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Flindiana Jones
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My Parents Have got DSL on their compy, and are enjoying it, but I would like to set up a wireless network so that I can enjoy it also. I have a fully functioning wireless card (it's constantly picking up the neighbors networks ) and this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IJO4/102-6819166-3380136?v=glance&n=172282
router. The only problem is, the parents computer (that has the router and DSL modem hooked up to it) won't seem to recognize that it can make a wireless network using teh router. What am I doing wrong?

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What are you actually doing though? How have you set everything up? So far the hardware I'm seeing is:
Your wireless enabled PC
Your wireless router

Your parents PC
Their DSL modem.

I'm assuming their modem is plugged straight into their compo. Is it by ethernet or USB? What have you done to connect your wireless router?

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 17:09
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You might need the password thingy, usually shown in square brackets under the routers MAC address, you would have to find the router first though in order to connect - not sure where the problem is if it won't even start - is there a setup screen through it's IP address?.

The 2Wire router we have here had to have wireless enabled before anyone could detect it.


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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 18:04
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The Modem is plugged into the router via Ethernet, and the compy is plugged into the router via ethernet. The Router has a wireless antenna, and a little light indicating wirelessness. I can't detect the router: I guess I need to somehow activate it, like you're saying Van B. Any clue as to how to do this?

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go cisco yyaaaaaaayyyyy

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Darkbasic MADPSP
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 18:59
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u need to configure it on your pc as well to the same settings

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/csimon/spain03/days2_3.htm << where i went for my holiday or www.portaventura.es
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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 21:13 Edited at: 17th Jan 2006 21:13
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...neither of those responses help.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 21:33 Edited at: 17th Jan 2006 21:33
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first problem: mircosoft router it's unknown in the wifi world

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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 22:11
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1. Make sure the router is configured for wirless access
2. Transfer the settings for wireless accesss(password etc) to your latop
3. ensure laptop is on same wireless channel as router

Part of solving the problem is actually noticing that the problem is there in the first place

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JoelJ
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Posted: 17th Jan 2006 23:59
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Quote: "first problem: mircosoft router it's unknown in the wifi world"

my neighbor (computer techy) says that the MS routers were the best until they stoped making them...

should work...

make sure the router's wireless capability is turned on, type in it's IP address into a web browser (i'm sure you already know this) and go to the wireless section

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 01:46 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 01:46
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[Error when i posted this, discard this message]


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Dot Merix
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it's ip address should be 192.168.0.1... like -most- but not all routers.


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Correction, if there is only 1 computer it will be that, but every computer that is added it incriments 1 number in the end digit. You need to directly plug into the router (Sometimes mandatory) and just check the IP number you get when you connect. That is what you type in...

Also, as long as you are etherneted you typically don't wireless. And to make it automatic you need to directly edit the settings... Double click the wireless connection icon, properties, wirless networks, and make a new one (if yours isn't already there), and set it to automatic.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 04:47
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Connect you main PC like this:
PC-->dsl modem-->router-->internet

Also, if you have a firewall, such as Zonealarm, make sure it allows connections from computers only from the computers in your network. Otherwise it will block them. I'm sure this isn't what you asked for though.


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Quote: "Correction, if there is only 1 computer it will be that, but every computer that is added it incriments 1 number in the end digit. You need to directly plug into the router (Sometimes mandatory) and just check the IP number you get when you connect. That is what you type in...
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That's not true... Any computer can access the router with that address if the computer is plugged into the router.. It increasing the last digit by one is just saying that that computer on that network is a different machine than another one, doesnt have to do with logging into the router..

On both my computers i can type in that one address, i dont have to change the last digit at all, this goes for both my linksys and my d-link routers.


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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 14:40
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How do you turn on the wireless ability? the little indicator light labeled "wireless" is on... here's what I get when I enter the IP.


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Quote: "Connect you main PC like this:
PC-->dsl modem-->router-->internet"


That should be: PC-->Router-->DSL Modem-->Internet

If your personal router is wireless enabled and you know it works with your wireless lan card, then why dont you remove your parent router from the equation? Why not connect your wireless router, that you know you can connect to, to the DSL model via the WAN port and connect your parents compy to your router. You only need one router?

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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 17:08
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Quote: "You only need one router?"
Yes. HOwever, My parents would rather not have to deal with cordness, which costs more money (we're barely scraping enough together to do this) and a lot more time and effort, especially since my dad has a wire hiding obsession. I would love to get the paretnts compy out of the equation, but they would be none to thrilled at that...

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 17:19 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 17:20
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I need to learn to type!
Quote: "You only need one router?"
shouldn't have had the "?" at the end as it was a statement! I think I misunderstood as well and thought you had two routers.

So you know you've got the wireless functionality switched on on the router? Is the router setup with DHCP? i.e. it automatically assigns the computers an IP addy? Do you have a wifi config program that you need to install on your compo? Have a look for the setup CD that would've come with the router and run it on your PC to see if it's got anything on their that'll help you. Most routers offer DHCP and have a setup CD that'll sort out your settings for you.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 18:59 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 19:02
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If you've already set up the security side of things to lock down the broadcast (just a guess), then you'll need to setup the WEP key to get into the router from your computer. n.b. You'll need to access the router's control software from a computer that's already talking to it. The router software can assign the key & you can copy this keycode into your computer.

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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 20:45
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And then the fright began...

actually, this router was given to me by a guy who is not big into giving installation disks along with the stuff. He actualy gave me my whole computer, but sometimes his lack of giving instalation CDs drives me up the wall! The problem as I see it is that my parents compy (the one with the DSL) doesn't realize that it has a router attatched. So, my parents Compy therefor does not realize that it could be a part of a network. *sighs*

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 21:11
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Indeed, setting up networks can be a pig of a job, when you've not done it before. You shouldn't need any installation disk, as such, for a router as it's mainly a network config job within Windows. I found that using the http://www.lookatlan.com freeware (on the download page) was a useful tool for seeing what's going on within the network. This should give you the IP numbers of anything that's connected, at least, even if it's not fully configured.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 21:19
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Just use your neighbor's connection, that's what I did.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 21:30 Edited at: 18th Jan 2006 21:38
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Bandwidth Hijacker!!!


I hope, for your sake, your neighbour doesn't figure out WEP encryption.



Flindiana - seriously, though, it should be just a case of finding out the router's IP & logging in. If you don't know the password, then you may be able to hit the router's reset button. (with permission!)

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Posted: 18th Jan 2006 22:14
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hmmm...well, my compy (the one with the wireless card) isn't picking up any sort of wireless signal from the router. I tried setting up a wireless network, but that didn't exactly work...

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Posted: 19th Jan 2006 01:44 Edited at: 19th Jan 2006 01:48
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Ok, so the router is physically plugged (ethernet cable) into the (parent's?) compy? If so, then get look@lan & install it on their machine to find out the router's LAN IP (192.168.x.x or similar). Once you've done that, you can type the IP into internet explorer/firefox etc., as you would any other web address. This should bring up some kind of login screen. If this doesn't work, it's likely that a firewall is blocking access, in which case, temporarily drop the firewall & try again. You may need to set access permissions on the firewall, once you enable it again. You'll need to setup the various aspects of wireless networking from the machine which is wired in to the router, or, at least, get the relevant bits of info, from the router, for you to continue the wireless network setup on your machine.

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Posted: 19th Jan 2006 03:34
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I have this hardware. Although I use it for a wireless bridge
with a dialup connection, it should be connected for broadband
like so:
Modem>Router>PC
There is a connection just above the power connector that says,"To Modem"

Here is a link to MS pdf files for the mn500 and others.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;902461

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MS makes a router?

I'm an SMC man myself.


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Listen to codelike. He knows what he's talking about.

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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 05:24
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So, I have done everything suggested. I installed Look@LAN, found the IP, put in my browser, and got this:



I hit reset on the router, and...no change. Help?

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 15:19 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 15:24
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Oops! that 68.88.x.x ip is your external IP (the one the whole world sees). You need to find your internal IP, which likely starts with 192.x.x.x format.

The first number is the most important, other possibilities are 10.x.x.x or 127.x.x.x, or, as the article points out below, 169.254.x.x for some Microsoft products.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/9834

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Flindiana Jones
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how?

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 08:58 Edited at: 31st Jan 2006 09:31
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Ok, create a new profile (in look@lan) & manually specify the scan ranges that I listed in my previous post. Replace the x's with 0 to start (the 'from IP') & 255 to end (the 'to IP'). Though using 255 as the end number could take a while to scan, you could cut this down to just the likely internal IPs. You can then start scanning your network.

Possible router default internal IPs?
10.0.0.0 to 10.0.0.1(commonly used)
127.0.0.0 to 127.0.0.1 (loopback addresses)
169.254.0.0 to 169.254.0.1 (Microsoft range)
172.16.0.0 to 172.16.0.1 (least commonly used)
192.168.0.0 to 192.168.0.1 (most commonly used)

**************EDIT**************
Got it! I should've spotted this earlier!
Get the manual on that Amazon page linked at the top.
Chapter 6 (Page 42)
192.168.2.1 (Not your usual default IP!)
This is your default internal IP after a reset.
Drop your firewall & try that in a browser on the computer that's wired into the router...


Always use the manual....!

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Flindiana Jones
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The only thing is, the manual says in order for teh compy to recognize the router, the software that came with it. So, now I guess I needs to bug the peeps who gave it to me and see if they have the CD lying around...

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so, I downloaded the broadband networking utility, and it was doing fine until it searched for the router. It couldn't find it, despite the fact that the computer was currently getting DSL through teh router. I tried connecting them with a cat 6 cable, and a cat 5e cable, with no effect. any suggestions?

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Posted: 15th Feb 2006 16:10 Edited at: 15th Feb 2006 16:12
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software just to use a router? i'd return that junk.

you might have to configure the router with your mac address from your nic.


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Follow the link in my previous post and download
the user's manual pdf file. Theres lots of good
info in there.

-JerBil

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