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re faze
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 08:11 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 08:11
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060124/NEWS03/601240329/1017/NEWS


what the hell? why not just admit that the reason drugs are illegal is because they take money away tax revenue in the first place, if everyone was up front and forthcoming we could all get on with our lives.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 08:20
The only people who seem to know that are the people who do drugs unfortunatly...

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 08:29
hey i dont uh.... what was i talking about?
just kidding, i dont do drugs nor accompany people i know to be using drugs.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 08:33
Yeah i kicked the habit a while ago...Sometimes when a social entity believes something is bad then the real reasons to remove it dont matter to them...

You have to remember the majority of people are raised anti-drugs, so why should society care why its really being attacked...

Its NOT the principal of the thing

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 09:01
I think that's a great idea As far as I'm concerned black market items should be taxed like anything else. If you're caught, pay the 14% or whatever to the people.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 09:46
If its illegal in the first place, how can you pay a tax for it. You'd think it would be a non-stop trip to jail, not pay a tax for it.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 10:18
I did my share of drups in my youth, but like most people I grew out of them.

I got myself addicted, and was useless, and then managed to come out the other side. I do think it's quite sad to see a junkie unable to do anything else but dribble and hold very limited conversation but I wouldn't want to have grown up without that part of my life, I learned alot about how low a Human can go and regard that as invaluable experience.
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 11:24
Because i can,

I as well grew out of drugs, ive done every drug group there is(not every drug though just group( cappa opioid, Opiates, cannabinoid)) and at points i was addicted to various things. Ive known a few drug dealers and have been one myself and the saddest thing is, the view that anyone that does drugs is weak or an evil criminal is far to played out, plenty of good people come home and crack open a beer...so whats to say that plenty of good people dont come home and light up a joint. There is a point when doing drugs becomes a problem, but not always is it a problem.

And for the dealers side the thing is every dealer ive ever known including myself is a drug dealer because we were screwed by the system. I had a friend whom we will call John, John was abandoned by his mother when he was 16. He was raised on the streets, got a fake ID, and got an apartment to live in. John has to pay his bills but with a fake ID you cant get a background check done so he had to find other means. He became a coke dealer and made money that way...now alot of people think cocaine is a big drug with addicts that tear families apart...there is however alot of moral code that goes along with dealing...dont deal to people with kids dont deal to people who need to have the money for other things...only deal to people you know...John was breaking the law to sell drugs...he was however selling to the people who had the money to spare on it and who knew what they were doing...

John was an artist...a good one if i do say so myself...and he ended up winning a full ride to a prestigious art school...all the while selling coke to get there...he made the money he needed to because he was screwed by the system...there are options to take in his situation but the road he took got him into a prestigious are school...he was himself a drug user...but he made it all the while...

Not all drug dealers do it to be thugs...hell my best friends mom sells dope to get him into the same prestigious art school next fall...

The problem is the system...Sometimes to do whats right you have to do whats wrong...

I do however agree with Becky, growing up with that in your life makes you stronger overall and was an invaluable experience...

Its all about flaws in teh system...

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 11:29 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 11:33
I don't think the government is exactly miffed that they're not taxing the drug market. I think it's more a case of 90% of drug users themselves can't afford the drugs, and have to steel car stereos and batter grandma for the cash. As much as I think the idea of legalisation and legislation/taxation on drugs sounds like a good idea, because they're addictive, people will still have to rough up your grandpa in order to pay for them.

Hence, all drug dealers should be executed publically with a scythe. Drug users should be left alone. When all the dealers are decapitated, they'll be right as rain.

Edit: 90% is a totally random figure to make my point and I'm refering to hardcore drug users of class A addictive substances and not coke or weed.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 11:37 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 11:47
Fallout the only problem with that is besides what ive said in my previous post: alot of users deal too...in fact 99% of users are guilty of trafficing...most people who smoke pot buy an ounce and flip the eighths...there are alot of drugs that are not physcially addicting like pot and such that are not legal...well there are places in the US where pot is legal now to some degree...stuff like methamphetamines cocaine/crack however has been known to create crazy drug fiends...

Though you're generalizing the drug users/dealers too much

Edit to Fallouts Edit: Cocaine is class a in the UK and schedule II in the US

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 11:44
Ang on....

Quote: "Under the law, drug dealers are to pay taxes to the Department of Revenue within 48 hours of acquiring an unauthorized substance and obtain a state tax stamp"


Quote: "If police catch a suspected drug dealer without the stamps, the tax is assessed, along with a fine for failure to pay the tax upfront"


Oookkkk.... so either you risk a fine on top of the going to jail bit, or you pay a bit less and in the process advertise the fact you are a drug dealer. And you go to jail sooner probably....

Quote: "Payment of the tax is to be kept confidential and the information is not to be shared with law enforcement"
Really? So the goverment know who these drug dealers are (because they paid the tax), but are essentially not going to do anything about it until they catch said drug dealer in the normal method. Nevermind about if they dealt at the local primary school (thats under 11 years old in the UK) in the meantime (while the government knew about them). Eh? Or are the government just bored, and employing some sort of handicap system to the police? Would be great for government officials in their lunchbreaks to follow how inept the police are at catching these people, and all the better knowing exactly who they are. Chortle. And they get more money. Which is the most important thing obviously.

Personally I think it's a complicated sting by the police. Any drug dealer stupid enough to apply for these tax credits goes straight to jail. And shown on that night's America's dummest criminals program. Crafty

I'm pretty bombed out today (good olde totally legal drug alcohol) so I didn't read everything. Expect mistakes...

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 11:48 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 11:51
Yeah, check my edit before you replied. I am generalising, cos I dont anticipate this will become a fully fledged drug debate, cos it's probably inappropriate.

My main point was:
Governments would like to tax drugs if they can't stop them, but the real issue with drugs is crime, so legalisation and taxation would not solve the crime aspect. Hense, we still need to eradicate drugs.

Now, I personally dont have any problems with weed. I've been there and think it's a waste of time. I think it has long term psychological effects, as well as short term problems if overused, but people won't rob the local store to get money for weed. The same goes for Coke, which I think is a rediculously overpriced, over hyped bag of crap. But if people want to waste their money on it, fair play, although public use should get people in trouble. E/acid and all those club drugs, once again, I dont have a problem with people using them, although I do think it's incredibly sad that a lot of people get to the stage they have to take them everytime they go out.

The only thing I really object to is heroin and other highly addictive drugs that force people to crime. Those dealers should be strung up, and the users should be locked away until they're clean and all the dealers are gone. I think anyone selling E or coke should be punished and jailed, but I accept they're not causing harm to society as they're not heavily contributing to drug-related crime. Pot dealers are prolific and not really much concern to anyone.

Edit: My point summarised: If you contribute to drug-related crime by dealing or commiting crime to feed your drug habbit (especially violent crime) I really think these people need to be stopped in the harshest possible way.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 11:50 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 11:53
you can only buy a rifle at the age of 18 here you have to be 21 or 25 to get handgun depending on local law...as for alcohol...its easy to get underage...i can go buy a bottle of liquer at a state liquer store right now without problem...im only 18...so i think ill go buy a rifle and some alcohol now

Edit to Fallouts Edit: i edited to your edit check my edit before you post about your edit......and yeah im with you on that...

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 12:02
Quote: "i can go buy a bottle of liquer at a state liquer store right now without problem"
Ish. Surely it depends on what sort of bible bashing backwater you live in? I've seen Footloose....

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 16:33
Quote: "I as well grew out of drugs, ive done every drug group there is(not every drug though just group( cappa opioid, Opiates, cannabinoid)) and at points i was addicted to various things. Ive known a few drug dealers and have been one myself"

... uh, yeah, I played that game narc too

I think they should legalize drugs, becuause once you are addicted, you arent using drugs because you like them, you are using drugs to maintain homeostasis, just like food or water. even more important,because you can go a few days without water and months without food, but you can only go a day or two, maybe hours before you need drugs.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 16:42
Yeah, which is exactly why drugs are illegal. If everyone were addicted to drugs society would crumble. Not only that they're increibly bad for you - dispite what people say. One bad LSD trip can destroy your mind, while prolonged cannabis use can give you pscizophrina (sp?).

Alchol and smoking are bad too, don't get me wrong.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 16:55 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 17:31
how isn't this thread locked yet?

Oh well to add my perspcetive when I was young and stupid I did every illegal drug could find except heroin, whilst also drinking rediculous ammounts of alcohol. Now my body is practically dead inside, and many of my friends are ACTUALLY dead. Sorry guys, its not worth it in the long run, I'm 24 with the general fitness of a 70 year old

That said if such things were legalised but the public well enough informed to the dangers, at least there wouldn't be as much danger of people dying through injecting cat wormer, bleach or whatever by mistake as quality could be controlled.


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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 17:22
I think I may be one of the handful who's never normally smoked or tried any drugs of any kind.

Though I can't say the same for alcohol.

I'm basiclly with the "banish the dealers" argument. They have to be stricter about this stuff when they catch people. While weed may not be very extreme and if they smoker wants to damage himself, it's his choice, but more hardcorde suff like coke/meph? Someone could really go out and kill people on that.

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Quote: " I'm 24 with the general fitness of a 7 year old "


Join the club mate! I'm 24 with the general fitness of a 70 year old. When I was 7, I think i was playing footy 24 hours a day non-stop. I used to skip lunch and not go home at weekends, cos I was too busy playing footy. haha. Now I'm wrestling with a punch bag and rowing machine to fit some lame attempt at fitness into my busy life.

As for drugs, I had one nasty hospitalization from alcohol at aged 15, which involved 3 litres of intraveinous drip in my arm, and a few nasty all night whities from copious amounts of weed. Both lessons have served me well into my adulthood. Now I'm a totally controlled drinker, and haven't drunk beyond my limits in years, and I dont touch anything else. I even quit smoking about 4 months a go. Woohoo!

We've all got a msg for the kids. Just like towely off South Park .... "drugs are baaiiiiid".

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 17:30 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 17:32
lmao I meant 70 not 7, have editted accordingly

Gotta love towelly

Megaton - I agree in theory, but what counts as a dealer? For example what if you buy some drugs and share it with a friend? Or Someone knwos you are going to buy some and gives you money to get some for them too? What happens if 10 friends ask you to do the same? Are you a deailer then? I'm far more in favour of strict punishment for "pushers" who force drugs upon people who don't specifically go up to them and ask for them. Those people are the "evil" ones


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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 18:18 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 18:22
If you get orders from your buddies, chumps, pals, homies, friends, whetever to get them any hard drug like coke/meph/heroin then you're in the same mold. What's better: Traditional dealers on the streets ruining the lives of strangers, or you ruining the lives of your friends.

(And yes, despite all the cheesy campaigns and commercials and speeches, drugs CAN ruin your life job/social/family/financial wise, forget just physically.)

If you're buying abit extra of something like weed for your freinds, then I guess it's your choice.

I'm not some dried up "concerned parent" in some "Mothers Against Drugs" etc group. I had best friends turned into sh*t wastes because of this, starting with weed and moving up the chain to hard drugs/crime/gangs/etc. After these experiances, even someone who claims to "smoke weed casually" is not someone I look well upon. Call me paranoid if you must.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 18:25 Edited at: 29th Jan 2006 18:26
"drugs CAN ruin your life job/social/family/financial wise"
Yes I totally agree - you'll notice I was specifically recommending people don't take drugs! I was just pointing out that getting something because someone who has already chosen to take it and asks you to is morally far from the same thing as trying to influence/force/pressure people to take them for your own monitary gain, yet basically the same in the eyes of the law


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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 18:40
I would say, if you dabble in drugs as a kid, then that's just the inexperience and immaturity of youth. Hopefully most will bypass it, but a whole host of kids will get stuck in. It happens, and hopefully they'll learn from it and come through it ok.

What I do think though is that as an adult, you should be able to take a step back and realise that whole game is for experimenting kids. When you get people in their late 30s early 40s still doing coke and E in the clubs, trying to keep hold of their lost youth, its sad. And weed smoking is something people may or may not go through, but adults who are still puffing into their 40s and slobbing out really need to grow up. The same goes for drunks!

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agreed


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Friend of mine a decade or so went to four funerals in a year from friends who overdosed. Good olde Aberdare. Complete s**thole, with nothing else to do but steal and do drugs. Total dispair that place.

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sounds like the area I grew up in


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Quote: "Ps. Heh, I saw this US comedian on TV the other day, saying how you couldn't drink alcohol until you were 21 (God, there goes some of my best years - wouldn't have been the same...)"


Everybody drinks before 21 anyway, trust me

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Ah, but not with the local filth. Oh no...

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Ohh, when are they just gonna legalize drugs anyways? Every time some drug story goes on the news they say the same thing "The Black Market thrives on scarcity". So, if you legalize drugs, woolah, the goverment is happy because they get the money, the police are happy because of the lower risk of crime, and the parents are happy because now they can keep track of what their kids are buying.


Problem is the ethical stand points, but if we look closely at the government, we will realise that they don't care. Look at cigaretts, the government doesn't illigalize those because they make a killer off of the sin taxes. True, people will riot the same way they did durring prohibition, rise of increased illigal activitys, because there is a massive demand for the smoke.

And even then, is it ethical to keep the crime rate up? Drug trafficing would be non-existant if people would only legalize them. And without drug trafficing, a whole chain of crime will come crashing down.

The only reason people don't do this is because of that thin thread of morality. We look at something and say "That is bad". Well life is bad. Butter is bad for your health, high fat meat may cause heart problems. And then we have Fast Food. Where is the so called morality there? The next time you are in public, cry help, and see how many people respond. Or ask the homeless how many donations they have recived. Take a look at the world around you and ask, where is this morality we have? Where are the people who care?

I'm not saying that we are all completly heartless, I am just saying that some people are manipulators of the word. There are many exceptions, just as there are many followers. The true reason that drugs are not legalized is not because of moral issues, but because of the absince of morality. A few heartless senetors that wouldn't help a beggart if it would risk their term. Or re-election.

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I haven't and am not going to drink underage. I've smelled beer, and that was THE BIGGEST TURNOFF EVER.

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We're going to pretend we didn't read that.

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It's another case of the government contradicting itself.

Just like abortion is legal but when a pregnant woman dies because of a drunk driver... the drunk driver gets convicted of 2 murders.


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I wish you flippin head jobs would get off your high horses! It's nothing to do with tax and morality. We live in a time where morality is so low that a few people injecting something in private isn't gonna bother anyone else. We still have topshelf porn mags and videos any other society embaressments. It's purely to do with drug-related crime. If people can't afford a highly addictive substance, they will commit crime to get the money to fund it. So legalising heroin is only gonna get more people hooked, more people broke, and result in more crime.

I'm not fussed if they put weed next to the Marlboro at the tabacco counter. But they can't legalise hardcore addictive drugs, and they never will.

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Quote: "I've smelled beer, and that was THE BIGGEST TURNOFF EVER"
Try alcopops then my young friend.

Gotta love how smoking ciggies, in some circles, are now looked apon worse than a lot of people look at people who take *hard* drugs. Think main reason is because it hurts other people. A lot of the same people (who complained about the smokers) then go out and get plastered on booze. Not just hurting themselves, but anyone who gets in their way. Bet there is a s**tload of decent enough people (not to mention others who got in their way) in jail or six foot under because of something really stupid they did when drunk. Carry on with that drug says the government (plus nice mega tax here). Hmmm. And more and more socially acceptable to be really off your rocker from booze. Ok.....

Don't get me wrong, I *love* alcohol (although I am pretty much myself when drunk), but I just hate the two faced hypocracy of it all. I used to be a smoker, and it is unbelievable how people treat you....

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hehe. Yeah, alcohol is responsible for more deaths than any other drug, I believe. It is a vicious drug. I do hate it when my friends used to argue that binge drinking at the weekend was less harmful than smoking. One will maintain that to this day, despite one of our mates being told to never ever drink any alcohol again, sinse his chronic pissing blood became stage 1 liver failure or something.

Smoking does harm others around you. If I'm out with a bunch of non-smokers, I generally won't smoke unless its outside or the pub atmosphere is already really smokey. I know a couple of people that look at you like you're spitting leporacy at them each time you light up, which is a bit OTT. However, I do think it's a smokers responsibility to think about the people around him.

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Quote: "Smoking does harm others around you"
I know. I never smoked in front of non-smokers, unless they were ok with it, or happened to wander into *my* space. And even then I would hold off smoking in my *own* house if I knew if someone didn't like it.

Personally I am more wound up about the way smokers are treated now that I don't smoke. Honestly I am one step from joining the picket line (mainly because I still love the smell of smoke - doubt an ex-smoker who now *really* hates the smell of smoke). At work there isn't a smoking room, and people have to smoke outside. In sub zero degree temperature! God. And then peope complain where they smoke (designated areas) because smoke hangs around the doors a little and gets in their hair. So could they smoke round the corner (in the bushes). Grief. Might as well put up some barbed wire, patrol dogs, and some blonde blue eyed man mountains to make sure no-one escapes. And yet the same company then doesn't seem to give a monkeys if someone is obviously still drunk from the day before, off sick (when they know they were on the p**s), and treating everyone like crap all around them. Two faced tosspots once again.

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"doubt an ex-smoker who now *really* hates the smell of smoke"
unless like my father they were hypnotised into giving up smoking intthe early 80s before they perfected the technique - he now is physically vomits if he stands near a smoker too long


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Must run in the family. My dad was hypnotised years ago, and basically the smell of ciggies made him sick for about a week, then he couldn't take it anymore and lit one up. Tasted bad for a little then was ok again. Ah, lovely smoke....

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Yeah. At my old job, we were also demonised and sent outside. Smoking in sub-zero temperatures was fun. We had some bizarre tiny mock up temp building that was basically a bus shelter to stand in when it was pissing it down. That was pretty bad.

You are evil if you're a smoker. Didn't you know? Anyway, I've started again recently, but only one or two a day, and then when my pack of 10 runs out, I dont buy anymore for 3 or 4 days. I'll switch it off again when all this uni work is done, but I dont know how I'll cope when I start back at work again.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:00
From what I'm reading, you people classify weed as "non-hardcore".
That may be true, but that doesn't mean it doesn't do damage.
My good friend over the summer, met some stoners, became a stoner, and he's going down hill fast.
He abandoned his family, dropped out of high school , and last I knew , he was in the hospital for being shot by his provider because he COULDN'T pay for his weed!
Oh, and did I mention, he was so addicted, he was willing to leave his family, and real friends behind? All drugs are bad no matter what form they come in.
If he recovers he will be sent to drug rehap facilities, and not to jail only because of his age. The way I see it, if he lives, he got let off easy.
Personally, I'm quite disappointed in him, as a human and a friend.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:07
It's true, weed IS a soft drug - you shouldn't worry about the way it will damage you physiclly as much as it will absolutly crush you socially.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:14
That's a whacky point of view.
I'd rather be crushed socially than phisically.
But seriously, just don't do weed in the first place.
It still does damage, mentally, physically, and socially (as megaton says).
I know it's not as horrible as Cocaine or Heroine, but it still ruined Adam's life....

p.s.
Sorry for my horrible spelling of "phisically" I know that's not right, somebody correct me.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:42 Edited at: 31st Jan 2006 01:43
Quote: "I'd rather be crushed socially than phisically."


Tell that to the people who fully severed relationship with their family, lost their job and their savings, and eliminated any sort of future they might have had, and pretty much ended up on the street resorting to crime/prostitution etc.

All I'm saying is that there's a much bigger chance you'll be affected socially from weed rather than physiclly. Sure, most people who do/did it won't surly die from lung faliure, but a good few of them I know are now in Russia working in cheap bars!

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:48
o_O
Haha I didn't look at it in that way.
I thought you meant just people not liking you, I'm used to that already, because in New York, nobody likes computer geeks.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:50
Well, all that stuff falls into the area of Sociology I assumed.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 01:58
Well I'm dumb, and know nothing about sociology.
So just ignore my arrogance.
Thanks.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 11:40
I do agree with you guys that weed is a bit of a social plague. It's a shame when people go the stoner route and become festering bags of wet lettuce, puffing away on a blimb burnt couch, mumbling like Ozzy Osbourne and drooling onto their buscuit crumb encrusted t-shirt.

I would guess though that that is the minority of smokers. Some kids go hardcore on it and some adults are literally stoners. A large amount of people do it as a casual thing though and see no ill effects. And don't forget it's thought to have medicinal benefits and supress symptoms of physical pain.

I still think it'd be better if we didn't have weed and the world was clean of it. It's just worth pointing out that a huge amount of people use it as part of their every day life and it's doesnt effect them at all.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 13:50 Edited at: 31st Jan 2006 13:52
Quote: "basically a bus shelter"
Lucky you. Come to Slough.

As to weed, in my opinion the damage described earlier is about on par with a moderate alcoholic (lots of different levels - starting with having a couple of pints a day according to my extremely alcoholics anonymous friend). Considering thats totally legal, then in my opinion it's not a hard drug. Plus legally wise the government (UK) doesn't rate it as a hard drug (at this precise moment). And you don't have most of the negative side of alcohol (abuse from drunks basically).

Sure I read something years ago saying that weed wasn't mentally or physically addictive (think cocaine is physically, and heroin is both, but bit hazy on the memory). In fact the addictiveness (and the danger - Nicotine) lay in the tobacco used to roll it (plus normally no filter - 6 times as damaging as a ciggie apparently). Although I', sure I heard something the other day claiming that might not be exactly correct.

I'm not too well today, so don't blame me for bad memory. But pretty sure what I said was what I heard at the time (about 10 years ago).

Cheers

PS. Oh yeah, that reminds me; basically years ago I watched a TV program that claimed that in Russia when they go to a doctor, or the equivelent of AA, they are advised to drink beer. Basically beer is such a childs drink that they don't even count it as alcohol (massively Vodka drinkers), and consider it an ideal way of coming down off the addiction to Vodka and harder drinks. Even if it's not true, it is still tops.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 01:44
Quote: "It's purely to do with drug-related crime."

And most drug related crime occurs to GET the drugs.

QED: If drugs were legal, the crime rate will go down.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 03:03
I agree. same with prohibition in the us. organized crime plummeted after liquor became legal , because it wasnt as lucrative afterwards because there was more supply.

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