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Geek Culture / [confirmed] crack tax is the stupidest concept ever

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Fallout
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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 15:07 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 15:08
Quote: "And most drug related crime occurs to GET the drugs"


Yeah. People need money to buy drugs. So they steal from people to get money to buy drugs. Legalising them won't solve that problem. It is true that a lot of drug money goes to organised crime though. So the only way to solve both issues is to make it incredibly difficult to buy/sell drugs illegally, and that's what the government is trying to do.

re faze
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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:29
Les Horribres
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Posted: 4th Feb 2006 00:57 Edited at: 4th Feb 2006 00:57
Quote: "Yeah. People need money to buy drugs. So they steal from people to get money to buy drugs. Legalising them won't solve that problem. It is true that a lot of drug money goes to organised crime though. So the only way to solve both issues is to make it incredibly difficult to buy/sell drugs illegally, and that's what the government is trying to do."


I hate explaining the obvious. If you legalize drugs then the drug cartel will FALL, the black market will FALL, there will be only legal distribuation of drugs at real prices.

Okay, not all legal, but you get the point.

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geecee3
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Posted: 4th Feb 2006 04:06
Telling people to stop taking drugs is like telling people to stop killing each other, it's not going to happen. Since the dawn of mankind, we have sought ever more elaborate means of 'getting wasted', and ever more elaborate ways of killing each other. That will never change, and that's a fact. We are a competing species on a dynamic planet siting pretty at the top of the food chain, but all the time we were 'getting wasted'. take a peek into the animal kngdom and watch monkeys eat strage berries and eat rotting fermenting fruit. there is nothing more natural than 'getting wasted'. When an avid runner breaks the pain barrier on his morning run and gets that rush of endorphines, he's 'getting wasted' too. When you have to get that coffee into you in the morning before you go to work, your 'getting wasted' as well. Addiction is everywhere, and drugs are everywhere. if your leaning is toward religeon and christianity in particular, The apple was eaten. Back in the days when average life expectancy was like 35 years or so, people still died of drugs, different drugs granted, but drugs non the less, drugs have always been killing people and they always will. Now lets look at cars.... Been around for less than 100 years and most likely killed more people through no fault of their own than all the drug related deaths ever, mabey not, but you'll get what i mean if your looking at the landscape the tree is on, and not the tree through a sniper scope. drugs span history, and history made us what we are, were the best nature can come up with. all the time 'getting wasted'.

I don't condone the use of any illegal substances, in fact I really don't care, It's not my place to decide what another human being be allowed to put into their bodies. it's too big an issue on too big a subject that spans too much history.

As a point, how many non-smokers own cars that pollute the air I have to breathe on a daily basis because your job or education requires it? that's a choice you have made that effects me to my detrement no matter where you live, and i don't even know you. but i'm not angry at you, it's the way it is.

just staying clear of drugs is always the safest choice. it's the choice to take drugs that can kill you in the end.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2006 11:26
I do see your points guys, but I'm still really surprised that you can't see the link between drug-addiction and theft, especially sinse its drilled into us by police spokesmen. If you don't have money to buy your drug, and you're really really addicted to it, you're going to steal to get money to buy it. That's just common sense. Hell, I'd steal to buy drugs if I was a hardcore heroin addict. I'm not gonna magic the money out of my arse.

Legalising might bring the price down, but unless it's significantly lower, you still have the same problem with people having to steal to feed their habbit. And there's the problem that many more people will now be hooked.

You need to think about the consequences of something like legalisation. I used to think legalisation was the way forward until some crackhead robbed my house and left pretty much a ton of evidence as to who it was. He didn't care cos he needed the cash to get himself jacked up and was single minded. Now, personally, I can't see that guy changing just because they're legal. If they were cheaper, maybe he'd do more and be in the same situation. Either way, I seriously doubt it'd solve anything.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2006 15:10 Edited at: 4th Feb 2006 15:10
How is "getting wasted" from natural exercise the same as "getting wasted" from man-made chemicals?

And I don't think you can just say "Fine I don't care what substances a human being puts into their bodies, let them do it" because if that human being puts crap into himself and THEN goes out and seriously hurts/kills someone, then the blame would have to be put on someone. The druggie or the people who neglected/turned a blind eye to it?

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Posted: 4th Feb 2006 17:39
Do you know how much the Black Market charges for drugs? Well I don't, but it is signifigantly more then Legal distribuation would be. Think logically, if you have to deliver a canister to someone, but you have to go accross a battle field to do so, how much will you want for that canister? Now spice it up a bit, you are the ONLY person with this canister and you can charge whatever you like, how much do you charge? What happens when you legalize something is that you have to deliver a canister, to a person down the street, and you are capped at how much you can charge. On top of that, there are nearly 30 distributers so if you charge too much, you don't get anything.

If drugs are legalized, they would be distributed though a logical system. It would be like ciggaretts, but for the maximum effect of lowering the Crime Rate, the age would be 16. Your name would also go on record, so they could force you to go to weekly drug theorpy sessions, and they can regulate your drug usage. This is to demote both excessive drug usage, and dealing.

Did you know, that over 50% of all drugs on the black market are not real? They may put a small amount of the drug in, and sometimes the inactive ingrediant can be fatal.

As for there being more pot heads, the figure would decline. With theropy and parental knowing... you can figure out the rest. On top of that, people don't not buy drugs because they are hard to get, they don't because they don't want drugs. This is one of the gayest things people say "All Teenagers are on drugs or have tried drugs", "All teens want drugs", "Drugs are for sale at all schools". I would like to kill the fag who started those rumers. Although you will never get an exact percent, the figure is much lower then 50, even 25 is too big. Not that many people are failing, and that IS a tale tell sign of drug usage.

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