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http://www.borland.com/media/en/edm/delphi_demo/index.html

I'm drooling right now wishing I had enough money to buy Delphi 2006. But this little demo should show all you Visual Studio guys why it is that Delphi is so RAD. Plus with this version, you can build applications in Delphi, Delphi.net C++ builder, or C# builder.

I'm just hoping that we'll see something like a personal version of Delphi 2006, but I'm almost ready to just spend the money and buy it. Have any of you Delphi guys around here (empty) had a chance to use this version yet? According to other newsgroups, it's the sweetest and most stable version of Delphi released.

from what i can see in the video you can do all of that in VS2005.
and their form designer isn't really even WYSIWYG, it has little icons representing what will be there. VS, it actually draws what the window will look like when you first run your program.

i'm sorry to tear it down, but i really think that VS is a better IDE But, people have different opinions

I have been tinkering with VS 2005, and I like what I see.

i lost faith in delphi when they converted delphi 8 to .net. changed the style from the usual borland design to a copycat VS style design. still carry on using delphi 7 to this day.

@hyrichter

I have a demo, but haven't had the time to play a lot with it. From the first impression it seems to be rather nice, though. So I'm probably going to upgrade.


@Joel

LOL
Look closer. For many years Delphi's Form Designers have been more WYSIWYG than anything else. It took MS quite a while to catch up. The little icons you see represent non-visual components. Visual components look in the designer like they will in your app.


@lagmaster

Forget Delphi 8. That was the worst thing they ever did. Since Delphi 2005 you can choose between the undocked layout (which is even better than in Delphi 7 IMO) and the new layout.

Sorry, Joel, but I almost choked when I read that. Delphi has been WYSIWYG since version 1. I admit they should've showed more of how the form designer works, but take a look at the end of the video where they're showing off the form designer in C++ builder. I admit I haven't tried out VS2005 yet, but having used VS2003, and then having to use Delphi for a project at work converted me over.

One thing they don't mention is that with the professional edition and above you get the source code to the Delphi VCL (Visual Component Library) and the Run Time Library.(RTL) I'd like to see Microsoft do something like that.

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Tell us why borland delphi is so good or whatever, no need to compare to MS anything, unless you have deep seeded issues of course

I'll try my best, but what else is there to compare to besides MS? But here's a quick list off the top of my head. This is only relevant to Win32 development, not .net.

1. The compiler. It's extremely optimized, and the .exes you get from both Delphi and C++ builder are small, fast, and very optimized.

2. You can distribute your application as a single exe file with no need for dependencies as they are linked to the exe. If you wish, you can compile without including the dependencies, but there isn't much need to.

3. The amazing number of components that come with Delphi plus free 3rd party components. I haven't counted how many components I have in my Delphi setup, but I'd guess around 500-600 and they're all free with source code (mostly the JEDI components).

4. It's very easy to make DBP plugins with Delphi thanks to empty's tutorial about it.

5. This is more of a personal preference, but I like how the structure of the code is. For example, ALL your variable declarations for a function must be at the top of the function before the actual code. It may seem that Delphi is too strict at first with how strongly typed it is, but once you get used to it, you find it's a great advantage -- you know what's happening to your data and don't have to guess how it might be truncated or rounded.

6. It's very rare that a Delphi app will actually completely crash and exit. If an unhandled exception occurs, it tells you about it, but the program continues on.


I've actually only had about 6 months experience with Delphi, so I'm still pretty much a newbie to it, but everything I've tried doing has been so simple that it just makes application development fun instead of boring.

I'm not really trying to bash Microsft and Visual Studio. I've used both vb.net and c# and I still like the C# language, but Delphi just seems to fit me better for most things.

awesome, now thats what I'm talking about