, I still don't know much about those, but I know alot more than I did when i started, and I havent even gotten to them in math yet.

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heh. wait till you get into geometry.

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Shadowed Lightning
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I've done geometry already 0_o
or at least we are 4/5 of the way through book, approaching the infamous trigonometric ratios themselves, I could just look ahead, but why the hell would i do that. lol. I'm in a class of 4 kids too, so its actually a fun class because theres only 4 of us and we are all good friends too.

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Posted: 26th Jan 2006 16:04 Edited at: 26th Jan 2006 16:05
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I'm in Grade 9, I started when I was in around oh Grade 8. You'll be an expert in DarkBASIC in oh 2 to 3 years?

Math isn't hard there's not much math in their. I pretty much suck at math.

Programming is fun with DarkBASIC!
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Zotoaster
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Actually, there's quite alot of maths involved, but that doesn't mean you have to be an expert, just some basic algebra and some trig is very useful to have

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i started when i was 7. you just need to focus, i'm 10 now and starting on my compiler.
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I started programming when I was 9, with Visual Basic and Java. I would recommend learning to program now; the younger you are, the easier it is to understand. Go slowly, though. If you want to be a serious programmer, you can't just rush to making a huge game. You have to learn how the code works. DarkBasic might not be the best language to start with, since it does require advanced maths.
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I wouldn't count on advanced maths, more so, intermediate

I started 7 months ago back in June 19th, or 20th, sometime in mid June.
You can make a website in notepad. You can do it easier in Dreamweaver

You can make a game in C++. You can do it easier in Dark Basic.

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Quote: "You can make a website in notepad. You can do it easier in Dreamweaver

You can make a game in C++. You can do it easier in Dark Basic."


true, but you can't learn how to use notepad in Dreamweaver, and you can't learn C++ in DarkBasic. Anyway, that said, it depends on what he plans to learn. DarkBasic requires "intermediate" math skills, but so does any 3D gaming language, and as you said, DarkBasic is much easier than other 3D languages (which is why I use it). I'm not discouraging DarkBasic, just starting with 3D programming. If he just wants to quickly learn to make 3D games, DarkBasic is a great choice. However, I found it easier to learn 2D programming first, like VB and Java, and to later move up to 3D programming. That way I only had to learn the 3D programming in DarkBasic instead of everything at once. DarkBasic can be an overwhelming language if you don't know the basics of programming. Also, DarkBasic isn't very good for making applications, since it specializes in making games, so again it all depends on what he wants to make.
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yeap.

the guy said he was "to young", lol give him a break. i doubt he can afford dreamweaver

oh, and:

you can make a game in C++. you can do it dumber in darkbasic. you can do it easier in MediaBASIC.
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Nunez12 you remind of a younger less ugly version of me.(no offense). I started programming when I was in grade 8 using dark basic. At first it was very over whelming but you get used to it after a while and once you can program in one language it is very easy to learn other languages.

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yes, buy DB doesnt count as a language, it counts as a couple sloppily programmed string messes.

load object "object.x",1

seriously people...
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Quote: "DB doesnt count as a language, it counts as a couple sloppily programmed string messes."

well, then why do you use DB?
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because i'm making my own programming language and its all i have till i get it up and running.
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Grog Grueslayer
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Quote: "yes, buy DB doesnt count as a language, it counts as a couple sloppily programmed string messes.

load object "object.x",1

seriously people..."


You sure are starting off on the right foot there.


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i think i've avoided 'n00b spammer' so far, by helping 3/4 of the time.
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Quote: "You can make a website in notepad. You can do it easier in Dreamweaver

You can make a game in C++. You can do it easier in Dark Basic."


I don't think you can compare DreamWeaver with DarkBasic. (Which I both have).

DreamWeaver is an utility to help people making less mistakes in the famous HTML syntax(or JavaScript, PHP, ASP, etc.)

DB is a language on its own.

It's the programmer's life:
Have a problem, solve the problem, and have a new problem to solve.
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I Started programing when i was 8 , in microsoft acsess . five years later(B'day today ), i know dbc, Blitz3D,HTML,Jscript and VB. i'm learning C++. My advice is to start out slow with pong or something. I know that's what everyone tells you, but i really wish i had done that in the begining . Because, now instead of programing the next Quake , I'm going back to the start just to get good experience. About the math, really you don't need to know much, except very basic addition, subtraction, and muiltiplacation. Heck, you don't even need to know your Muiltiplaction table. (i didn't untill just recently )

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Everyone will think that this is bad advice but i started out with what i thought was going to be an amazing james bond game everyone said i would fail and to start out with something small. So i workred on this Big project and in this project i learnt everything i know about darkbasic realy becuase you go threw evrything bullets,collision and load of stuff. Unfortunatley this project did not continue becuase it turned out to be more of a learning process than anything.Along time after that at the moment i am working on game which i have propaly planned out and is going greght at the moment anyway. Sorry for long message.
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I started when I was about 7 with HTML, then moved on to VisualBASIC. After having made probably 50 or so useless programs which did nothing but took a while to make, I finally started wondering how I could make my own 2D game with it, so I drew up a mario sprite in MSPaint and put it on a long background. Then I made "gravity" so it could jump and stuff, but VB wasn't built for games. Then for a while I went back and fourth, trying to find something useful for 3D. Found MilkShape3D and made some crap models, but they were still 3D :[/b]D. After a bit longer I finally got the registered version and stuff, and wanted to put them into something. Then came T3DGM...after fiddling around I got tired of "kill baddies, pwn boss, find ending" so I went to TGC's main page and saw teh "Game Development" menu and b]O there's DarkBASIC. Hmm.. =.= so I tried the demo, did some stuff, and finally bought it. Now I am working on 50-some random projects which do absolutely nothing but take a while to make.

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Quote: "
Now I am working on 50-some random projects
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every day i start a new project!

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@!hi!
i have seen several people that say try a really hard project...learn loads of language and stuff and learn not to try anything too hard again then move onto easy stuff

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I started programming when I was 10 with VB. Then I went on to C++ and then DBpro when I was 11.So you are definately not to young.I have been coding in C++ and DarkBasic for about 2 or 3 years now and have learned lots of stuff along the way. Not that Im saying you will become an expert programmer over night.But my biggest recommendation is to develop a code library and have a good understanding of the language before starting something big.Then you will have an idea of what your doing,understand logic and well have some code and functions to make it happen .Good luck!
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