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Dave J
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Posted: 8th Feb 2006 03:56
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More importantly, I'd like to know what this mythical 'energy barrier' is that apparently exists between atoms? It holds about as much water as the luminiferous aether.


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Posted: 8th Feb 2006 03:57
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It is the force skywalker!

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Posted: 8th Feb 2006 09:05
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Quote: "Chris K we must accept all theorys as fact until we have ample evidence to disprove them"


That is just stupid--- seriously. Isn't it more logical to not accept anything unless it's proven with ample evidence? You seriously believe every single hair-brained theory you read, if someone didn't disprove it with evidence? I feel sorry for you :-P

I take a "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude to most things in life.


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Posted: 8th Feb 2006 09:35 Edited at: 8th Feb 2006 09:57
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Quote: "- A surfer can ride a wave because gravity is constantly pulling them down the slope of the water. For a particle to travel on a wave like this there must be a similiar force. What is it in your case?"


All particles travel on a wave. How do you think that gravity, and magnetism work? Planets have to be created by waves. You can easily see the wave for magnetism. You're not thinking 3D. There are waves above, and below each wave, and to either side. The sea is flat because of Earth's gravity, and because it has hit a pack of denser material.

Quote: "Most of the equations explicitly state that light is a wave!
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With properties of both wave, and particle. Which totally agrees with me.

Quote: "As far as I understand, what you think is that light is a sub atomic particle, that essentially gets pushed along by a completely separate wave that most certainly isn't light.
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Yes, and it pushes everything. Atoms, and is part of magnetism. It is all the forces. It is like a strobescope effect. Possibly recreating particles, rather than actually moving them, but we call that movement because that is what we see. It is more like a wave of creation.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2006 00:54
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Actually Jeku, it is conter productive. You hang in a little zone of theorys that you accept as true, even if some may be false. And you don't want to change a lot of them, mabey only tweek some of them.

Anyone can make evidence for something, but if you can find a factor that is not included in the "perfect world" formuals of theirs, the whole thing is disproven. My was is actually a lot more cynical, given that you can do the simplest ideas to disprove a complex idea.

The fault with my way is with total Theory, the fault with your way... is the fact that the Mathematics is impricise. But as we come to understand the obserbable world around us better, we can disprove un-obserbable Ideas due to obserbable consequences.


And don't reply with some witty remark that has nothing to do with what I wrote. In fact, read what I wrote 5 times, and omit any area that does not follow the general flow. Mabey then you can understand what I am saying.
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You could only *say* that maths is imprisise. Do to the fact that is is the base for all of our modern theories, and has been around so long, I really doubt that 99.9999999% is wrong. Maybe Pi, do to all the different numbers for it that are out, but not much more

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Posted: 11th Feb 2006 11:27
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Quote: "And don't reply with some witty remark that has nothing to do with what I wrote. In fact, read what I wrote 5 times, and omit any area that does not follow the general flow. Mabey then you can understand what I am saying."


WTF are you talking about? Do you think you're really so intelligent that we all should read your posts 5 times? Some of us have lives. And BTW it only takes one read to see the stupidity in some of your posts.

And lay off my case already.


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One day you will all realise that time doesn't matter and we will never be able to travel through it. Why? Because it does not exist. Time is something man-kind invented so that we could try to travel through it. I mean really, who want to try and travel through something that doesn't exist?

Quote: "The constant is wrong. Think of it like this, on the subatomic level, electrons meet some resistance between transphers in the valence orbitals, so by flipping a switch, even if both wires are the exact same length (And the length needs to be exact by 1 pico meter), one electron will arrive before the other."


I too gave up on finding the relevance between this and the speed of light. Though the statement is correct. One electron will arrive before the other by exactly 1 milli-fuzz (too small amount of made up time to measure).

In any case, the speed of light is not constant for all light. It depends on the source of the light and what it travles through. Here is one of my favorite quotes from the web to prove it.

Quote: "Scientists have sent light signals at faster-than-light speeds over the distances of a few metres for the last two decades

If the speed of light is constant then how is it traveling faster? What if you sped the light up before entering the vacuum?

Here is an interesting website
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http://physics.about.com/cs/opticsexperiments/a/290903.htm

In any case, since they can now send electrical signals like over 4 times faster than the "speed" of light (and the electrons don't travle through time) ... who cares what the speed of light is.

Seriously though, I'm gonna have to go with Pincho's theory on this one.

Quote: "Pincho 1
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Hawkins 0
Rest of mankind 0"


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Posted: 13th Feb 2006 06:13
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Jeku, no, I think that you are so apt to not seeing what I am trying to say that repition may make it clearer. I said on many occasions, I have problems fully explaining something. This is true, and unless someone actually knows what I am talking about, then I can continue to talk normally.
Once again, you have found something I never said, never implied, and rather I don't see where you got it from.

LIT, As I said a thousand times, that was about the constant being wrong. not 2.99798 (I may have got that wrong) but it may be 2.9969
Now, if 1 electron is a mili-second short, you get an impricise measurment. Don't think of it as insignifigant, you are dealing with very big numbers here, for the best accuracy the Registers would be a mili-meter apart. (reduces a lot of possible interferance) and then time is extreamly important. Do you understand now?


USteve... I don't understand what you are trying to point at, but you really need to look broader. the mathimatics behind all our science IS imprecise, E=MC^2 has been "proven" under conditions that are best to prove it.
There was even a debate, not to long ago, if force was not ma^2, I don't remeber the results, but the issue was over a satillite moving impropperly (yes, they did emphise that it was most likely an mechanical issue). We have only set things to rounded estimates of what we obserb, but there is much more going on then our solid world physics.
What about the atomic world? Do our formulas include THAT? and the formulas that do, to what degree are they correct? How do we actually know what is right if we can not obserb it? This leads to impresision, and assumption.



All you really need to read.
Thus... the majority of "science" is really held together by a mass series of assumptions, if we start over with different assumptions, then we would NOT result in the same science, we would NOT disprove them, we would diverge from the scientific norm and find theorys that work with both the base assumptions and the obserbable world.

Yes, we do disprove old theorys, but at what rate? Who wants to be the first one to say "I think Newton was wrong" ? Go on, raise your hand. The fact is, we like our old theorys, and most people will not contradict them. Like the earth being the center of the universe... how long did we keep believing that, even while people keep saying that it is NOT. (And there is some skeptisim weither Gallilio was actually the first to discover that).
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Posted: 13th Feb 2006 06:19
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Quote: "I am just curious, besides the current CPU restrants, how impractical would it be to have real world algorithims generate the world. I mean, for instance, to have trees actually grow based on Location, Light Density, Ground Density, Water Density, Acidity of the Soil, Tempurature. And to have fire actually generated, instead of being a model or decal. To have real world interaction between the plr and objects, so you could literally light the place on fire and it would burn down as if it were actually real."

I think they did something similar to this in "Elder Scrolls IV: Oblvion", with their forest generation.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2006 06:41
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not really, I explained further on that what I want is a realtime world where every action is possible.

Tree swaying? General Physics.
Tree Burning? Man, thats cool.
Massive Forest Fires, with Thunder Storms accuratly fighting against it?
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Posted: 13th Feb 2006 06:43
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Possible. I could probably do that if I had 4gb ram, AMD 64 X2 4800+, Nvidia 7800 It is possible, but only if you want to spend the time on it. You could do that in pixels, or 2d, and it would probably be simpler than 3d

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Posted: 13th Feb 2006 08:03
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Quote: "Once again, you have found something I never said, never implied, and rather I don't see where you got it from."


Um, that was a direct quote from your post.


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Quote: "Quote: "Once again, you have found something I never said, never implied, and rather I don't see where you got it from."

Um, that was a direct quote from your post.
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Thats pretty funny if I may say so myself...

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Posted: 13th Feb 2006 11:18
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It's true, I saw the quote, too!


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wow, shun merranvo off this board why dont we. Carry on shunning him...

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Funny thing is--- for a sanity I check I even double-checked the first page of the thread to make absolute sure those were the words he had said.

But anyways, yeah, physics, math, CPUs, and stuff. What were we talking about again?


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How the molecule count of my butt is 4 somehow..

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Posted: 15th Feb 2006 14:44 Edited at: 15th Feb 2006 14:44
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Quote: "Now, if 1 electron is a mili-second short, you get an impricise measurment. Don't think of it as insignifigant, you are dealing with very big numbers here, for the best accuracy the Registers would be a mili-meter apart. (reduces a lot of possible interferance) and then time is extreamly important. Do you understand now?"


Read "Do you understand now?" as a punchline and suddenly this is a line from a rubbish sitcom.

I mean, really. I'm actually having a hard time believing they're writing this stuff with a straight face.

Ridiculous.

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Jeku... why can't you understand some very simple posts?

I never said anything to sudjest, and since I tell you that same line almost every post I make at you, you DID understand what I said, and just decided to make some whacked remark.
Quote: "so intelligent that we all should read your posts 5 times?"


And besides that, people who ignore all learn nothing. Most of my posts, you say that what I say is retarded, but you never actually give a single peice of counterdicting evidence. Never actually say anything really, just that my idea sucks because you don't like it.

Yes, you have said many irrelevant matters which didn't really pretain to the topic at hand. But the true subject in many of my posts have always been ignored. Instead you point out the flaws in the material surrounding my post... Like missusages of Techical Terminology. Sure, I would like to be corrected on that, but while correcting those, you ignore what the subject was.


Chris K. I am having a hard time believing that people are really so incompetant. Do I need to demonstrate with math how a single milisecond will count?
2.99789*10^8 = 1 meter * 3.33568e-9 (seconds)
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Posted: 17th Feb 2006 02:01 Edited at: 17th Feb 2006 02:01
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Okay, Merranvo, you win. Everything you say is immaculate and 100% correct, with supreme clarity and consice fact.

However, I still find it a bit odd that you say you didn't post something, when it's still listed under your name on the first page.

That being said, in your ultimate wisdom and knowledge I can only say that my eyes must be lying to me.

Have a coffee on me:


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Com'on people, lets settle this like grown men - rapier/dagger duel, first blood, in the forest at midnight.


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Quote: "Com'on people, lets settle this like grown men - rapier/dagger duel, first blood, in the forest at midnight."

woot! I call front row seats!

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