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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 22:54
okay i wanna star toff saying fpscreator and all that stuff are great...im still looking into buying "the 3d gamemaker" for none fps games...but heres my real question
besides anything on this site " forum.thegamecreators.com" is there any other point and click builders like fpsc..? or is it the first of its kind...
im just curious to see if i could find more engines and crap like fpsc...cause lets face it...its gotta be the start of the "nex-gen" game making...im not betraying in anyway tgc's products...im just more over curious to see if there are any others like fpsc or the 3dgamemaker...or if theyre one of a kind

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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 22:58
Coding is going to be the future:S. No click creators allowed

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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 22:59
but what about people like me..too lazy to learn coding with darkbasic and doomed to animating at a movie company?

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Darkbasic MADPSP
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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 23:02
um i'm lazy and can code

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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 23:03
stop attacking me im just a no codeing newb...lol...i was just curious if there were more...its a simple yes or no question

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Darkbasic MADPSP
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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 23:12 Edited at: 17th Jan 2006 16:41
this is db code

rem
load object "1.x", 1
do
control camera using arrowkeys 0, 1, 1
sync
loop



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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 23:14
No

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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 23:24 Edited at: 16th Jan 2006 23:25
He says he want point-and-click. He doesn't want to code, so stop telling him to. If I asked what kind of bike i should get, people aren't going to tell me to get a motorcycle instead because its faster. He's on a totally different market.

Unfortunately, i dont know any other point-and-click engines with no programming/scripting aside from the ones on this site.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2006 23:24
No of course it isn't... this is:

Make Final Fantasy (1, 0, 0)

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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 03:05
i dnot mind a little bit of code but when i bought darkbasic...pro i think...it was darkbasic for 30$ cant remember if it was pro or not...but the graphics sucked...and instantly i wanted my money back...fpsc and t3dgc looks really cool any thoughts on that

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 03:35
Bloodeath..

go to www.gamemaker.nl

Regards,
Matt

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 03:50
Coding isn't hard, it is just time consumming, and you have to make a lot of choices... But the endresult is better. Then again, if you are like me, you make an engine and then can't figure out what to do with it (okay, exageratted, but I never get the actuall "game" made)

DBMad, is "control camera using arrowkeys" really a command? Crazy, was simply using 5 varaibles and a bit of simple math really that hard?

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 09:00
dbmad have a syntax error in his code. he lied


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Van B
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 09:37
Quote: " Coding isn't hard, it is just time consumming"


No actually programming is hard, it's just that programmers don't realise it's so tough because most of us have been doing it for years. Normal brains can't code, it's a gift that some people have, just like everything else. Let's stop being so modest just to make stupider people feel comfortable, it burns me! - why can't we rub their noses in it for a change!.


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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 10:43
Van B, ouch! But then again, theres nothing like the feeling of doing something that the majority of others can't.

Bloodeath, you can always try The Games Factory (http://www.clickteam.com), it might only do 2D stuff, but for a Point + Click piece of software, it can do some alright stuff.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 10:48
i have spent all my life looking for something im good at. im not good programmer but i really enjoy it. it makes me relax. thanks to van b i will now quit. i relize i was not born to be a programmer

man i love drama


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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 14:31
I can't code, I once made a van spin on its front left tip, it was supposed to turn and drive forward.

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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 14:42
Quote: "No actually programming is hard, it's just that programmers don't realise it's so tough because most of us have been doing it for years. Normal brains can't code, it's a gift that some people have, just like everything else. Let's stop being so modest just to make stupider people feel comfortable, it burns me! - why can't we rub their noses in it for a change!.
"

comming from a mod...thats pretty screwed up dude...so i wasnt ment to a coder...i was ment to be an animator...most people dont animate for a company for 34.95 an hour so im not complaining...i was expecting a comment like that from like merranvo or whatever his name is but not from a mod...

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 15:17
Quote: "comming from a mod...thats pretty screwed up dude...so i wasnt ment to a coder...i was ment to be an animator...most people dont animate for a company for 34.95 an hour so im not complaining...i was expecting a comment like that from like merranvo or whatever his name is but not from a mod..."


There's nothing wrong with Van-B's post. It's just that most new programmers don't start off with a text adventure like we did. Sooooooooooo easy to do, even compared to Pong.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 16:42
Quote: "dbmad have a syntax error in his code. he lied "

Did i?

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 17:33
What are you people mangling on about?

All I said was that most people can't code, so coders should'nt dumb it down when discussing starting learning. I wasn't having a pop at anyone. I'm not sure where the reactions are coming from, if you quit because I said coding was difficult then really, that's pretty screwed up - leave me out of your hissing fits please.

Lukas, you clearly misinterpreted my post - you think maybe that good coders are born good? - it's always a learning experience, all I'm saying is that you have to be quite smart to learn it - it was a rebuff of the comment I quoted (anyone spot that?).

Bloodeath, you said your too lazy to learn to code, I said coding was difficult, damn you lost me there, I'm completely stumped as to how you found my post offensive. I wasn't instigating that non-coders are stupid, I was stating that nobody should go into programming expecting it to be a walk in the park.
Also be aware that discussing competing products here is against the AUP.

OMG I can't believe a mod actually just said that!!! - please remember that I only consider myself a mod when I'm approving posts and stuff, I'm an oldbie here and will continue to post my OPINION anywhere I see fit within the guidelines of the AUP.


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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 21:12
At the risk of blatant self-promotion, Quikly Games Studio Pro sounds exactly what you're looking for... ADN if you decide to learn dbpro coding in the future you'll be able to output your game to dbpro code...


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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 22:15
Quote: "i dnot mind a little bit of code but when i bought darkbasic...pro i think...it was darkbasic for 30$ cant remember if it was pro or not...but the graphics sucked...and instantly i wanted my money back..."

And who's fault is that? Not Darkbasic's. HINT HINT.
And graphics aren't everything.
Graphics are ment to accompany the game play.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 22:19
sorry van b i was only messing around. notice the 'man i love drama' at the bottom. i totally got your point in the post, and i do have learned alot during the past 4 years.


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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 23:47 Edited at: 17th Jan 2006 23:49
Kangaroo, that IS blatant self promotion :p, not that it matters, your only advertising what he wants...

Van B, I don't see what is hard about programming or if you are being sarcastic... ohh times have changed. For the most part, the amount of math you need is extensive, then of course sometimes to get things done you have to write your own algorithms (possible miss use of word), but really that isn't that hard...

looks over what he just said...

Well, America excluded, it isn't that hard.

Ohh, and DBMad, you miss-spelled camera.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 23:54
lol yeah exactly. Usually I wouldn't spam a thread but it seems the ideal solution for him lol


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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 00:00 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 00:09
Quote: "i relize i was not born to be a programmer "


Ah my exact words almost 3 years ago.

People gave me the "keep at it" advice for months, but it gets to a point where you simply realize that you weren't born to sit in front of text on a screen like this, especially for the rest of your life, let alone a coding hobby.

I agree with Van. It takes a special mind to code, and I'm finally starting to believe that "left-brain right-brain" crap, it's true. Some people get excited from looking at database code, and some fall asleep when working with vertexes and art-related work.

This thing they call "life"....it's a hard bitch.

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Quote: "....it's a hard bitch."
That sounds kinky.

I don't think coding's that hard. I mean it's just like learning a new human language, easy ,right? ...

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 01:21 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 01:22
@Bloodeath

Mate, if you are into 3D and graphic stuff, do so. The coders love a good artist and a good artist loves a good coder.

@VanB

No idea if a person is born or not to code. I know I was not born for graphics, even if I can make sketch up what I want, I need an artist to make it, but... (always a but)... I was quite a good Pascal programmer many years ago and I restarted now. Amazing how easy everything still is. So yes, some are born to do one thing, others to do another, don't see what the fuss is about, you are right! I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!

@Megaton

Yes, a huge bitch. I would personally love to simply do game design, but I can't. Fortunatelly I got away with coding and music. Still need artist and sound. But why do we keep trying to do what we were not meant to do?

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 03:35
fyi:

your: means possessive, your game, your computer, your pencil.
you're: is a conjunction meaning "you are"

You cannot say "if your here then..." this would translate into:
if that here belongs to you, then read this.

your & you're, know them and use them well.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 04:16
actually, depending on definitions, in america this popular slang has been blurred. Most American dictionaries feature your as you are, and the possessive term. American slang! And, Duuh Megaton

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 05:20
Even if that is so, when conversing with a business partner in another fluently English-speaking country, it might make one look a tad unprofessional. No matter how accepted a slang word or slight grammatical error is in one culture, other cultures may not see it in the same light.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 06:12
I dont agree with that. If they cant accept a cultural difference, then what is the point of anything? Sure, I dislike Aol chat lolz, but not enough to make someone go away, or not get a job (if he was brought up using that). Most americans actually do use your, and never have used you're in their lives. Besides, I truely think that if people care about using your instead of you're. I do agree, if it was something huge, but American English is quickly becoming the main english, because almost every other fluent english speaking nation, uses american versions of it. (Because we were cheap, and made words shorter)

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 09:49 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 09:56
'Your' is used in that context just as much as 'You're' - do a search and count how many internet sites do the exact same thing.

Like:

'If you're here' finds 272,000,000 pages
'If your here' finds 1,360,000,000 pages

that probably says more about the grammatical quality of the internet.

I think it's so common that either is acceptable.


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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 10:12 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 10:12
I had no idea bad grammer was so widespread

It just pokes me in the eye everytime I see it used that way.

Guess I should mellow out

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 14:28
Undercover Noob, I understand the American English becoming the primary one in the case of the spelling of words, like "colour" and "color" etc. but these are still two different words in meaning and spelling.

...SirFire's got the right idea though, time to just mellow out. Peace.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 14:58
Id just like to add a little bit of 2 cents here.

Firstly, I'm quite shocked that anyone would be offended if someone told them "coding is hard" - especially if someone states that they're too lazy to learn. If you're too lazy to learn how to code then either stop being lazy or stop trying to learn.

People that would most likely be good at coding are people that are extremely patient. They're people that have a knack for patience when it comes to programming the computer and receving rewards that are hardly a game at all.

When you are learning how to code if you think you're making the next best game you'll never ever ever ever make it.

It's better to be happy that you managed to work out the main loop, and managed to program a database when you're learning how to code. YEAH, it it's not much to brag about if you're playing with minor game mechanics that everyone seems to know, but you CANT make anything worth bragging about if you CANT humble yourself to make something that you would think be "stupid"

It's the case of being critically minded and expecting perfection while not knowing the beginning. You must humble yourself and just code the silliest little game mechanics before you can build a simple game that's barely worth bragging about.

Coding takes a lot of patience, and I think that's what seperates "natural coders" from "learned coders"

The natural coder is someone who naturally has a lot of patience with computers.

The learned coder is someone who finally learns that being impatient with the computer takes up way more time then actually practicing patience.

I speak from experience as I am a learned coder. But I'm very happy with my current coding skills, although they're still subpar in comparison to many people here. It doesnt matter to me because I'm in it for the long haul. If you want to make a game, either stop being lazy and work at it one tiny brick at a time or BAIL.

I hope that anyone who feels that coding is an impossible dream realizes that they just have to look at the big picture and take it one tiny step at a time. Please, just be patient and you'll get there eventually.

Regards,
Matt

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 17:44
@Some dude a few posts back:

Oh come on, what could be more fun than sitting in front of a screen of text all day... Hell, I do it every waking moment of my life I have free.

And I'm determined to make my few pages of text make prettier pictures than everybody else's, goddammit.

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From what I've figured so far, coding is 99% neural perspiration (!) & 1% inspiration. Having said that, nothing happens without that 1% of inspiration. The thought of 'hmmm... I've just learned this, so what can I with it...? Aha!'

Quote: "Van: Normal brains can't code"

Indeed, programming does require a very particular mindset. However, I believe that this can be learned. As much as programming may be a gift to some, one's mind can be trained.

Quote: "Lukas: i have spent all my life looking for something im good at. im not good programmer but i really enjoy it."


Enjoyment can equal inspiration, in this case! With enjoyment shall come improvement! Nobody has to be good at anything, to start with. Indeed, it can be beneficial to be a little bit on the not-very-good side, as one can make mistakes & learn something new from them. Hence, you'll be that bit better than you were!

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