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Izzy545
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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 18:08
Well, it died. I guess it was too good to be true for me to have a flawless first-run 360. It's ran perfectly fine up until a few days ago, then the dvd drive decided it didn't want to read anything anymore. Thank goodness I still have my 90 day warranty, and I would say that this merits buying a 2 year warranty at this point.

They sent me a box with first-day-air return postage via UPS. Here's hoping it comes back quickly

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 18:36
that sucks - so many people seem to have problems with them maybe I'll wait a bit longer before I buy one...


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 18:38
Wait till ps3 comes out this is the reason the ps3 isn't out yet m$ just wanted the money

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 18:51
If the PS3 is all it's cracked up to be, I'll probably be getting one of those too, but right now, the 360 rules all. Plus it'll always have one advantage for those of us with broadband or DSL... XBox Live.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 18:56
I've also had troubles with my xbox 360! And I bought it the 26th January! I can play on it... Just sometimes when I start it up, I get a system error... So on saturday, it will be delivered for reperation.

4 of my friends got one, and none of them have problems with it!

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 18:59 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 19:00
3ds Master - are you serious? You do remember the release of the first playstation and playstation 2 models don't you?

I will be buying both, and the revloution. Its a shame that sony release beta machines in essence though, the psone and pstwo are infinitely better and more reliable than the first versions, especially the first batch. The only real problem people had with the first xboxes was poor dvd drives, which are easy to manually replace. I have NEVER had a problem from a Sega or Nintendo console though (if you ignore the 32x and NES "getting dirty" issues which can be fixed by cleaning them anyway...)


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:00
Quote: "If the PS3 is all it's cracked up to be"


Um

Have you seen killzone2.com ? or vision gran turismo WOOT they look amazing!!!111!!!11

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:04
Quote: "Plus it'll always have one advantage for those of us with broadband or DSL... XBox Live."

incase you dont follow the news, ps3 will have a similar thing as the xobx live. i dont remember where i read that but i found it on google.

te ps3 live will have video conversations in game, audio chat, the meeting place like xbox live with video chat.. basically the xbox live but improved and better looks. i think

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:04 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 19:06
There hasn't been a real version of ps3 killzone yet as far as I know, they have been rendered mockups or demos running on similarly specced pcs. I'm noty angling for a fight here, as I said I will buy all consoles as I have done since the 80s. But the PS3 has some serious differences between demos people have played on the "finished" hardware and other videos and demos The exact same thing happened with the ps2 lauch, we didn't see the games reach the level of the initial tech demos and videos until it had been out for well over a year, the first games were very dissapointing compared to all the hype.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:05
i always thought the killzone 2 was just a prerender

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:07
The video most people have seen is exactly that, a rendered demo which sony say "aproximates" what they "hope" to achieve with the final hardware. Which is a shame as it looks awesome


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:08 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 19:09
Quote: " i always thought the killzone 2 was just a prerender"


Yeah... I would think that too... They don't say anything about the pictures being from in-game, but Tech-Demos, to show off the power of the ps3... So it's not the graphic from how the game will look... Renders can look much better than the actual graphic

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:08
but i bet that, in time that render is exactly what we will see in some games

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:12
Within time, yes. But there will be no xbox360 or ps3 games that will look THAT good in the next 6 month to a year I can 99% guarantee that. Ps3 playable game demos that have been released look great, but not THAT good so far, far closer to xboxb 360 current games. There will be very little difference until developers get really used to the advantages of each machine and push the limits of what they can do


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:48 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 19:49
i was playing "King Kong" on the 360 the other day (ok i'll admit it, i was at wal-mart )

anyway, it seemed like the developers just didn't know what to do with all the power, so they threw in about 30 shaders

i imagine like ya'll have been saying, that after a year or so the developers will figure out how best to use the extra power... without resorting to too many shaders...

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:50
thing is these ps3 "renders" are in all the games not just that one n search google for gran turismo ps3

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:58 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 20:02
Quote: " thing is these ps3 "renders" are in all the games not just that one"


Of course they are... Because no games are done yet... Or even made it far enough so it's worthy showing in-game screenshots... I would think that's why...

I'm not gonna beleive that the graphics are gonna be as good as the screenshots of killzone 2... They also say that's it's just tech-demos... I mean... How can the graphic be sooooo much better on the ps3 than the xbox 360, when they think it's gonna be something like the same as the xbox 360...?

Thought, I think we will see much better games(graphical) on the xbox 360, when the developers figure out how to use all the new power

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 19:59
No there is some real footage of ps3 games, just those don't look anywhere newar as cool as the renders

And yeah many games for the 360, King Kong included, are just the xbox versions in hig res with a load of shaders thrown onto them, and therefore look rubbish and messy. I bet the same will happen for a while with games coming out on ps2 and 3. Hopefully that will stop once developers stop making the older console versions and concentrate on showing what the new consoles ca really do.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:01
From what I'be seen of the 360, it's rubbish. Slowdown in Call of Duty 2!? SQUARE TUNNELS AND AWFUL PHYSICS IN SOME PAINFUL RACING GAME? What's the big deal? It's the Xbox (which was, pathetic graphically in most cases) with a HDTV port.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:03
Quote: "Slowdown in Call of Duty 2!?"


Funny you should say that... I got COD2 for the xbox 360... I've played it for many hours... NO slowdowns at all... My friends got it... And guess what... They haven't tried any slowdowns in it too...

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:05
Walk into a smoke grenade and or fire a bullet indoors, watch the FPS drop to sub-20.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:09 Edited at: 1st Feb 2006 20:15
"NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret"
sorry but thats bull, you can't rule out a system cos there are bad games for it, thats down to the skill of the developers. All consoles have really bad games, plus some good ones, thats the way it works. Infact Sony consoles have more bad games than any other consoel, becasue they sell the best, more people try to cash in by making lots of games. The PS2 and ps1 had 90% rubbish games for this reason, but that doesn't mean they can't also play some really great ones too Exactly the same thing happenned with the Atari 2600, NES, MegaDrive and Original Gameboy because they became so popular so fast, loqds of games were rushed out to make a quick buck

Call of Duty 2 works flawlessly on the 360, even with tons of particles around you, I've never seen it drop its framerate to anythinf less than accpetable. I have however seen some really bad 360 games, but thats cos of lazy/sloppy developers, not because of the machine.

Surely you are intelligient/tech savy enough to be able to look at the raw tech specs of the 360 and ps3 and see that there is actually very little difference between the top end performance of both machines, they just work on completely different technology so are better and worse than each other in some areas, which will be easy to work around for both machines. Its only blinded fanboys who will mindlessly tell you that they are drastically better/worse than each other

Trust me, neither is "better" in a clear cut sense, it'll be down to which games you want to play the most to make your choice, just like it is with the current batch of consoles, sure the xbox can out perform the ps2, but not enough to make a real difference and mean the ps2 can't have some jaw droppingly cool games if the programing team is skilled enough, and on papaer the gc looks less powerefull but w=the right developer can make it perform better than ps2 and even xbox. Its only a small percentage difference between current consoles, and it will be for the next gen too. Its all down to the skill of the development teams and which exclusive games are more to your taste, nothing more


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:14
Quote: " Walk into a smoke grenade and or fire a bullet indoors, watch the FPS drop to sub-20."


Then again... You must tell me how I can throw 3 smoke grenades at one place and storm into it and shoot without any framerate drops?



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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:26
Well, that's what the ones in game, gamestation, chips and discs and disks do... before they overheat and crash. In the UK on a cold day for goodness' sake!


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 20:53
Quote: "Walk into a smoke grenade and or fire a bullet indoors, watch the FPS drop to sub-20."


If that occurred in an Xbox game, it would be unlikely that M$ would let it ship - console games have to stand up to very high standards, and must not drop below a certain FPS during play. (e.g 60fps)

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 22:47
Machines in shops never work properly, basically because they are left running constantly, usually on their side and in a plastic box, knocked about by the public or whatever. I was trying to play "black" on the ps2 in game the other day, but after pressing start it would say "loading" and litterlly get stuck there. From that I didn't assume that black has a loading time of an hour per level, I assumed that the ps2 was ragged to f*** becasue it was a demo unit. Ditto and other game system I ever see in a shop, they are nearly always faulty after being in shop for more than a few days...

If you saw serious slow down in an in shop unit that could easily have been caused by the machine overheating or running low on ram because it had been running the demo over oand over for days straight whilst sat in a non ventilated box. It could also be skipping becasue that game constantly loads from both the dvd and hard drives, and if either of them were faulty through over usage then you'd have seen slowdowns etc. Friends of mine have that game and I've never ssen it slow down. I also haven't read of any slowdwn in that game in magazine reviews, even from usually harsh magazines


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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 23:05
Quote: "Well, it died. I guess it was too good to be true for me to have a flawless first-run 360"


That sucks hopefully your next will be a better unit.
I've had mine since nov 18 and still no problems as of yet, over the last 2 weeks ive been giving it a real work out to playing ffXI beta totaled up over 56 hours in game so far.

Quote: "Slowdown in Call of Duty 2"


Slowdown where? beat the game 3 times now and have played hours online and have yet to see lag or get dumped by the server.

I keep seeing these issues around about quake 4 as well having massive slow down, i run my 360 on a sony wega 42 inch hd 3LCD at 1080i and see only very small amounts of slow down usually in cutsceens before boss battles or when theres over 15 enemies onscreen which isn't that often really, the majority of the game runs very smooth and the online is blazing fast.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2006 23:29 Edited at: 2nd Feb 2006 16:36
Zone Chicken: Did you get your 360 from the Every10Minutes thing or whatever then? I got mine on launch night, the 22nd.

I haven't had any slowdown in singleplayer call of duty 2 whatsoever. However, the online has MAJOR issues in my opinion. 1 out of 5 games lags so horribly it's unplayable. They are supposed to be releasing a patch soon though, so that's good.

And I heard that Quake 4 is supposed to be really laggy to, but I play it on my HDTV in 720p and it only lags during a couple cutscenes, and maybe for a few seconds in some of the more action-heavy levels.

I have a feeling some of these things are just rumours people spread around to make the 360 look bad. Oh, and one of the developers for PS3, whoever is making MGS4, said that the PS3 and 360 are basically the same power-wise and that the game could run the same on either system. Like Kangaroo2 said, it's really up to what games you want to play, and the online play.

Sony isn't going to have a unified online service like XBox live, it'll be like the PS2 where it's up to the developers whether or not they want to include online. At least that's the latest I heard, but who knows?

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YEs I've heard the online versions are laggy. The single player is the only mode I've tried and its flawless. It seems unlikely that he would have been playing it online in a shop demonstration though?


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Its very poor show from Sony and ms I think. My consoles include a megadrive,snes,dreamcast,gamecube (My favourite consol ever) and I have a gbasp. In the time that I have owned my dreamcast I have been through 3 ps1's which is nothing short of pathetic since I was very careful with them all. The dc on the other hand has been to parties, ridden on the back of a high speed motorcycle, drank beer, smoked thousands of cigarettes and with a brief clean and dry out just keeps on going. Despite my love of the cube the dc is still in use as the best machine to play soul calibre 2 on, don’t understand how it could be better than the cube version but there it is.

I suppose as long as people keep buying this shoddy hardware on mass they have no real incentive to improve it. I can’t say i'm any better at resisting the lure of the marketing machine, I had a ps2 briefly, it didn’t break but I didn’t like the games all that much so it had to go. I'm gonna stick with Nintendo for the next gen; they make the kind of games I like best anyway. More gamplay less image.

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The qulity of design, hardware efficiency and output quality of the dreamcast far exceeds the quality of any other console. The Saturn, original Megadrive and Master System 1&2 is the same, I have my original 1980s master system still working perfectly to this day, and thats been taken round friends houses, bashed around by my little cousins and survived plenty of house moves, spilt drinks etc. Sega hardware is usually the best around for design and build quality - the only console of there's which doesn't last reliably is the 32x, or th game gear if you kick it about enough.


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I personally think the xbox was the best for hardware efficiency.. I've never had a problem with mine, and i got it on launch. You can pretty much chuck those things at a wall and they'll still work.. They are extremely ugly though but if you put a cardboard box on top of it it looks a little better(and before someone makes a comment, i'm just joking)


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God yeah they are ugly. I love my xbox, but they are hideous looking beasts. The crystal ones are slightly nicer, its still a horrible peice of design asthetically though. I've had 2 xboxes die on me, but in both cases it was the dvd roms. Other people have have hard drive problems. But those are both easy and quite cheap to replace, i reckon the console itslelf is pretty sturdy


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Posted: 6th Feb 2006 00:54
My 360 just killed DOA4, PDZ, and COD2 an hour ago. Now I have to send it in and get everythign fixed.

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Quote: "My 360 just killed DOA4, PDZ, and COD2 an hour ago."


That's one angry console right there. Perhaps sending it for therapy would be better.

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Yeah that didn't work out so well. The poor therapist.

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Do i am the only one to have a working Xbox 360 ?

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no mine hasent screwed up eather
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Posted: 16th Feb 2006 07:15
I got mine back and guess what?

They gave me a refurb system with XBox Live removed. D'oh!

Apparently only a small number(around 900) got these systems. That's the bad part, no XBox Live.

The good part is when they call me back because of the issue, apparently we get a free gift! Which seems to be a free wireless controller and 1 month of live from what people are getting in the XBox forums.

Here's hoping that Microsoft doesn't screw up again with the next one I get back.

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I've not had any issues with mine yet... but that said I've just bought a new one last week, cause I had to give my old one back.

I think it's more a case of too many machines needed to be shifted to meet quotas. Rather than major problems with the console itself. I'm only hearing issues from handful of people as opposed to the MAJOR issue the original 2 releases of the PS2 had.

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