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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / DoA Beach Volleyball "bounce" effect help

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Merk
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Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone has ever found/made a tutorial how to do the (ahem) "bouncing" physics so common now in fighting games. Since bones can be manipulated like limbs, Im guessing the whole thing can be simplified by adding a few extra bones in the model skeleton where ever the effect is required and adding some constrained ragdoll code to control them (as opposed to some direct manipulation of the model using memblocks, this is just a noob guess though). I hope Im not regurgitating any previous requests for aide.

Thanks in advance,
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Oddmind
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the what? control the whats? Yes they use bones and another mechanism i forgot what its called. I wont mind looking into it for ya

Wait, are you talking about the volleyball or the boobs? Im actually confused.

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Grog Grueslayer
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Whatever you do please allow us to make our age 999999. In DOA the older you are the bouncier the boobs are... i'm going for that "dirty old man" title.


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it involves using bones but its a quite complex calculation and they have engines to do that.

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nice... a boob physics engine... i'm sure it's alot simpler than that

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Undercover Steve
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actually it isnt... they have a licensable boob physics engine, and they hire programmers *just* to make those things jiggle.

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it would be easy to make an animation for it I guess, but realtime calcs would be real difficult.

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and they wonder why parent's complain about games. as for how to do it, just stick with bone animation for now, unless you try some sort of coding like that cloth physics stuff that was released a while ago, i'd assume there is some sort of similar mesh deformation in it. i mean they are just bags of sand... (40yr old virgin reference)

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Heh, bags of sand. Actually I was thinking there may be other uses for it too. Anyone remember that old boxing game (um, I think it was called Ready 2 Rumble) where those whacky obese characters had a full body jiggle? Well I'm sure in that day and age of gaming they probably did just use animation sequences. I'll keep searching the net for anything that may be remotely useful. I know there have been more than a few attempts at ragdoll in the dbp community, and if I wasn't half a world away from my pc I'd probably be trying out something like wallabers newton ragdolls. Ahh, it sucks not having a laptop. Again, any tips or help (or hacked doa source code ) would be much appreciated and thank you for the replies.
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Ack, ok someone has tried this but no source or tutorial:
http://panoramix.ift.uni.wroc.pl/~maq/eng/cloths.php
Minors beware (at the very least of poor texture mapping)
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Gack! I've seen better boobs on my dog!


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They used weighted vertices and I'm not sure DBPro can do those yet.
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no DBPro cant handle weighted vertices im pretty certain. And im getting a mySQL error... not that thats abnormal or anything but i cant view the page >_<

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What is this forum coming to. People are actually discussing how to replicate bouncy breasts in a game seriously.

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Probably because we're tired of player models that look like they're stiff. We want characters that move realisticly, if that means given the females a little jiggle then so be it. We're not perverts we just want more beleivable models.
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Quote: "People are actually discussing how to replicate bouncy breasts in a game"
you say it like its a bad thing

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DBPro can handle weighted vertices, I've done it before. Unless they took that out in versions since then...
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someone make a boobies.dll and sell it for darkbasic pro.

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Quote: "someone make a boobies.dll and sell it for darkbasic pro."


I concur.

I think its time I go hit the phyiscs books and read up on springs, at least to get the right motion for the bones in the model as they rotate towards their set angle limit (thinks back to how easy it was to use the karma physics system in the unreal engine). In my mind the main issue seems to be getting the direction and force behind the movement of the character (I guess I could make life easy and say the character's vector) to transfer to the required bones in the model's rig. For some reason I get the feeling its a different situation to a normal ragdoll, since it's an isolated portion of the model we're considering. Hmm, I'm ranting. Ok, back to searching!
Thanks again,
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Proper boob bounce research will open the door to double chin wiggle, beer belly bounce, and butt bounce too.


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cool!

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